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This book is mandatory reading for all Irish people...

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,954 ✭✭✭Tail Docker


    Perhaps more worrying than past corruption, whereby Politicians were thought to have lined their own pockets through the use of corruption, is the present situation. Past "Players" may have assisted each other in acquiring money and power but by and large, they left the ordinary people alone. They played among themselves and Big Business.

    More worrying is when "people" dip deeply into the pockets of every man, woman and child, in a ruthless fashion, to promote their own, protect their own and serve their own. That's a harsher/more ruthless form altogether.

    Consider current levels of Taxation/USC/Water Charges/Cuts/Asset sell-offs, Debt write-offs and suspected cronyism currently imposed....and remember, these are to bail out the Elites and settle their debts and promote their interests.

    FF may have had their moments, but they have no monopoly on ruthlessness. Given the choice of Gangster, I prefer the ones who play among themselves.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,744 ✭✭✭diomed




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,094 ✭✭✭Packrat


    Perhaps more worrying than past corruption, whereby Politicians were thought to have lined their own pockets through the use of corruption, is the present situation. Past "Players" may have assisted each other in acquiring money and power but by and large, they left the ordinary people alone. They played among themselves and Big Business.

    More worrying is when "people" dip deeply into the pockets of every man, woman and child, in a ruthless fashion, to promote their own, protect their own and serve their own. That's a harsher/more ruthless form altogether.

    Consider current levels of Taxation/USC/Water Charges/Cuts/Asset sell-offs, Debt write-offs and suspected cronyism currently imposed....and remember, these are to bail out the Elites and settle their debts and promote their interests.

    FF may have had their moments, but they have no monopoly on ruthlessness. Given the choice of Gangster, I prefer the ones who play among themselves.

    Mostly true, but the recent raising of taxes and cuts to services are in the long term a good thing for everyone. As a country we must trade in the black. The private bank debt which was wrongly nationalised is actually the least of our worries with regard to budgeting.
    Much like buying a 10 year old Lamborgini, it's not the purchase price which is the problem, it's the running costs that will break you. Our running costs are still much more than our income, and still will be (to the tune of billions) next year when Noonans giveaway budget 2016 comes out in a likely successful attempt to buy the next general election.
    Believe me, I'm no FG or Labour apologist, if you look back to what I said at budget time that's pretty clear.

    On topic: you described it well above when you said that these guys murdered Ireland.
    Having read the first few chapters, it appears that they were just common thieves and blackmailers from and including the top (Charlie) down. It's shocking how blatant and straightforward they were about demanding millions not to scupper the plans of a self made honest man trying to do something good for his country which had let him down so badly as a young man.
    Utterly disgusting. Whatever shred of respect I had for those thieves who were FF then has evaporated, and at the time I would have voted for some of them.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,038 ✭✭✭✭SEPT 23 1989


    Imagine the country we could have been without these parasites


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 772 ✭✭✭the dark phantom


    Imagine the country we could have been without these parasites

    Irish people are generally too conservation and apathetic to do anything about these things.

    Sure we wouldn't want to be bold and get in trouble now would we ??


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 18,183 ✭✭✭✭Lapin


    Charles Haughey and Bertie Ahern were villains. Its a moot point.
    One doesn't need to read a book confirming what we all know. Cronyism, that is the way it works in Ireland, whether one likes it or not. They weren't the first, and they wont be the last; reading books on it wont change anything.
    If people weren't apathetic sheep in our country, they would punish these villains at the ballot box. But sheep are easily bought, and so vote accordingly. They read the newspapers, believe the propaganda, and vote as they are told. Its a revolving door FF/FG, and do you really think there is a difference between them? Same government, the only thing that changes is the cycle of boom to bust economy.
    Corruption in Ireland has existed from the beginning, and it will never end. These scandals and tribunals are quickly forgotten by the sheep. They just see books and tribunals on these things as a waste of money, as they change nothing.
    Charles Haughey, Bertie Ahern, Seán FitzPatrick, etc, were never jailed; and will never be jailed. The elite in our country are above the law, and like it or not that is the way it is.
    If every Irish citizen were given a free copy of this book, and read it; what would it change? They would still vote FF at the next general election.

    There is so much wrong with this post, its hard to know where to begin disputing it.

    Encouraging ignorance in others because you wish to remain wilfully ignorant yourself by not reading it is definitely not going to change anything.

    I think that is the whole point the OP is making by suggesting it 'should be mandatory reading for all Irish people...'

    You're doing exactly the same as those you criticise.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 18,183 ✭✭✭✭Lapin


    diomed wrote: »

    This gem could be added to the list too.

    http://www.amazon.com/This-Great-Little-Nation-Scandals/dp/0717129373

    15 years old now. I'd love to see them write a follow up on the scandals we have lived through since.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,495 ✭✭✭✭eviltwin


    That is some title for a book. Would hate to get that one doing Charades.


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