Too proud to draw the dole

realistic anorak

Remember in the celtic tiger days when people were too proud to draw their own stamps even for a week or two ?

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Yes. It was fairly recent. Is there a point?

Frank O. Pinion

I love these nostalgia trip threads. "Remember in the Celtic Tiger days, people drove to the moon on rainbows." Good times.

agusta

realistic anorak wrote: »

Remember in the celtic tiger days when people were too proud to draw their own stamps even for a week or two ?

****e talk in my opinion

Packrat

I lost my business of 16 years. in 2011. I couldn't draw anything then. I wouldn't have anyway, instead I moved within Ireland and found work. I've been laid off for the fourth winter a few weeks ago (My new occupation is seasonal) I've found other work, usually within a week on each occasion.
This year, for the first time since I was 18, (40 now) I'm taking till after Christmas off.
I have a young baby who is in hospital and want to spend the time with his mother and obviously take care of him.

I won't be signing on.

So maybe I'm too proud to draw dole, or maybe because despite having paid hundreds of thousands of euros of tax over the years, I couldn't get anything when I badly needed it for food and fuel to get out looking for work.

I will however be deducting a percentage from future taxes paid to this fcuking banana state who take better care of some bogus asylum seeker than of its own self employed.

So maybe they can stick it up their holes now, I'll be taking care of my family myself.

darkpagandeath

Don't people still fly to New York and just leave all their dirty clothes in the hotel and just by more when they come back ?

Chucken

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Don't people still fly to New York and just leave all their dirty clothes in the hotel and just by more when they come back ?

I fly to New York every week to buy new decking.

o1s1n

Packrat wrote: »

I won't be signing on.

So maybe I'm too proud to draw dole.

Sorry but anyone who does this is a moron.

You've paid countless amounts in euro every month. Sign of FFS. It's the least the country can do for you after you've contributed so much.

Kevin McCloud

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Don't people still fly to New York and just leave all their dirty clothes in the hotel and just by more when they come back ?

They bring most of their clothes home now bar underwear.

SkyBlueClouds

Packrat wrote: »

I lost my business of 16 years. in 2011. I couldn't draw anything then. I wouldn't have anyway, instead I moved within Ireland and found work. I've been laid off for the fourth winter a few weeks ago (My new occupation is seasonal) I've found other work, usually within a week on each occasion.
This year, for the first time since I was 18, (40 now) I'm taking till after Christmas off.
I have a young baby who is in hospital and want to spend the time with his mother and obviously take care of him.

I won't be signing on.

So maybe I'm too proud to draw dole, or maybe because despite having paid hundreds of thousands of euros of tax over the years, I couldn't get anything when I badly needed it for food and fuel to get out looking for work.

I will however be deducting a percentage from future taxes paid to this fcuking banana state who take better care of some bogus asylum seeker than of its own self employed.

So maybe they can stick it up their holes now, I'll be taking care of my family myself.

Sorry to hear your predictement. Hope it improves for you soon.

Packrat

SkyBlueClouds wrote: »

Sorry to hear your predictement. Hope it improves for you soon.

Thank you, - it already has. I'm deliberately not looking for anything until the new year as I've saved up over the summer and can comfortably afford mortgage and bills for a while.
Little Packrat will be fine in time too :-)

B.A._Baracus

"too proud to draw the dole" is another term for moron.

m5ex9oqjawdg2i

A lot of hatred in this thread, and it's only only page 1...

Micky Dolenz

I've never been in a position where I needed to draw the dole but would on a heart beat.

OP, isn't drawing stamps different than jsa (dole).

Salt001

Packrat wrote: »

I lost my business of 16 years. in 2011. I couldn't draw anything then. I wouldn't have anyway, instead I moved within Ireland and found work. I've been laid off for the fourth winter a few weeks ago (My new occupation is seasonal) I've found other work, usually within a week on each occasion.
This year, for the first time since I was 18, (40 now) I'm taking till after Christmas off.
I have a young baby who is in hospital and want to spend the time with his mother and obviously take care of him.

I won't be signing on.

So maybe I'm too proud to draw dole, or maybe because despite having paid hundreds of thousands of euros of tax over the years, I couldn't get anything when I badly needed it for food and fuel to get out looking for work.

I will however be deducting a percentage from future taxes paid to this fcuking banana state who take better care of some bogus asylum seeker than of its own self employed.

So maybe they can stick it up their holes now, I'll be taking care of my family myself.

Well buddy you wouldn't get anything anyway because you were self-employed despite having paid all through the years for employees and yourself etc. However you will not be deducting anything in future because if you are paye or a prsi worker its all done before it even gets to you. BTW people who are " too proud to draw the dole" after working for countless years need to pull their heads out and give themselves a quick kick up the ass

Tokyo

Don't draw the dole and you're a moron.

Do draw the dole and you're too lazy or useless to get a job/a foreigner coming over here to screw the system/a single mum leaking out kids like the Exxon Valdez so you can screw the state for the next 20 years....

Seems like some people get up in the morning solely to find something to complain about....

0byme75341jo28

B.A._Baracus wrote: »

"too proud to draw the dole" is another term for moron.

Yep. I can see the thinking behind it, and I'd have some bit of respect for someone who made that decision, but yes, I'd think of it as a moronic thing to do.

lertsnim

I'd question the mentality of someone who is too proud to draw the dole.

Jen Pigs Fly

I got laid off on Thursday the 13th ... Went to the social on the Friday.
I've been working since I was 17 so working for 7 years, don't have a social services card, never been on the dole before and over four years in full time work I feel the social owes me a bit of hep while I find another job.

I don't plan on staying on the dole, but I know I'll need It for the next while until I get something else, I feel it's the sensible thing to do, I've paid my tax for this very reason.

Tarzana2

Frank O. Pinion wrote: »

I love these nostalgia trip threads. "Remember in the Celtic Tiger days, people drove to the moon on rainbows." Good times.

I still do that. *sips shroom tea*

Tarzana2

Packrat wrote: »

So maybe I'm too proud to draw dole, or maybe because despite having paid hundreds of thousands of euros of tax over the years, I couldn't get anything when I badly needed it for food and fuel to get out looking for work.

Well, to be honest, I don't think it makes you too proud, I just think doing a job and getting paid is so much better, whatever the job. Even on minimum wage (full time), a person is so much better off than on the dole. (despite the claims made on here about people on the dole living in luxury :rolleyes:)

Geuze

Scarlett Flaky Wheelchair wrote: »

A lot of hatred in this thread, and it's only only page 1...

I didn't feel any hatred...........??

Geuze

Note that JSA is known as the "dole".


JSB is based on PRSI contributions.


Many countries have only JSB, and don't have any JSA.

bodice ripper

mike_ie wrote: »

Seems like some people get up in the morning solely to find something to complain about....

It's the only thing that can get me out of bed...

Salt001

If you are the average worker not self employed and not civil service, or indeed not skilled ie. if you are working for minimum wage you do not have the option of being high minded.

petrolcan

Packrat wrote: »

I lost my business of 16 years. in 2011. I couldn't draw anything then. I wouldn't have anyway, instead I moved within Ireland and found work. I've been laid off for the fourth winter a few weeks ago (My new occupation is seasonal) I've found other work, usually within a week on each occasion.
This year, for the first time since I was 18, (40 now) I'm taking till after Christmas off.
I have a young baby who is in hospital and want to spend the time with his mother and obviously take care of him.

I won't be signing on.

So maybe I'm too proud to draw dole, or maybe because despite having paid hundreds of thousands of euros of tax over the years, I couldn't get anything when I badly needed it for food and fuel to get out looking for work.

I will however be deducting a percentage from future taxes paid to this fcuking banana state who take better care of some bogus asylum seeker than of its own self employed.

So maybe they can stick it up their holes now, I'll be taking care of my family myself.

Just so you know, I was right there with you until you mentioned asylum seeker.

dizzymenace

o know of a lot of people that drop out of school at 18 to sign on the dole. my sister signed on at 18, shes 21 now and no future. my brother is on the dole for about 8 years give or take. he's 31 now and no future in sight. out of my family (3 siblings) i'm the only one with a leaving cert and i bet i'd be the only one with a college degree. im 19 ow and i'm fighting with every fiber of my being to never sign on in my life.

Squeedily Spooch

It really sucks that sole traders and small business owners can't get social welfare if they need it, what happens if you didn't always own your own business and worked for someone else but never claimed the dole? Do you lose it once you go into business for yourself?

One eyed Jack

Squeedily Spooch wrote: »

It really sucks that sole traders and small business owners can't get social welfare if they need it, what happens if you didn't always own your own business and worked for someone else but never claimed the dole? Do you lose it once you go into business for yourself?

I don't know why that myth keeps doing the rounds among people. Self-employed people are entitled to the same social welfare assistance as anyone else when they become unemployed -


Self-employed and unemployment

Packrat

Salt001 wrote: »

Well buddy you wouldn't get anything anyway because you were self-employed despite having paid all through the years for employees and yourself etc. However you will not be deducting anything in future because if you are paye or a prsi worker its all done before it even gets to you. BTW people who are " too proud to draw the dole" after working for countless years need to pull their heads out and give themselves a quick kick up the ass

He he he. :rolleyes:

Packrat

One eyed Jack wrote: »

I don't know why that myth keeps doing the rounds among people. Self-employed people are entitled to the same social welfare assistance as anyone else when they become unemployed -


Self-employed and unemployment

No. No they are not. You misunderstand. Even Joan Burton doesn't try to claim that they do.

Try reading your link again.

Larry Wildman

One eyed Jack wrote: »

I don't know why that myth keeps doing the rounds among people. Self-employed people are entitled to the same social welfare assistance as anyone else when they become unemployed -


Self-employed and unemployment

That's not what that says...

corsav6

Packrat wrote: »

I lost my business of 16 years. in 2011. I couldn't draw anything then. I wouldn't have anyway, instead I moved within Ireland and found work. I've been laid off for the fourth winter a few weeks ago (My new occupation is seasonal) I've found other work, usually within a week on each occasion.
This year, for the first time since I was 18, (40 now) I'm taking till after Christmas off.
I have a young baby who is in hospital and want to spend the time with his mother and obviously take care of him.

I won't be signing on.

So maybe I'm too proud to draw dole, or maybe because despite having paid hundreds of thousands of euros of tax over the years, I couldn't get anything when I badly needed it for food and fuel to get out looking for work.

I will however be deducting a percentage from future taxes paid to this fcuking banana state who take better care of some bogus asylum seeker than of its own self employed.

So maybe they can stick it up their holes now, I'll be taking care of my family myself.

Enjoy your Christmas with your family, you honestly sound like you deserve it.

Annasopra

realistic anorak wrote: »

Remember in the celtic tiger days when people were too proud to draw their own stamps even for a week or two ?

No

bur

too stupid more like.

Santa Cruz

Chucken wrote: »

I fly to New York every week to buy new decking.

I change my wooden flooring every week. It works out cheaper in the long run

Rubberchikken

where is the shame in signing on if it's necessary. no matter how many jobs are out there even today, there is no guarantee of getting something immediately and a person needs to eat.

good luck to Little Packrat btw

NewYork1979

petrolcan wrote: »

Just so you know, I was right there with you until you mentioned asylum seeker.

Why? Is it not a valid point? Or can he not say it because the very minute anyone says "asylum seeker", "non-national" they are considered racist?

I presume the guy is self employed so therefore he fills out his own tax returns on a yearly basis, he can then reduce his tax as he likes.

Saipanne

Packrat wrote: »

I lost my business of 16 years. in 2011. I couldn't draw anything then. I wouldn't have anyway, instead I moved within Ireland and found work. I've been laid off for the fourth winter a few weeks ago (My new occupation is seasonal) I've found other work, usually within a week on each occasion.
This year, for the first time since I was 18, (40 now) I'm taking till after Christmas off.
I have a young baby who is in hospital and want to spend the time with his mother and obviously take care of him.

I won't be signing on.

So maybe I'm too proud to draw dole, or maybe because despite having paid hundreds of thousands of euros of tax over the years, I couldn't get anything when I badly needed it for food and fuel to get out looking for work.

I will however be deducting a percentage from future taxes paid to this fcuking banana state who take better care of some bogus asylum seeker than of its own self employed.

So maybe they can stick it up their holes now, I'll be taking care of my family myself.

Bloody foreigners, etc.

Minderbinder

It gets easier every week.

DarkyHughes

Remember the Celtic tiger days when beautiful women just walked over to you & just started having casual sex with you in public?

guest2014

Packrat wrote: »

I lost my business of 16 years. in 2011. I couldn't draw anything then. I wouldn't have anyway, instead I moved within Ireland and found work. I've been laid off for the fourth winter a few weeks ago (My new occupation is seasonal) I've found other work, usually within a week on each occasion.
This year, for the first time since I was 18, (40 now) I'm taking till after Christmas off.
I have a young baby who is in hospital and want to spend the time with his mother and obviously take care of him.

I won't be signing on.

So maybe I'm too proud to draw dole, or maybe because despite having paid hundreds of thousands of euros of tax over the years, I couldn't get anything when I badly needed it for food and fuel to get out looking for work.

I will however be deducting a percentage from future taxes paid to this fcuking banana state who take better care of some bogus asylum seeker than of its own self employed.

So maybe they can stick it up their holes now, I'll be taking care of my family myself.

yeah sure all the asylum seekers I know drive 2014 Ferrari's. :rolleyes:

MJ23

"Pride only hurts, it never helps"

mfceiling

DarkyHughes wrote: »

Remember the Celtic tiger days when beautiful women just walked over to you & just started having casual sex with you in public?

Still happening to me darky

*high five*

cajonlardo

Packrat wrote: »

I lost my business of 16 years. in 2011. I couldn't draw anything then. I wouldn't have anyway, instead I moved within Ireland and found work. I've been laid off for the fourth winter a few weeks ago (My new occupation is seasonal) I've found other work, usually within a week on each occasion.
This year, for the first time since I was 18, (40 now) I'm taking till after Christmas off.
I have a young baby who is in hospital and want to spend the time with his mother and obviously take care of him.

I won't be signing on.

So maybe I'm too proud to draw dole, or maybe because despite having paid hundreds of thousands of euros of tax over the years, I couldn't get anything when I badly needed it for food and fuel to get out looking for work.

I will however be deducting a percentage from future taxes paid to this fcuking banana state who take better care of some bogus asylum seeker than of its own self employed.

So maybe they can stick it up their holes now, I'll be taking care of my family myself.

Salt001 wrote: »

Well buddy you wouldn't get anything anyway because you were self-employed despite having paid all through the years for employees and yourself etc.

Squeedily Spooch wrote: »

It really sucks that sole traders and small business owners can't get social welfare if they need it, what happens if you didn't always own your own business and worked for someone else but never claimed the dole? Do you lose it once you go into business for yourself?

I was self employed several times and also owned 2 small businesses over the years.

I did go broke twice, once fully self employed and once while employing other people.

Here is what happened as best I can remember.

1. Went to dole and was informed I was not eligible and to see the Welfare Officer in the Health Service.

2. Had to satisfy Health Officer I was genuinely out of work, seeking work and had no money in the banks, credit union etc and that I had genuinely ceased trading. Bit humbling and uncomfortable when you are a proud person and used to standing on your own feet. Fair enough when you think about it. Otherwise I could be out working and drawing welfare.

3. Health service paid me very slightly less than the Dole rates.

4. about a month later I was back working in the very first mickey Mouse job I could get.

Later on when I was again self employed I opted to pay an "S" class stamp and as far as I remember this covered self employed for Social Insurance but thankfully I never had to find out.

Lots of things wrong in this state, always have been. But my family was not left hungry when I was out of work. To say you get nothing if you were self employed is a mistake - you won't get a lot but it will enough to keep the wolf from the door.

folbotcar

When I quit a job to move onto something else I didn't sign on initially. I decided to eventually and when I did someone in the social welfare office rang me and basically gave out to me for not signing on straight away. He pointed out that I had being paying PRSI for many years and that it was an entitlement. He was right the 'I' means insurance. That's what insurance is for. I never heard of anyone too proud to claim on health or car insurance? Of course it's different when the benefit runs out and you have to apply for the dole or assistance. But even then if you are too bloody proud to apply for it while letting your family struggle then you're an idiot. The government is never too proud to tax you when you are working.

I am now self employed and the government is very happy to tax me even when my earnings are below the normal PAYE tax threshold, not to mention having to pay PRSI which gives me no extra benefit at all.

So I would have no qualms about claiming any social welfare payment. Like most people me and my wife over the years we have been paying a lot of money to keep many spongers on the dole, the public service in their fat salaries and gold plated pensions and to keep this country's services and infrastructure in a useable condition. If I need help at some point I will feel quite entitled to claim a little of it back to help me and my family get back on our feet.

That's why we pay taxes. As for packrat he gave himself away:

I will however be deducting a percentage from future taxes paid to this fcuking banana state who take better care of some bogus asylum seeker than of its own self employed.

I wouldn't want to draw attention to myself either by applying for social welfare if I was holding back tax. Pride has nothing to do with it.

Packrat

Jeez I'm getting some flak over the 'bogus asylum seeker' comment.

So let's have a look at that shall we:

Firstly note I used the term "bogus" This is important because despite what all the people call in me a big bad waaaaycist:rolleyes: (look up the definition tbh) think, I have no problem with genuine victims of war or persecution being granted asylum here. It's the many many bogus ones I was referring to.
Secondly, a bogus asylum seeker gets food, a roof and some money each week until after the several appeals (at our expense) their application is finally refused, and guess what, they aren't expected to pay any of it back, no, they are asked to leave, which many don't do.
I was entitled to none of the above back in 2011 despite having paid taxes for decades. This is unfair in my opinion. Anybody think not?
Thirdly, this thread is not about me or my situation then or now, so all of this is off topic.

What's fcuking laughable is the people jumping to be offended on behalf of criminals who seek to defraud our state, completely ignoring the whole rest of the post or indeed the thread.

I could have inserted "serial dole fraudsters" and the same people would have jumped on that.

They are pathetic little cretins who will never take responsibility for themselves or in all likelihood even ever support themselves. Newsflash - I won't support you or the fraudsters you jump to defend anymore either. Actually their responses demonstrate my point about what a fcuking banana republic this is.

Saipanne

Packrat wrote: »

Jeez I'm getting some flak over the 'bogus asylum seeker' comment.

So let's have a look at that shall we:

Firstly note I used the term "bogus" This is important because despite what all the people call in me a big bad waaaaycist:rolleyes: (look up the definition tbh) think, I have no problem with genuine victims of war or persecution being granted asylum here. It's the many many bogus ones I was referring to.
Secondly, a bogus asylum seeker gets food, a roof and some money each week until after the several appeals (at our expense) their application is finally refused, and guess what, they aren't expected to pay any of it back, no, they are asked to leave, which many don't do.
I was entitled to none of the above back in 2011 despite having paid taxes for decades. This is unfair in my opinion. Anybody think not?
Thirdly, this thread is not about me or my situation then or now, so all of this is off topic.

What's fcuking laughable is the people jumping to be offended on behalf of criminals who seek to defraud our state, completely ignoring the whole rest of the post or indeed the thread.

I could have inserted "serial dole fraudsters" and the same people would have jumped on that.

They are pathetic little cretins who will never take responsibility for themselves or in all likelihood even ever support themselves. Newsflash - I won't support you or the fraudsters you jump to defend anymore either. Actually their responses demonstrate my point about what a fcuking banana republic this is.

Lol.

Edit: I retract the lol. You're obviously going through a tough time now. But you need to chill out with those nasty comments.

PizzamanIRL

Sometimes pride makes people look like gob****es. The taboo of the dole needs to be gone. You lose your job? Get the dole. That's what it's for. Stop trying to be a strong independent black woman.

Tasden

Packrat wrote: »

No. No they are not. You misunderstand. Even Joan Burton doesn't try to claim that they do.

Try reading your link again.

They're not entitled to JB, but if they satisfy a means test they may be entitled to JSA.

The means test is different for self employed people because those without a business of their own obviously don't have the same potential to earn than those with a business.

If you don't satisfy a means test for JA that's different to not getting the payment purely because you're self employed. Its because you're over the threshold. Perhaps as a result of being self employed, but that's not why you're not eligible.

It is ridiculous that the prsi based payment is not available to self employed in the first place though.

Packrat

Saipanne wrote: »

Lol.

Run along and play with your balls, the adults are talking.