ALL THINGS IRISH WATER/WATER RELATED Part 2 - MOD WARNING IN OP

phater phagan · 17-11-2014 07:34PM

I do not want to pay for water in any way

There is no doubt that the vast majority of water protesters are law abiding and decent - unfortunately the behaviour of those toward the minister in Jobtown has damaged the anti-water campaign. I listened to TD Murphy, Joe Higgins ( whom I normally admire) on the radio trying to justify the protest in Tallaght, and it just didn't wash. We are better than that in Ireland.

Augmerson · 17-11-2014 07:36PM

http://www.broadsheet.ie/2014/11/17/who-threw-that/

Apparently the famous picture of a protester throwing a brick at a Gardai car is actually an undercover Guard ^

RayM · 17-11-2014 07:36PM

I do not want to pay for water in any way

I don't understand why people seem so horrified by the throwing of a water balloon. Even Joe Higgins described it as 'deplorable'. Brendan Ogle was on the 6-1 News just now, and he condemned it too. I don't remember such a fuss being made when Michael Noonan was hit by a custard pie in 2002. He (and the media) laughed it off. To me, water balloons seem like the ideal way of harmlessly dealing with pro-water-tax politicians.

If throwing water balloons constitutes 'violence', then my childhood summers were pretty brutal.

tayto lover · 17-11-2014 07:38PM

phater phagan wrote: »

There is no doubt that the vast majority of water protesters are law abiding and decent - unfortunately the behaviour of those toward the minister in Jobtown has damaged the anti-water campaign. I listened to TD Murphy, Joe Higgins ( whom I normally admire) on the radio trying to justify the protest in Tallaght, and it just didn't wash. We are better than that in Ireland.

It's great to see so many women of all ages and so many senior citizens on the protests. People know that all the austerity being dumped on them will also be dumped on their children and grandchildren for years to come.
The citizens of Ireland are awake and fighting back.

FrostyJack · 17-11-2014 07:40PM

twowheelsgood wrote: »

All right I’ll bite.

Short answer is that the reasons you cite are NOT the reasons so many people are protesting. That can be plainly demonstrated by the fact that every single sin you cite has happened before and people didn’t care, or at least not enough to protest in large numbers. And they didn’t because times were good for them. That short sightedness in our collective make up may be a flaw, a fatal one at that, but that is how it is.

(Granted, yours is a commonly made error. Most laughably with the many people who think that FF were hammered at the last GE because the people suddenly acquired a distaste for low standards in high office. Utterly preposterous of course – the economy tanked – FF got a pasting, simple as that.)

Times are not good for many people now, very bad for many in fact, and that is why they are unhappy and protesting. All of the things you cite may fuel their anger but it is not the root cause.

If the protests against metered water were a runaway success (IW disbanded, all the waste somehow undone, all of the big shots from Enda down out on their ear) you would still have to address the root cause.

And the root cause it that we encountered a 20 billion deficit in our budget a few years back and there was simply no way to deal with that that was not going to place an enormous burden on the majority of people. And metered water, whilst a good idea, is a consequence of and is only now being considered because of the crash.

So I’ll ask you again. What route would you have taken 5 years ago that would not have lead to substantially as much hardship for people as we currently have?

And if the protest against metered water is as successful as you could hope for, what would you propose we do next, that would not impose the same collective total of hardship on the people?

And moral victory type solutions that start with “At least the people …” won’t cut it. Do / did you have a better way? One where people would have suffered less?

That’s a rhetorical question. You don’t. Every time that question is put it goes unanswered. What we will get is childish calls of shill and pretence that various unsavoury issues surrounding the setup and operation of IW are the problem rather than a mere propellant that fuels the anger.

Great post. The majority here are missing the point. IW, the current government, Multinationals, foreign nationals, Garda etc etc are taking the flack for everyone's financial problems. No one will look in the mirror or have any empathy for the bag of crap FG inherited. Did they do a great job of helping things get better, no, but there is no viable alternative. Next week everyone will be moaning when another childrens ward is closed or garda station but then complain they they don't want to pay anything to keep them open. It is simple maths at the end of the day.

Little CuChulainn · 17-11-2014 07:41PM

I would like to see IW to cease trading and water to remain controlled by government/local auth

Wurly wrote: »

What law is that?

Section 12 of the Water Services Act 2007

dublin-texas wrote: »

While being for water charges I don’t agree with you, there was no need for an immediate arrest which just would have create possibly violence, the Gardaí did a good job there, they protected the peace.

The residents had their 15 seconds of fame.

Now once IW come back and the residents still obstruct than it’s a different matter, than action must be taken, but in this climate right now, it’s fair to give residents the space to vent and make a symbolic stand.

It can’t continue for ever and further obstructions need to dealt with under the appropriate authority, otherwise it’s unfair to those who pay their bills.

No I do not say the people should be allowed to break the law, I simply advocate giving people a chance to vent their anger peacefully.

i think enough leeway has been given at this stage and it has been rewarded with abuse and violence. There should have been quite a few arrests at Jobstown and I hope the Inspector in charge is required to answer some tough questions.

gladrags wrote: »

Kenny calls protesters kidnappers.

The so called leader of this country,again shows no leadership,by resorting to comments that will only alienate, and agitate,a volatile situation.

Instead of using the opportunity to try to resolve the issue, and show empathy,he resorts to petty and irresponsible remarks.

Which will only cause further division.

He does not have it in him.

By law she was.

A person shall be guilty of the offence of false impriosonment who intentionally or recklessly takes or detains another without that others consent.

http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/1997/en/act/pub/0026/print.html#sec15

I hope she makes a criminal complaint.

shinzon wrote: »

this was the result of the woman been thrown against the bollard yesterday and before anyone jumps on me about the text it was uploaded that way on the rathfarnham says no FB page I just saved it off

Shin

Not very impressive considering it's been claimed she could have died.

Smidge · 17-11-2014 07:45PM

Tinkersbell wrote: »

Christ.
Imagine listening to that dragon.
The 'kidnappers' would hand over money for someone to take her away.

I love how all of a sudden enda, joan and co have become such delicate flowers.
Kidnapped? I nearly choked on my tea laughing at that

"Awwwwww, are the poor diddums being pestered by the mean old publicy-wublicky? Naughty, naughty people of Ireland, dont be bothering the good and decent folk in the dail. Shooo, away with the lot of ye now, back to you hovels"

Tony EH · 17-11-2014 07:45PM

I do not want to pay for water in any way

RayM wrote: »

I don't understand why people seem to horrified by the throwing of a water balloon. Even Joe Higgins described it as 'deplorable'. Brendan Ogle was on the 6-1 News just now, and he condemned it too. I don't remember such a fuss being made when Michael Noonan was hit by a custard pie in 2002. He (and the media) laughed it off. To me, water balloons seem like the ideal way of harmlessly dealing with pro-water-tax politicians.

If throwing water balloons constitutes 'violence', then my childhood summers were pretty brutal.

I know, it's hilarious.

The sheer level of disingenuous comments from FGer's and FFer's on "Joan's Balloon" is enough to make you retch.

Not an honest comment/position among them.

HIB · 17-11-2014 07:45PM

I do not want to pay for water in any way

gladrags wrote: »

Kenny calls protesters kidnappers.

The so called leader of this country,again shows no leadership,by resorting to comments that will only alienate, and agitate,a volatile situation.

Instead of using the opportunity to try to resolve the issue, and show empathy,he resorts to petty and irresponsible remarks.

Which will only cause further division.

He does not have it in him.

Kidnap!!!! Surely Gerry Adams is involved somehow?

Augmerson · 17-11-2014 07:45PM

shinzon wrote: »

this was the result of the woman been thrown against the bollard yesterday and before anyone jumps on me about the text it was uploaded that way on the rathfarnham says no FB page I just saved it off

Shin

From same website....

http://i.imgur.com/LjzwPIo.jpg

Hmmm. Why not?

Wurly · 17-11-2014 07:47PM

I agree with metered water charges

Are the pics of the protestor throwing a brick real? You decide.

http://www.broadsheet.ie/2014/11/17/who-threw-that/

My name is URL · 17-11-2014 07:48PM

I would like to see IW to cease trading and water to remain controlled by government/local auth

RayM wrote: »

I don't understand why people seem to horrified by the throwing of a water balloon. Even Joe Higgins described it as 'deplorable'. Brendan Ogle was on the 6-1 News just now, and he condemned it too. I don't remember such a fuss being made when Michael Noonan was hit by a custard pie in 2002. He (and the media) laughed it off. To me, water balloons seem like the ideal way of harmlessly dealing with pro-water-tax politicians.

If throwing water balloons constitutes 'violence', then my childhood summers were pretty brutal.

Shur aren't water balloons basically chemical weapons? :pac:

Little CuChulainn · 17-11-2014 07:49PM

I would like to see IW to cease trading and water to remain controlled by government/local auth

Wurly wrote: »

Are the pics of the protestor throwing a brick real? You decide.

http://www.broadsheet.ie/2014/11/17/who-threw-that/

Are you still on about that? Yes they are real and no it is not a Garda. There has been a photoshopped image circulating through the Dublin Says No groups, DDI and The Hub which claims the guy is wearing a stab vest but they have actually coloured it in to look like a stab vest, rather obviously too.

Smidge · 17-11-2014 07:51PM

HIB wrote: »

Kidnap!!!! Surely Gerry Adams is involved somehow?

I am expecting the announcement of his arrest for it at any minute to be published in the sindo

Banjo String · 17-11-2014 07:54PM

I do not want to pay for water in any way

My name is URL wrote: »

Shur aren't water balloons basically chemical weapons? :pac:

Some here were claiming they were filled with urine.

Now, I'm not sure about anyone else, but even after a few pints I rarely get enough pressure to fill a water balloon.

gladrags · 17-11-2014 07:54PM

I do not want to pay for water in any way

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

By law she was.

That was not the point I was making.

Read the post.

omega666 · 17-11-2014 07:55PM

Wurly wrote: »

Are the pics of the protestor throwing a brick real? You decide.

http://www.broadsheet.ie/2014/11/17/who-threw-that/

Lol, a blue stab vest underneath his jacket. If you zoom you can see some skin at the top of what are actually his jocks. What a bunch of clowns trying to claim it' a garda.

Stargate · 17-11-2014 07:55PM

I do not want to pay for water in any way

For the Anti Crowd .
Jump to 2:50 in the video , brilliantly said

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=572888106188279&set=vb.545433882267035&type=2&permPage=1

The " dark side " are gonna jump all over it Ha :P

Edit , just to mention also

Big crowd waiting in Sligo for enda

Sligo Says No page

17-11-2014 07:56PM

I would like to see IW to cease trading and water to remain controlled by government/local auth

Appears to be a big enough crowd congregating in Sligo. Please keep it peaceful people.

https://www.facebook.com/SligoSaysNo/photos/a.634951879955095.1073741829.632003206916629/650277385089211/?type=1&theater

My name is URL · 17-11-2014 07:56PM

I would like to see IW to cease trading and water to remain controlled by government/local auth

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

Are you still on about that?

You still hoping that protesters get genital cancer and die excruciating deaths?

Charming people, the Gardai that post here :rolleyes:

http://i.imgur.com/7MTgRvB.png

moxin · 17-11-2014 07:56PM

I do not want to pay for water in any way

That was some invasion by GMC Sierra in Donaghmede today. Look at all those "dissident thugs" protesting among the convoy :rolleyes:
https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10152911266139074&set=vb.855179073&type=2&theater

BigBrownBear · 17-11-2014 07:57PM

Surely if Government ministers have official public engagements the Gardai can get there early and set up crowd barriers.
That way their safety is assured while still allowing for people to genuinely protest in a peaceful manner

Stargate · 17-11-2014 07:59PM

I do not want to pay for water in any way

My name is URL wrote: »

You still hoping that protesters get genital cancer and die excruciating deaths?

Charming people, the Gardai that post here :rolleyes:

http://i.imgur.com/7MTgRvB.png

I'm proud i played my part in you finding that post mniURL

I was looking for that . Damn . :eek:

steamengine · 17-11-2014 08:08PM

I agree with metered water charges

FrostyJack wrote: »

Great post. The majority here are missing the point. IW, the current government, Multinationals, foreign nationals, Garda etc etc are taking the flack for everyone's financial problems. No one will look in the mirror or have any empathy for the bag of crap FG inherited. Did they do a great job of helping things get better, no, but there is no viable alternative. Next week everyone will be moaning when another childrens ward is closed or garda station but then complain they they don't want to pay anything to keep them open. It is simple maths at the end of the day.

TBH I think Russell Brand has a much deeper grasp of the matter for those who want to watch his video. For example, this present further loading of the Irish taxpayer with water charges and allowing scams like the double Irish to continue.

Someday the politicians just might acknowledge that the size of our total national debt is just too large to carry and has reached a tipping point, just like the ordinary citizens.

dav3 · 17-11-2014 08:10PM

My name is URL wrote: »

You still hoping that protesters get genital cancer and die excruciating deaths?

Charming people, the Gardai that post here :rolleyes:

http://i.imgur.com/7MTgRvB.png

Is it any wonder that respect for Gardai is at an all time low when you see disgusting comments like this.

Banjo String · 17-11-2014 08:16PM

I do not want to pay for water in any way

My name is URL wrote: »

You still hoping that protesters get genital cancer and die excruciating deaths?

Charming people, the Gardai that post here :rolleyes:

http://i.imgur.com/7MTgRvB.png

You'll be on his naughty list now too. :pac:

coolemon · 17-11-2014 08:18PM

Banjo String wrote: »

You'll be on his naughty list now too. :pac:

He will add him on to the Pulse system like all his neighbours, family and friends he snoops on.

Yggr of Asgard · 17-11-2014 08:19PM

I would like to see IW to cease trading and water to remain controlled by government/local auth

So my local TD (Fine Gael) dropped today a high gloss paper in my mailbox which over 6 pages tells me “Know Where You Stand / A Guide to YOUR ENTITLEMENTS in 2015”.

Most funny is the remarks about Water Charges in the HOUSING section.

A charge for water applied from the 1 October with the first quarterly bill expected to issue in January 2015.
Metered homes will pay 4.88 € per 1,000 litre covering in and waste water out. Each household will get 30,00 litres free and each child eligible for Child Benefit will get 21,000 litres free.
Where there is no meter, an annual assessed charge based on average usage applies of €176 for a single adult house, plus €102 for each additional adult.

Yes this is old information but it again shows what is going on with this mess, they include this in their book because “Many people miss out on entitlements because they don’t know about them”.

Beside that, Wow, I never did know that someone could claim this much from the government for this variety of things, I really must study it hard to ensure I find something even I’m going to be entitle too, I’m sure I find something. There are pages and pages of entitlements in there.

gladrags · 17-11-2014 08:19PM

I do not want to pay for water in any way

Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »

Appears to be a big enough crowd congregating in Sligo. Please keep it peaceful people.

https://www.facebook.com/SligoSaysNo/photos/a.634951879955095.1073741829.632003206916629/650277385089211/?type=1&theater

Do you know the venue?

Smidge · 17-11-2014 08:20PM

I just watched that latest protest video there.

I have decided that a lot of the posters for the yes side on here are right and those at that protest should be dealt the heavy hand of the law and made be shown who is indeed boss. Needs to be stamped out NOW.

I mean those Nana's in the video look like seriously nasty pieces of work

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