Julien Blanc gets destroyed in CNN interview

Tiddlypeeps · 19-11-2014 06:48PM

TheBeardedLady wrote: »

That woman is clearly wearing make up though. Women don't look like that naturally. Do some women genuinely believe no one would notice unless they stood up close to her face? She looks great and maybe as close to natural as you can look with full make up on..but she's obviously wearing make up. I'd spot it immediately.
I genuinely don't understand how someone couldn't notice. Like when people were shocked when that photo was released of Katy Perry with no make up. Perhasps I'm projecting but I find it genuinely baffling that anyone wouldn't know.

Either way, if that's their intention, fair enough. I stand corrected.

You only "know" she is wearing make up because you were told so before hand. Lots of (very lucky) women look like that naturally. If your only reason for saying that looks unnatural is that "no woman could possibly look that good" then we'll have to agree to disagree.

Beside the point anyway, the main point was that it is in fact the goal of many people. You say you stand corrected but is that you saying you now think women wearing make up is deceitful or that you now think men trying to improve peoples perceptions of their personality is not deceitful?

J Mysterio · 19-11-2014 07:07PM

TheBeardedLady wrote: »

. Like when people were shocked when that photo was released of Katy Perry with no make up.

Wow. Just googled that... wow

TheBeardedLady · 19-11-2014 07:31PM

You only "know" she is wearing make up because you were told so before hand. Lots of (very lucky) women look like that naturally.

Nope. It's obvious.

If your only reason for saying that looks unnatural is that "no woman could possibly look that good" then we'll have to agree to disagree.

That's not my reason. I'm saying it because it's obvious.

I don't think deceit comes into it as deceit has a negative connoation. I don't believ there's any malice involved.

Littlekittylou · 19-11-2014 07:34PM

Minjor wrote: »

He's been denied a UK visa according to the BBC.

That's a bit extreme!

Littlekittylou · 19-11-2014 07:35PM

TheBeardedLady wrote: »

Nope. It's obvious.

That's not my reason. I'm saying it because it's obvious.

I don't think deceit comes into it as deceit has a negative connoation. I don't believ there's any malice involved.

For many men who go to the talk there is no malice involved. I think the whole reaction is a bit over the top.

bodice ripper · 19-11-2014 07:36PM

Tiddlypeeps wrote: »

You only "know" she is wearing make up because you were told so before hand. Lots of (very lucky) women look like that naturally. If your only reason for saying that looks unnatural is that "no woman could possibly look that good" then we'll have to agree to disagree.

Beside the point anyway, the main point was that it is in fact the goal of many people. You say you stand corrected but is that you saying you now think women wearing make up is deceitful or that you now think men trying to improve peoples perceptions of their personality is not deceitful?

women generally have pores...

seenitall · 19-11-2014 08:10PM

Tiddlypeeps wrote: »

You only "know" she is wearing make up because you were told so before hand. Lots of (very lucky) women look like that naturally. If your only reason for saying that looks unnatural is that "no woman could possibly look that good" then we'll have to agree to disagree.

Sorry, but the woman from your example is very obviously wearing make up. Just like boddice ripper says, the "no pores" and even skintone is a giveaway, and so is the difference in the colour of eyelashes (the upper set enhanced with mascara) or the slightly glossy lips... I can't believe that, for a make-up expert you are, you would think that the make up on that girl's face is not noticeable!

TheBeardedLady · 19-11-2014 09:29PM

Littlekittylou wrote: »

For many men who go to the talk there is no malice involved. I think the whole reaction is a bit over the top.

I never said there was. I never mentioned deceit or painted the guys who go to these things in a negative light. My beef is with the gurus. I don't think they're all bad but with an unregulated industry like this with no code of ethics, you don't know whose advice you're buying.Any fool can sell their wares on the internet.

Tiddlypeeps · 19-11-2014 10:10PM

seenitall wrote: »

Sorry, but the woman from your example is very obviously wearing make up. Just like boddice ripper says, the "no pores" and even skintone is a giveaway, and so is the difference in the colour of eyelashes (the upper set enhanced with mascara) or the slightly glossy lips... I can't believe that, for a make-up expert you are, you would think that the make up on that girl's face is not noticeable!

We'll have to agree to disagree so. I think any guy would be hard pressed to know she is wearing make up in a real life setting and not analyzing a photo. It would certainly be pretty unreasonable to call them stupid for not spotting it.

Also, passive aggressive much, I never claimed to be an expert, I would have though the word hobby would have pretty clearly pointed out not a professional.

seenitall · 19-11-2014 10:51PM

Tiddlypeeps wrote: »

Also, passive aggressive much, I never claimed to be an expert, I would have though the word hobby would have pretty clearly pointed out not a professional.

Apologies Tiddly, didn't mean to come across that way - as it happens I hate passive-aggressiveness!

Agreed to disagree so.

RDM_83 again · 19-11-2014 11:05PM

Couldn't it be both? like I would notice Eye and lip-make up (as a guy) but I probably wouldn't notice subtly applied skin make up, and also are you really up in someones face enough to see their pores anyway?

RDM_83 again · 19-11-2014 11:33PM

Wow the mods are quick on these threads now! Fairplay!
Is there a scorecard to see who gets the quickest time between re-reg regging and then being banned?

pq0n1ct4ve8zf5 · 20-11-2014 12:15AM

Julien Blanc is a prick and that's all that needs to be said about him.

As for PUA more generally...ugh. Speaking in generalisations obviously, but it's such a perfect example of the differences between men and women's minds that it nearly looks like a masterful satire on the whole thing. Men see a problem: I find it difficult to talk to women, I would like a relationship/sex/whatever the case may be and my lack of confidence and social skills is preventing this. They identify a systematic, specific solution or set of solutions in PUA and set about the thing very methodically and rationally. The irony of it is that the very things that make PUA appealing to men - the concrete, clear techniques, the removal of a lot of the element of chance to social encounters, thinking of it in terms of numbers, strategy etc., are the very things which make it so unappealing to many women. Maybe I'm being naive but I'd go so far as to say the vast majority of women, at least over the age of about 20 or so when you get enough sense to pick up (ha!) on it.

If someone approaches me and tries some contrived pick up it doesn't matter if it's something like negging or if they've brought a deck of cards to the pub to do card tricks as an icebreaker or if they just open with some "intriguing" line like I bet you can't spell my name or whatever the hell. It's an instant turn off. It doesn't communicate to me that this person is confident, or fun, or anything like that. It tells me that they find me so intimidating (I'm really quite nice, honest) and so completely Other that they need an actual playbook for a perfectly normal social interaction with me. Interacting with people like that is exhausting. I haven't tabled this topic at the weekly women meeting so we don't yet have a party line on it, but I doubt I'm alone in feeling that way.

I do feel sorry for shy, lonely lads who get sucked into it, because they're going to either crash and burn, end up with some woman with even lower self-esteem than they have, or some woman who pegs how vulnerable they are and completely manipulates them.

DoYouEvenLift · 20-11-2014 01:45AM

On the makeup thing, how acceptable do you think it would be to take women swimming for first dates? If they weren't putting their heads underwater to wash off whatever makeup they've on ya could easily do an auld shnakey dunk and play it off as a joke...when in reality, y'know, you're trying to see if she's an ogre in disguise

Littlekittylou · 20-11-2014 02:59AM

DoYouEvenLift wrote: »

On the makeup thing, how acceptable do you think it would be to take women swimming for first dates? If they weren't putting their heads underwater to wash off whatever makeup they've on ya could easily do an auld shnakey dunk and play it off as a joke...when in reality, y'know, you're trying to see if she's an ogre in disguise

I would think that was an AWESOME FIRST DATE!

Strategic (exchange) relationships are fragile and easily break down when there is any level of disagreement. Emotionally intimate (communal) relationships are much more robust and can survive considerable (and even ongoing) disagreements. Emotional intimacy, particularly in sexual relationships, typically develops after a certain level of trust has been reached and personal bonds have been established. The emotional connection of "falling in love", however, has both a biochemical dimension, driven through reactions in the body stimulated by sexual attraction (PEA, phenylethylamine), and a social dimension driven by "talk" that follows from regular physical closeness or sexual union.

Swimming is a great idea for a first date. But the only thing is fate would make it that you get your freaking period! I just know that would happen!

Yes I would want him to see me all done up at some point. We all like to wow our guy sometimes but we also all of us both guys and gals need to feel accepted.

Not all guys who go to this stuff are bad at all they just need acceptance and intimacy.

DoYouEvenLift · 20-11-2014 03:32AM

Littlekittylou wrote: »

I would think that was an AWESOME FIRST DATE!

Strategic (exchange) relationships are fragile and easily break down when there is any level of disagreement. Emotionally intimate (communal) relationships are much more robust and can survive considerable (and even ongoing) disagreements. Emotional intimacy, particularly in sexual relationships, typically develops after a certain level of trust has been reached and personal bonds have been established. The emotional connection of "falling in love", however, has both a biochemical dimension, driven through reactions in the body stimulated by sexual attraction (PEA, phenylethylamine), and a social dimension driven by "talk" that follows from regular physical closeness or sexual union.

Swimming is a great idea for a first date. But the only thing is fate would make it that you get your freaking period! I just know that would happen!

Yes I would want him to see me all done up at some point. We all like to wow our guy sometimes but we also all of us both guys and gals need to feel accepted.

Not all guys who go to this stuff are bad at all they just need acceptance and intimacy.

It's a rewarding first date either way because even if the girl ended up looking nothing like she does/did with makeup, hey at least you had a nice relaxing swim.

Littlekittylou · 20-11-2014 03:34AM

DoYouEvenLift wrote: »

It's a rewarding first date either way because even if the girl ended up looking nothing like she does/did with makeup, hey at least you had a nice relaxing swim.

Exactly!

Littlekittylou · 20-11-2014 03:38AM

But being in close proximity with someone is really what it is mostly about. You have to be physically around a woman a long time ..much of which you are doing nothing. Don't talk think bleh bleh..just be ..Intimacy,

Macavity. · 20-11-2014 03:47AM

Laura Palmer wrote: »

It is quite cultish. If you've ever seen the film Magnolia: scientology enthusiast one Thomas Cruise plays (very convincingly) the role of an extremely sinister PUA "guru" ("Respect the cock, tame the c*nt!") :eek:

Great film. Cruise is in his element in that move, should have won an Oscar.

Foxtrol · 20-11-2014 05:21AM

Drew Obnoxious Backhand wrote: »

I do feel sorry for shy, lonely lads who get sucked into it, because they're going to either crash and burn, end up with some woman with even lower self-esteem than they have, or some woman who pegs how vulnerable they are and completely manipulates them.

I do feel sorry for self conscious, lonely women who get sucked into spending thousands of euro a year on make up and clothes that are all designed to hide what they really look like, because they're going end up with a guy who's either going to look at them the next morning and say 'wtf is beside me', end up with a guy with even lower self-esteem than them or some guy who pegs how vulnerable they are and completely manipulates them...

If I posted the above in a thread about women's image issues I'd have posters and mods lining up to burn me at the stake but when it's looking down on an issue effecting me its fair game.

Foxtrol · 20-11-2014 05:30AM

Yarf Yarf wrote: »

Yeah, comparing make-up application to PUA techniques is a little silly, to be honest. The difference between a woman wearing make-up and not wearing it is pretty obvious, even if the make-up is well-applied. Yes, women do go for a 'natural' look, but it's still fairly easy to tell the difference between a well made-up face and a truly natural look.

I've asked this earlier in the thread and never got an answer, but why is the comparison silly because it can be noticed that women are wearing makeup? PUA techniques can be just as obvious when you know what you're looking for. Some women wouldn't spot certain PUA techniques while some men wouldn't spot certain types of makeup. Just because you know makeup doesn't mean that every guy has the same knowledge as you.

Time and again posters are making statements about PUA techniques as if a woman couldn't possibly see through them, they really seem to think they're some mystical powers that make male/female relations unfair.

pq0n1ct4ve8zf5 · 20-11-2014 05:32AM

Foxtrol wrote: »

I do feel sorry for self conscious, lonely women who get sucked into spending thousands of euro a year on make up and clothes that are all designed to hide what they really look like, because they're going end up with a guy who's either going to look at them the next morning and say 'wtf is beside me', end up with a guy with even lower self-esteem than them or some guy who pegs how vulnerable they are and completely manipulates them...

If I posted the above in a thread about women's image issues I'd have posters and mods lining up to burn me at the stake but when it's looking down on an issue effecting me its fair game.

Jesus Christ man we all read you the first time, women wear make-up. Got it. Memo received.

women do not wear make-up EXCLUSIVELY to attract men. women like to look good for other women too. women are expected to maintain a certain standard of appearance (as are men) in a lot of careers. Men get into this PUA stuff EXCLUSIVELY to improve their chances with women, I've never seen it work and I'd say in the vast majority of cases it doesn't really, as in it doesn't end in a happy, healthy relationship. So I feel sorry for nice people who are motivated by loneliness who get sucked into it, and who are looking for a happy, healthy relationship. I'm not slagging men, and you way overreacted. I do (as it happens) feel slightly sorry for women who feel so defined by their appearance and have so little confidence that they get duped into spending crazy amounts of time on cosmetics or surgery or whatever, but I found that whole little diversion on this thread much less compelling than you apparently do, so I didn't bother including it in my reflections on my personal experiences of PUA.

Foxtrol · 20-11-2014 05:48AM

Drew Obnoxious Backhand wrote: »

Jesus Christ man we all read you the first time, women wear make-up. Got it. Memo received.

women do not wear make-up EXCLUSIVELY to attract men. women like to look good for other women too. women are expected to maintain a certain standard of appearance (as are men) in a lot of careers. Men get into this PUA stuff EXCLUSIVELY to improve their chances with women, I've never seen it work and I'd say in the vast majority of cases it doesn't really, as in it doesn't end in a happy, healthy relationship. So I feel sorry for nice people who are motivated by loneliness who get sucked into it, and who are looking for a happy, healthy relationship. I'm not slagging men, and you way overreacted. I do (as it happens) feel slightly sorry for women who feel so defined by their appearance and have so little confidence that they get duped into spending crazy amounts of time on cosmetics or surgery or whatever, but I found that whole little diversion on this thread much less compelling than you apparently do, so I didn't bother including it in my reflections on my personal experiences of PUA.

You say you get it but you still equate feeling sorry for guys who get sucked into PUA in general and then compare it to only the extreme of women altering their appearance, 'spending crazy amounts of time on cosmetics or surgery', and even at this point you only feel 'slightly sorry' for these women.

You seem to promote as a positive the fact that women try to alter their appearance constantly for both men and women, which to me is a much worrying underlying issue for them than a guy altering his approach to a woman for his initial contact with them.

I frankly think it's time for some of these outraged posters to look in the mirror about how they alter themselves before quickly judging others.

TheBeardedLady · 20-11-2014 07:44AM

Foxtrol wrote: »

I've asked this earlier in the thread and never got an answer, but why is the comparison silly because it can be noticed that women are wearing makeup? PUA techniques can be just as obvious when you know what you're looking for. Some women wouldn't spot certain PUA techniques while some men wouldn't spot certain types of makeup. Just because you know makeup doesn't mean that every guy has the same knowledge as you.

Time and again posters are making statements about PUA techniques as if a woman couldn't possibly see through them, they really seem to think they're some mystical powers that make male/female relations unfair.

What percentage of women do you think wear make up on a typical night out in Ireland, Foxtrol?

TheBeardedLady · 20-11-2014 08:08AM

Foxtrol wrote: »

I frankly think it's time for some of these outraged posters to look in the mirror about how they alter themselves before quickly judging others.

Are people outraged though? I'm not. When people criticise something, it doesn't mean they're outraged.

The_Captain · 20-11-2014 11:57AM

This week I've learned that some men really do not like being criticised by women

Mr E · 20-11-2014 12:19PM

Reminder: Don't engage with posters in this thread who have a very low post count - it's a rereg troll who can't take a hint. You're wasting your energy and your posts may be deleted.

DoYouEvenLift · 20-11-2014 12:24PM

Mr E wrote: »

Reminder: Don't engage with posters in this thread who have a very low post count - it's a rereg troll who can't take a hint. You're wasting your energy and your posts may be deleted.

Can't see post counts on mobile

Foxtrol · 20-11-2014 03:26PM

TheBeardedLady wrote: »

Are people outraged though? I'm not. When people criticise something, it doesn't mean they're outraged.

Trying to get a guy banned from a country or being happy that he is seems pretty outraged.

Yarf Yarf · 20-11-2014 03:40PM

Drew Obnoxious Backhand wrote: »

Jesus Christ man we all read you the first time, women wear make-up. Got it. Memo received.

women do not wear make-up EXCLUSIVELY to attract men. women like to look good for other women too. women are expected to maintain a certain standard of appearance (as are men) in a lot of careers. Men get into this PUA stuff EXCLUSIVELY to improve their chances with women, I've never seen it work and I'd say in the vast majority of cases it doesn't really, as in it doesn't end in a happy, healthy relationship. So I feel sorry for nice people who are motivated by loneliness who get sucked into it, and who are looking for a happy, healthy relationship. I'm not slagging men, and you way overreacted. I do (as it happens) feel slightly sorry for women who feel so defined by their appearance and have so little confidence that they get duped into spending crazy amounts of time on cosmetics or surgery or whatever, but I found that whole little diversion on this thread much less compelling than you apparently do, so I didn't bother including it in my reflections on my personal experiences of PUA.

Yeah, I'm not sure how many men actually realize that women dressing up and putting on make up isn't something they do to impress men and to partake in some kind of 'false advertising' to dupe men into sleeping with them. Many women dress up for themselves and for each other more than anything. I've gotten more dolled up with my female friends than I ever have for any man. Believe it or not, women don't just exist for men.

PUA on the other hand is exclusively intended to attract women and often in pretty manipulative ways. It's a bull**** practice, honestly. It makes fools of both the women targeted by it and the men who fall for the charlatans making money off it.

Julien Blanc gets destroyed in CNN interview

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