Cork GAA Discussion Thread

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

Good counsel beat athenry 2-17 to 1-17in the schools semi final . In the all ireland semi u16 to play midelton in the all ireland final but are a very good team, but won against 14 men in which  hickey athenry left half back was sent off after 15 minutes
Quite surprisingly to see good few cork men in crowd,just shows if hurling game on that's good cork will watch it,cork hurling fans always like a good school game and midelton playing them next added to the interest you would think



Huge bonus to good counsel the sending off influence became in Evan Niland clarinbridge at just 15,a Galway minor panelists this year certain be this year if not starting imo, he got 1-12 in scores, bout one six from play but the sending off allowed him be double marked in which Cathal o connor at corner back played the sweeper role outstanding well for good counsel.

From being behind 1-5 to just one point prior to the sending off, the dynamic of the game changed hugely as you would naturally and realistically expect after that as such that both sides were level at half time one nine a piece
They did get a man sent off themselves with around six minutes to go but they already had a four point lead at that stage.

Also they beat a Galway side with two u14 lad's one at centre back, one as a forward with a few u14 on the panel so it was a very young team they beat but majority athenry were made up of clarinbridge players who are strong in Galway underage.

Conor walsh athenry gave a brilliant display at centre back would prove if your good enough you can play at a young age at dean ryan and imo aron walsh Barry for midelton I would be considering as a sub if needs be the next day as captain of rice winners this year he is a brilliant player and could do a job if required.

So while good counsel were very good in which 8 different players scored from play which shows their strengths, they certainly can be beaten and two kilkenny players in particular will certainly to need be watched in which they are major influences for their team.

Midelton Must get at least five crucial match ups corrrect imo, that they can win it but they will have to be have on the top of their game as this is a well coached very good team under Declan wall and paduric Cullen and this management made numerous positions in mid game that helped them also which shows they can read and adapt crucially to a game in flow imo

The final Is in two weeks likely in Waterford, Id guess dungarvan etc very likely a Waterford venue I'd imagine given the geographical location of both teams but then again you cant be sure as ard scoil v midelton was in Cashel last year

They have a Panel of 34, they are very strong,they won the football last year u16 all ireland and Their injured captain may be back so there formidable opponent most definitely but at same time not unbeatable.
This game was moved from templemore and played on astro turf so it facilitated a high scoring fast flowing game as unlike grass their was naturally no water logging

The shame for both teams in the final is its unlikely that they will play astro turf again its likely to be on grass Which means if there is heavy rain then it will affect ground conditions.

Imo this being a final this game should be played in carrignore in wit where astro turf ptich all weather Is present.
Both teams deserve a surface that will do their hurling talents justice.

Good news regards dayne lee, a poster said he joined cork panel if true, it's welcome news but imo Sean Hayes must be added also and groomed for cork panel down the line as also a core of other promising youngsters won't have much games at u21 and it's down to jbm to bring them to senior and groom for two or three years and save the day as u 21 is unikely to do that imo

a city club are looking for a manager and are looking outside county apparently even imo they don't need to.
imo they shouldn't do what barrs done, for example yes they had the right idea with a long term plan but going up to kilkenny to seek guidance on creating such a long term plan Is fine but when plenty of their own men or cork men could have told them what they needed to do to correct their many wrongs imo it would have sufficed.
It's fine to go outside the county but you should avail of the scources within where at all possible.

The minor job imo in cork is huge concern if landers goes and I doubt very much some will be happy and imo rightly so he the leaving minors with one year left in the concerns over loosing momentum.


It leaves a massive void to fill.
I don't think he's loss to the set up can in the slightest bit be underestimated imo.
I'd be hugely worried for them and they have to have get the next appointment right for a replacement for landers if indeed he does go imo.

No one seems to know who is in the running for intermediate manager
Let's hope they get it right.
Minors, u21, seniors, and the intermediate teams could all have key coaches in 2015 with huge concerns imo in senior coach totally unproven at this level,21 likely set up no real proven success, the minor and intermediate if wrong appointments are made which leaves cork heavy reliant on college hurling to bail them out again and as proven as much as it hugely helped Cork it isn't enough, cork needs more structure to stand on, a table can't stand on legs, it needs support of all four legs for reliable sustainability ,cork are the same imo it needs all four, it needs the support of minor, senior, intermediate and u21 to
become a sustainable real force in cork hurling in the future again.



Eddie Gunning was injured and missing for a lot prepartion and while he was fit in the end he had missed large part of the preparation also in hallorans case who would you have dropped from the forwards that started.
It's important to remember cork were playing to a particularly system also.
Also it seems city lad's here are keeping one argument going but when it comes to others no consistency for example Alec luttrel would have been in strong contention but again had suffered foot injury so he misses key prepartion.
He's a real talent.
Nobody seems to thinks he got a raw deal, oh as he's not from the city.No mention. He didn't get a raw deal, was injured for a while.
Paul lepold also etc,many more included.


Simple fact is landers and Ring and martin a glen selector all had consistency in their selections all year long.


Five of lee, kinery, kingston, meade, casey had harty cup expierence so when it came to very close calls harty cup was going to get the edge plus casey and meade were trackers from a forward something halloran is not in that he is an out an out scoring forward line



And in Bourke and cian walsh case in the full back line both had been starting senior championship either intermediate or senior for club where the expierence at harty cup was yes missing they still filled that void to a degree ,but o brien had harty cup expierence with midelton cbs.



Yes if gunning was fully fit he would have made it with proper game time but based on that cian walsh, Bourke, o brien were better calls to start taking all in to consideration imo.

I'd have used gunning as a sub but at the same time David doolin senior glen this year like gunning at club had a fine game replacing o brien when he came on to be fair to him.Doolin had an outstanding year at corner for the glen so the selection justified great call by minors in they saw this lad had massive potential.

Kingston, kinery,lee, Sean Hayes were undroppable as forwards.
Meade is better at midfield but was in there to do a job in half forward in a tracking role and casey was in there to simply crowd midfield not play as a out forward and cork knew limerick were very strong in the middle third extremely strong in fact.

John Good didn't have great game and had be subbed after being a sub himself but he was there to do casey role in listed as a forward but not playing like the normal orthodox role, where as the majestic halloran is a pure forward but can't do that tracking role and cork had no choice but to set up with essentially four main scoring forwards as if they went in a shootout with limerick they would have lost so that's why halloran wasn't brought on for good imo and that's why john looney did come on next and had a great game.

Four real ace shooters we say in scoring wise say were kingston, lee, kinery, Hayes, three all had harty cup and were flying where's in halloran didn't have harty cup so in tight calls was likely loose out on that basis imo.

Also Hayes one of the four that did not  have harty cup expierence but he had played senior championship with avondu v ucc having a blinder something halloran at senior hadn't yet done.

Having played u21 parts this year at club and also munster with old christians while it's not harty cup he imo will be better position this year and will be automatic starter.
I don't believe it had anything to do with bias against city clubs last year in any call.
No one can prove that conclusively if so list clear clear I mean clear examples.
It will be rather difficult as Imo they are simply No examples of such bias with this year minors selection imo.
What I found truly amazing, was a cork did question why one cork minor didn't get a game when they felt he could have where as the U21 management were not questioned once despite an appalling shambolic defeat to clare and like wise under ger Fitzgerald he had this immunity from criticism despite woeful team selections and appalling tactics and organisation of teams in hes four years as manager Just winning around two games against top counties which was a truly truly dismal statistic for cork u21 hurling.
You wan to see club favouritism look no further than 2011 munster u21 final, Seamus harnedy on the bench, in 80 minutes couldn't get a second of game time, but midelton haughney was a from the same club as ger, worse still lehane who was clearly not fully right for this game was taken off, correct call but then readded again and haughney was appalling overlooked when he could have been a replacement twice and he was well on the radar at that stage as even Denis walsh had him in cork development trial gam v lit in cork in which he was outstanding against davy fitzgerald lit and on cork intermediate scene also.
People say harnedy developed late as an excuse he didn't play , yes he did but at the same time he had more than enough talent to start for cork u21 team at least as a sub in a game crying out for physical toughness in he's hurling and games would have developed him.

Ring has imperious record in the game, just look at Fermoy, countless other club success, Colmans, cork minors in past yet some have the need to mention he does calls against city in close calls. I can go through every club or team he coached or school if anybody wants me to.
Complete rubbish imo,even hint club bias.



No body questioned calls previous minor set up, Sean Hayes should of started for cork minors last year,overlooked but for ring and landers he wouldn't got a game.




This year Kingston, lee, Hayes had brilliant games so justified selection, kinery is better half forward yes but I though he had a good game against paddy loughlin and it was a close decision you make arguments for both.
Wasn't Imo clear cut raw deals

So raw deal assessment is way way way off the mark,,and if some actually study it realistically and closely you will find in these calls were very close and like the gunning case the calls were close calls based on real judgement influenced by circumstances in case of injury etc than any raw deals perception of the matter matter makes out to actually What happened imo.
Raw s deals such utter utter complete nonense in all fairness and anybody barks that tree clearly imo hasn't any idea what there talking about with the greatest of respect.



Just to say this in advance the team next year will have many close calls imo based on competition there so once it's same management you can categorically imo rule out any club bias but don't you know it will cause some critsim here which is fine but leave club bias nonense out of it as ring doesn't do such rubbish imo.



Go through every team Denis ring ever coached cork or Colmans and there was no club bias at all at all in fact ring gives lad's clubs chance wouldn't get a sniff under previous reigns despite talent justifying they get game time.

Landers like wise imo hasn't done club bias in u17 or u16 squads he was involved in which they were all very successful with the u16 in 2012 going down by two points to all ireland champions limerick at that grade with the bulk of that team involved in this year year minors with limerick.


In relation to the club scene
What you would hope to see done today is every cork management set up go knowlan park and watch intensity the senior finals and physicality and compare it to the shambles in cork club scene today



Ballincollig imo have great chance to beat Austin stacks I'd think they can win it and I will go for them
If there beaten it won't be like sarsfields in the hurling in its their ist time in this munster in kerry notorious hard win games football but jenninags, Miskella, Kelly, kiely they have warrior to do it with Galvin also and donoughue.
Big game for George durrant, in lot cork people feel is a prospect for cork, I dont, today is the chance to prove otherwise in good simply won't do,he must imo have a brilliant game to be considered better than o rourke, collins, Kelly,Brian o driscoll, possibly James loughrey in half forward tracker back role.
I don't rate colm o driscoll much as a player but id have him over durrant.
Durrant had one good season but the hype machine has gone way in to over drive just as he is kerry.
A fine club player but lot more to do to show he's better than what we currently have.



Who marks donaghy
I'd worry bout jennings on him, I'd have donoughue drop back on him with jennimgs to centre back and with Kelly dropping back deep to launch counter attacks donoughue loss at six is negated, as in its simple donaghy must be Marked

Also I'd have golden rule in don't over commit on him, stand off him if needs be but swarm him when In possession, in don't let him shoot as unlike kerry forwards I don't believe rest this full forward line are anything really Unmarkable

Ballincollig need to believe they can win it and not be beaten before a ball is kicked
Good management do that and so far management have done all asked of them.

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

Look lad i had this before just cause I blow some rubbish out as rubbish my style writing is attacked

Thank full you don't speak for forum here and majority posters here I would take a guess and appreciate my insights, most what I say is fact when do give opinion I back it up but your goodself is real real wonderful in some fan to give opinion fair enough but that's all you seen to do, no great insight in to matches, or reports etc


Now if you can do better sir by all means work away. Cheers


You can stick point debate points clear made in my post by all means do so regards this city bias but you won't be able to sir simply as myself and other poster showed your perception yes an opinion fair enough is actually way way way off the mark