Julien Blanc gets destroyed in CNN interview

Foxtrol

The_Captain wrote: »

This week I've learned that some men really do not like being criticised by women

I don't mind criticism, my issue is how the criticism of the actions of one man is being twisted by some posters to tar a large group of other men as being the same, with these posts being uneducated and total hypocritical not helping either.

This is quite ironic after the threads over the last few weeks complaining about sweeping statements about groups of women thinking/acting the same way due to the actions of a few.

Foxtrol

TheBeardedLady wrote: »

What percentage of women do you think wear make up on a typical night out in Ireland, Foxtrol?

Near 100%.

How many men alter their personality to some degree when talking to women on a night out? Near 100%.

Foxtrol

Yarf Yarf wrote: »

Yeah, I'm not sure how many men actually realize that women dressing up and putting on make up isn't something they do to impress men and to partake in some kind of 'false advertising' to dupe men into sleeping with them. Many women dress up for themselves and for each other more than anything. I've gotten more dolled up with my female friends than I ever have for any man. Believe it or not, women don't just exist for men.

PUA on the other hand is exclusively intended to attract women and often in pretty manipulative ways. It's a bull**** practice, honestly. It makes fools of both the women targeted by it and the men who fall for the charlatans making money off it.

The poster you quoted hasn't responded to my reply to this, so maybe you can seeing as you agree so much with her:

Which is more healthy, feeling the need to continuously alter yourself to the whole world or feeling the need to alter yourself for a few minutes of initial contact with someone?

Do women act 100% truthful to their personality when they initially meet a guy? Maybe google 'how to flirt with a guy' or 'how to get a guy' and see how many articles and youtube videos there are before responding.

Potatoeman

Yarf Yarf wrote: »

Yeah, I'm not sure how many men actually realize that women dressing up and putting on make up isn't something they do to impress men and to partake in some kind of 'false advertising' to dupe men into sleeping with them. Many women dress up for themselves and for each other more than anything. I've gotten more dolled up with my female friends than I ever have for any man. Believe it or not, women don't just exist for men.

PUA on the other hand is exclusively intended to attract women and often in pretty manipulative ways. It's a bull**** practice, honestly. It makes fools of both the women targeted by it and the men who fall for the charlatans making money off it.

Do you put the same effort in when they drop over to your house?

Im sure there are many reasons to do it but its making yourself more desirable to the opposite sex either to impress your friends and increase your social standing or simply getting attention is very much about the opposite sex. You might be not be looking for contact but it is looking for attention or validation.

Its Only Ray Parlour

Yarf Yarf wrote: »

Yeah, I'm not sure how many men actually realize that women dressing up and putting on make up isn't something they do to impress men and to partake in some kind of 'false advertising' to dupe men into sleeping with them. Many women dress up for themselves and for each other more than anything. I've gotten more dolled up with my female friends than I ever have for any man. Believe it or not, women don't just exist for men.

PUA on the other hand is exclusively intended to attract women and often in pretty manipulative ways. It's a bull**** practice, honestly. It makes fools of both the women targeted by it and the men who fall for the charlatans making money off it.

If a single woman is stuffing her bra or wearing a Wonderbra in a nightclub, chances are, she doing to to pull men - this is much worse than pickup artists. At least pickup artists gain confidence that may be permanent, but when those women bring men home, those bras have to come off and the truth will be revealed.

I agree women wearing makeup isn't just solely for attracting men, having horrible acne can lead to bullying and low self-esteem - I had acne when I was going through puberty and it's horrible.

You're also generalising all pickup artists to be like Julien Blanc. There are different techniques and not all of them involve sexual abuse and degrading women.

seenitall

Foxtrol wrote: »

Trying to get a guy banned from a country or being happy that he is seems pretty outraged.

Oooops... a tiny mask-slipping moment there Foxtrol... morto for you

Foxtrol

seenitall wrote: »

Oooops... a tiny mask-slipping moment there Foxtrol... morto for you

What?

wes

Its Only Ray Parlour wrote: »

You're also generalising all pickup artists to be like Julien Blanc. There are different techniques and not all of them involve sexual abuse and degrading women.

Any examples? Honest question here, I am not saying there not all like Julien Blanc (i doubt to many people are stupid enough to out and out advocate assault), but a lot of other PUA stuff I have seen is deplorable in there own right, and I have yet to see any stuff that isn't degrading and just awful to Women.

Foxtrol

wes wrote: »

Any examples? Honest question here, I am not saying there not all like Julien Blanc (i doubt to many people are stupid enough to out and out advocate assault), but a lot of other PUA stuff I have seen is deplorable in there own right, and I have yet to see any stuff that isn't degrading and just awful to Women.

Can you give examples of 'a lot of other PUA stuff' that you find so deplorable? What's so degrading and awful about them?

wes

Foxtrol wrote: »

Can you give examples of 'a lot of other PUA stuff' that you find so deplorable? What's so degrading and awful about them?

Really? Negging for example off the top of my head, which from every single PUA source that I have seen, is a major component.

Julien Blanc that we are discussing in this thread.

If you want to defend PUA, btw it would be far better to point out the good PUA sources, that doesn't resort to negging and other such nonsense. I asked a question, and I know not to yourself, and instead of providing an answer, you instead ask what I find deplorable, which leads me to believe that I was indeed correct in the first instance.

Yarf Yarf

Potatoeman wrote: »

Do you put the same effort in when they drop over to your house?

Im sure there are many reasons to do it but its making yourself more desirable to the opposite sex either to impress your friends and increase your social standing or simply getting attention is very much about the opposite sex. You might be not be looking for contact but it is looking for attention or validation.

I think I'd know myself, to be honest, and it is very much about other women and less to do with men.

Yarf Yarf

Its Only Ray Parlour wrote: »

If a single woman is stuffing her bra or wearing a Wonderbra in a nightclub, chances are, she doing to to pull men - this is much worse than pickup artists. At least pickup artists gain confidence that may be permanent, but when those women bring men home, those bras have to come off and the truth will be revealed.

I agree women wearing makeup isn't just solely for attracting men, having horrible acne can lead to bullying and low self-esteem - I had acne when I was going through puberty and it's horrible.

You're also generalising all pickup artists to be like Julien Blanc. There are different techniques and not all of them involve sexual abuse and degrading women.

:rolleyes:

TheBeardedLady

Foxtrol wrote: »

Trying to get a guy banned from a country or being happy that he is seems pretty outraged.

Wait, I thought you were talking about people being outraged about PUA, not that prick.




I really think people on Boards need to look up the word, "outraged".

TheBeardedLady

Near 100%.

Yep. I agree. So when you say "make up is very hard to see in a club" then it doesn't really matter; you can safely assume she is wearing at least some. For the most part, it's not something women are trying to hide from men (although now I acknowledge some are).

How many men alter their personality to some degree when talking to women on a night out? Near 100%.

And how many women are aware of this? I'd say close to 100%


How many men are using PUA techniques in a club? No idea. A woman finding out would be disastrous for the man in question. For it to work, it can't be revealed. That's the whole basis of it - for a woman to believe this is how the guy is naturally and not just tricks he learned off the net.

Again, I've no problem with the harmless openers men use but tbh, the fact that it's so calculated would be a turn off for me and for virtually all women, I'd say. Hence why it has to be kept a secret.

bodice ripper

I'd be of the opinion that make up is more for the benefit of other women than it is for men.

Pretending that you think people are outraged in a temper-flaring, foot-stamping and flared-nostril stereotypical way, is a way of painting them as unreasonable and overreacting. Its a tactic to put them on the defensive.

I'm not outraged at PUA or Mr Blanc. I simply think PUA is creepy and that Mr Blanc is a creep of the highest order. And I just go about my life, not outraged at anyone.

It's right up there with calling someone hysterical as a means of making them look over the top and easily offended.

tritium

TheBeardedLady wrote: »

How many men are using PUA techniques in a club? No idea. A woman finding out would be disastrous for the man in question. For it to work, it can't be revealed. That's the whole basis of it - for a woman to believe this is how the guy is naturally and not just tricks he learned off the net.

Actually I disagree here. If they're using stuff from PUA to get the confidence to approach someone or to have a few conversation openers I don't think anyone could know or would care. Hell of a gulf between that and wingmen, negging, etc. Hell of a gulf again to a douche like Julien Blanc

Potatoeman

Yarf Yarf wrote: »

I think I'd know myself, to be honest, and it is very much about other women and less to do with men.

Its dependant on male attention. The dressing up is designed to attract male attention and increase social status within the group. Its a sort of ingrained social behaviour the you may not even be aware of.

Again, do you dress up when they come over to your house?

bodice ripper

Potatoeman wrote: »

Its dependant on male attention. The dressing up is designed to attract male attention and increase social status within the group. Its a sort of ingrained social behaviour the you may not even be aware of.

Again, do you dress up when they come over to your house?

but you worked it out, yeah?

Foxtrol

TheBeardedLady wrote: »

Wait, I thought you were talking about people being outraged about PUA, not that prick.

I really think people on Boards need to look up the word, "outraged".

There's outrage at him and then they lump all PUA together with him. They're the posters I'm talking about.

If posters want to accept that what he does and the large majority of PUA techniques are very different then I can withdraw the outrage comment.

tiny_penguin

Potatoeman wrote: »

Its dependant on male attention. The dressing up is designed to attract male attention and increase social status within the group. Its a sort of ingrained social behaviour the you may not even be aware of.

Again, do you dress up when they come over to your house?

Sometimes I do my hair and make up just to sit at home on my own to feel good about myself - mostly when my partner is out of the house or away. Who's attention am I looking for then?

I sometimes wear make up when the girls come over for a night in and sometimes they can show up and im in my pj's lounging around. Depends on my mood.

I often venture out without a stitch of make up, sometimes with the 'natural' look and sometimes with a fair amount on. Where I am going and who I am meeting is largely irrelevant though am slightly more likely to wear more make up going to a restaurant/bar but again will happily go without. I wear make up and dress up totally dependent on my mood. I do it either to make myself feel good or just because I like playing around with the stuff.

People wear make up for a variety of different reasons and not just to present a certain idea of themselves to men

TheBeardedLady

tritium wrote: »

Actually I disagree here. If they're using stuff from PUA to get the confidence to approach someone or to have a few conversation openers I don't think anyone could know or would care. Hell of a gulf between that and wingmen, negging, etc. Hell of a gulf again to a douche like Julien Blanc

I disagree. I believe many women would be turned off if they knew. Not to say the guy is at fault and yes, we all put our
best foot forward when on the pull but I don't think any woman would be attracted to something so contrived if she found out. Spontaneity and unpredictability is half of the fun of flirtation.

I suppose the more well known it becomes, the less effective it'll be.















best foot forward when on the pull but

TheBeardedLady

Foxtrol wrote: »

There's outrage at him and then they lump all PUA together with him. They're the posters I'm talking about.

If posters want to accept that what he does and the large majority of PUA techniques are very different then I can withdraw the outrage comment.

If you believe people are punching holes in the walls and going all red in the face with outrage, go right ahead.

TheBeardedLady

Potatoeman wrote: »

Its dependant on male attention. The dressing up is designed to attract male attention and increase social status within the group. Its a sort of ingrained social behaviour the you may not even be aware of.

Again, do you dress up when they come over to your house?

Hahaha! You have us sussed!

Foxtrol

TheBeardedLady wrote: »

Yep. I agree. So when you say "make up is very hard to see in a club" then it doesn't really matter; you can safely assume she is wearing at least some. For the most part, it's not something women are trying to hide from men (although now I acknowledge some are).

And how many women are aware of this? I'd say close to 100%

How many men are using PUA techniques in a club? No idea. A woman finding out would be disastrous for the man in question. For it to work, it can't be revealed. That's the whole basis of it - for a woman to believe this is how the guy is naturally and not just tricks he learned off the net.

Again, I've no problem with the harmless openers men use but tbh, the fact that it's so calculated would be a turn off for me and for virtually all women, I'd say. Hence why it has to be kept a secret.

I can use the exact same argument to you.

How much makeup is a given girl wearing in a club? No idea. Guys know women are probably some but they have no idea whether the girl they're talking to has spent 4 hours getting herself ready, using dozens of products or has put a little bit on and took twenty minutes. A guy might think she's slightly improved herself, not that she looks like a whole different person without it.

These women who spend hours on their opinion would be the just as calculating, getting themselves up early to do themselves up before the guy wakes up, getting up ridiculously every morning to go to work, post their no makeup selfies clearly with a filter, beneficial lighting and even wearing subtle makeup.

Foxtrol

TheBeardedLady wrote: »

If you believe people are punching holes in the walls and going all red in the face with outrage, go right ahead.

I've just looked up outrage there and I dont see anywhere that defines it as people going red faced and punching holes in walls.

It's described as an extremely strong reaction of anger, shock, or indignation. Hoping a guy doesn't get a visa to a country to me is an extremely strong reaction to something. If it's not to you then we can agree to disagree.

TheBeardedLady

I can't quote your post but you've basically done a full circle and compared extreme cases of make up application and preening with PUA.





I'm off to punch some walls in with indignation. Ciao!

Potatoeman

bodice ripper wrote: »

but you worked it out, yeah?

I'm casually interested in phycology, social interactions and body language. It can be very interesting to watch for once you recognise some of the social tics people have.

Foxtrol

wes wrote: »

Really? Negging for example off the top of my head, which from every single PUA source that I have seen, is a major component.

So negging is all you have? After seeing 'a lot of other PUA stuff' that was 'degrading', 'deplorable', and 'awful to women', you've posted the only other debatably negative technique that is widely known and mentioned several times on this thread. Looks to me that someone has done little to no research themselves and has instead just regurgitation what they've heard from others.

I don't actually believe in a lot of cases that negging is any of those things you listed and it's something that many women (especially in the case of Irish women) do a lot. Many times I've been chatting to women and they'll playfully make fun of something I say, do, wearing. Many Irish people would call it friendly banter.

Julien Blanc that we are discussing in this thread.

If you want to defend PUA, btw it would be far better to point out the good PUA sources, that doesn't resort to negging and other such nonsense. I asked a question, and I know not to yourself, and instead of providing an answer, you instead ask what I find deplorable, which leads me to believe that I was indeed correct in the first instance.

I'm simply asking you to justify your statement. Am I not allowed to do that and must take it onboard without providing any examples for the many PUA techniques that you find deplorable?

I'm not here to defend all PUA, I'm simply asking posters to justify why they feel so strongly against it, when they seemingly have very little to back up their opinion, and then why it's not hypocritical to denounce a group of people altering their personalities when they themselves are constantly altering their appearance.

bodice ripper

Potatoeman wrote: »

I'm casually interested in phycology, social interactions and body language. It can be very interesting to watch for once you recognise some of the social tics people have.

telling people you have never met that you understand their own behaviour/mindset better than they do is pretty arrogant, don't you think?