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Too proud to draw the dole

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  • #62
    reprise
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,372 ✭✭✭reprise


    suicide_circus wrote: »
    Remember: having a problem with fraudulent asylum claims makes you a nasty fascist.

    Indeed.

    No-one can say that dole claimants are 100% legitimate, but if it was revealed that 90% of dole recipients were fraudulently claiming, there would be uproar.

    Yet, we have implemented a humanitarian system for refugees and no more than 10% of the people using its provisions ultimately qualify as deserving. An appalling statistic.

    Open your mouth and stand back. Cue the boards ever vigilant bullies and resident cyber lynch mob and watch any sympathy for your own dilemma evaporate, no matter how many hoops you are expected to jump through or how much you have contributed.

    I applaud you Packrat. Banana republic sums it up aptly.


  • #63
    Laura Palmer
    Closed Accounts Posts: 249 ✭✭Laura Palmer


    realistic anorak wrote: »
    Remember in the celtic tiger days when people were too proud to draw their own stamps even for a week or two ?
    I don't recall that ever being the case, no - just far, far less people being on the dole.

    In my opinion it's irresponsible, if you have dependants, not to claim benefits when you have lost your job/there's no work for you available and when it will take a while to find work again. I don't understand how it works as a "F**k you" to the government. It's certainly not causing any government officials to suffer.

    People who can't be bothered to find work, and people who have always worked, lost their jobs and are trying hard to find work but it's taking time... shouldn't be compared. Apart from having the word "dole" in common, they're two different scenarios.


  • #64
    Adamantium
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,563 ✭✭✭Adamantium


    I only got laid off once...or was it laid? probably both on the same day now that I think of it.


  • #65
    Larry Wildman
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,460 ✭✭✭Larry Wildman


    folbotcar wrote: »
    When I quit a job to move onto something else I didn't sign on initially. I decided to eventually and when I did someone in the social welfare office rang me and basically gave out to me for not signing on straight away. He pointed out that I had being paying PRSI for many years and that it was an entitlement. He was right the 'I' means insurance. That's what insurance is for. I never heard of anyone too proud to claim on health or car insurance? Of course it's different when the benefit runs out and you have to apply for the dole or assistance. But even then if you are too bloody proud to apply for it while letting your family struggle then you're an idiot. The government is never too proud to tax you when you are working.

    I am now self employed and the government is very happy to tax me even when my earnings are below the normal PAYE tax threshold, not to mention having to pay PRSI which gives me no extra benefit at all.

    So I would have no qualms about claiming any social welfare payment. Like most people me and my wife over the years we have been paying a lot of money to keep many spongers on the dole, the public service in their fat salaries and gold plated pensions and to keep this country's services and infrastructure in a useable condition. If I need help at some point I will feel quite entitled to claim a little of it back to help me and my family get back on our feet.

    That's why we pay taxes. As for packrat he gave himself away: I wouldn't want to draw attention to myself either by applying for social welfare if I was holding back tax. Pride has nothing to do with it.

    You should have received nothing. The first line of your post is pregnant with significance: "You quit a job". A reasonable democracy would recognise the needy (i.e. not you) and divert its resources away from you.


  • #66
    Son Of A Vidic
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,370 ✭✭✭✭Son Of A Vidic


    realistic anorak wrote: »
    Remember in the celtic tiger days when...

    Trolls were more entertaining and original?


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  • #67
    Volvoair
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 133 ✭✭Volvoair


    realistic anorak wrote: »
    Remember in the celtic tiger days when people were too proud to draw their own stamps even for a week or two ?

    no.its your money ,why would you not claim it?


  • #68
    Packrat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,095 ✭✭✭Packrat


    Volvoair wrote: »
    no.its your money ,why would you not claim it?

    See this ^^^ is exactly the attitude I hate.

    Not having a cut at you specifically, but most people who I hear this out of have contributed next to Fcuk all in prsi over the few years they have worked.
    For all I know, you may have worked 30 or more years without drawing a penny, and if that's the case then yes, your argument holds true, but as I said, most people I hear with this story have worked <5 years and if they added it up truthfully, haven't contributed enough to keep them in jsb for more than a few weeks.


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