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Females being Assaulted by bouncers

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  • #32
    Jezek
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 737 ✭✭✭Jezek


    Zyox wrote: »
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hematoma#
    A haematoma *and* a bruise?
    You should be studied.

    these two are not the same things. In fact, someone could have a haematoma and a bruise at the same time. I know this is getting off topic but I come on, if you're gonna be pedantic be right. As for the OP's case, I have to say

    1. If everything is as you say it then you're right, too much force was used against you with no reason ( at least initially)

    2. Even in your own story you come off pretty badly - you escalated and were in the wrong - taking pictures and arguing with bouncers

    3. Your story sounds implausible or perhaps not only one side of the story. especially things like being held in a armlock for 20 mins. even the bouncer would be very tired after 10.


  • #33
    Sam Harts
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32 ✭Sam Harts


    This is why I hate bouncers. There's one club in Dublin 2, I won't say it's name but the bouncers there are rude as hell and often love to abuse their authority. I was there once and a male bouncer, well over 6 foot told me to move out of his way and just pushed me, despite their being stairs near by, I nearly fell down them, and when I told him I could have nearly fell his response was sarcastic.

    Sometimes I have gone to this club straight from home and I'm not a huge drinker, yet some of the bouncers are almost about to give me the breathalyser, yet people who are half legless get in no problem.

    The final straw came when I had my brand new phone stolen and I waited for everyone to leave and I then went to the hotel which is also part of the club, I asked the receptionist could he ring my number, and the answer I got was NO and a nasty grin, and when I said please he asked a bouncer to get me out and told me to F Off, the bouncer went to grab me but I just walked out and told him not to touch me, I had had two drinks that night, was not aggressive and was simply upset because I had lost an expensive brand new phone.

    The problem with bouncers is that they get this thrill out of having a bit of power and authority, and they pick on anyone who they consider to be weak, you can just imagine they were probably bullies at school, well the ones in the club I was going to anyway, also female bouncers can be nasty pieces of work too.

    I don't got there anymore, despite my friends thinking it is the best club in Dublin.

    Anyway I think you and your partner should definitely press charges against those bouncers, but most of the guards probably love their power trips too so they might just give those bouncers who assaulted you a high five and a fist pump.


  • #34
    Jezek
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 737 ✭✭✭Jezek


    Sam Harts wrote: »
    This is why I hate bouncers. There's one club in Dublin 2, I won't say it's name but the bouncers there are rude as hell and often love to abuse their authority. I was there once and a male bouncer, well over 6 foot told me to move out of his way and just pushed me, despite their being stairs near by, I nearly fell down them, and when I told him I could have nearly fell his response was sarcastic.

    Sometimes I have gone to this club straight from home and I'm not a huge drinker, yet some of the bouncers are almost about to give me the breathalyser, yet people who are half legless get in no problem.

    The final straw came when I had my brand new phone stolen and I waited for everyone to leave and I then went to the hotel which is also part of the club, I asked the receptionist could he ring my number, and the answer I got was NO and a nasty grin, and when I said please he asked a bouncer to get me out and told me to F Off, the bouncer went to grab me but I just walked out and told him not to touch me, I had had two drinks that night, was not aggressive and was simply upset because I had lost an expensive brand new phone.

    The problem with bouncers is that they get this thrill out of having a bit of power and authority, and they pick on anyone who they consider to be weak, you can just imagine they were probably bullies at school, well the ones in the club I was going to anyway, also female bouncers can be nasty pieces of work too.

    I don't got there anymore, despite my friends thinking it is the best club in Dublin.

    Anyway I think you and your partner should definitely press charges against those bouncers, but most of the guards probably love their power trips too so they might just give those bouncers who assaulted you a high five and a fist pump.

    nasty pieces of work? bullies? lumping all guards in for good measure?
    Also your story of the hotel receptionists not calling your number is missing parts or otherwise sounds fake


  • #35
    Sam Harts
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32 ✭Sam Harts


    Jezek wrote: »
    nasty pieces of work? bullies? lumping all guards in for good measure?
    Also your story of the hotel receptionists not calling your number is missing parts or otherwise sounds fake

    You where there, were you??

    I said that the ones I have seen bully people probably were bullies at school, I have met a lot of bouncers who simply just do a job and don't abuse their authority like the ones at that club I went to were all I saw was abuse from them to people, yet the other clubs on that street were not abusing customers.

    And as for the receptionist, I told him I lost my phone, he said there was nothing he could do and I said it might be in the club and would it be possible if he could ring it and he shouted no, and all I did in response was say please as I was desperate to find it and then he treated me like some criminal.

    It's up to you what you believe as far as I am concerned I don't know you, have never met you, and don't come on Internet forums that much, so I don't need to score points from anyone online, so don't lump me into the same category as yourself.


  • #36
    Zambia
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,333 ✭✭✭Zambia


    sa2014 wrote: »
    When someome calls me a child and not help the issue, I will reply with a smart comment telling them to jog on.

    I assume you have told your story on this site for a impartial third eye view.

    Sadly some posters have been a bit insulting and that is going to far.

    However on reading of your story and having worked on doors once upon a time the tale is an old one.

    In my impartial third view you mucked this up. Doormen are employees and not gods (all though some do like to think they are). Their behaviour should be dealt with like you deal with any other service employee.

    Approach the door on refusal politely ask for the doormans number or name along with a reason and make a note (written) of their refusal and response.

    The next day write a letter to the management

    Dear ()

    On the evening of the 7/7/14 I attended your premises at 21.30. With my partner Eve.

    On trying to enter I was refused by doorman (name number or description). The reason he gave was / he refused to tell us why.

    We attended your venue due to (reason you went there). This refusal as you can imagine spoiled our evening. I will not be returning to your venue in future but feel I should at least inform you of the impression your door staff leave on the patrons your advertising revenue leads to your door.

    The old adage of a good experience leads to a patron telling one person and a bad experience leads to a patron telling 10 is one that predates social media.

    Regards
    You


    If you follow the above the Gardais time and energy is not wasted in piontless investigations of bruises caused by conflicting stories. (its a dog af a case that you actions have muddied the waters in).

    The above letter if circulated properly would have been the best outcome


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  • #37
    rubberdiddies
    Closed Accounts Posts: 717 ✭✭✭rubberdiddies


    I can't really understand how one or two posters here are saying the OP got what she deserved.

    So you are saying she deserved to be physically assaulted despite not laying a finger on the bouncer?

    Strange attitude to have to advocate illegal assault


  • #38
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,916 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    Sam Harts wrote: »
    This is why I hate bouncers. There's one club in Dublin 2, I won't say it's name but the bouncers there are rude as hell and often love to abuse their authority. I was there once and a male bouncer, well over 6 foot told me to move out of his way and just pushed me, despite their being stairs near by, I nearly fell down them, and when I told him I could have nearly fell his response was sarcastic.

    Sometimes I have gone to this club straight from home and I'm not a huge drinker, yet some of the bouncers are almost about to give me the breathalyser, yet people who are half legless get in no problem.

    The final straw came when I had my brand new phone stolen and I waited for everyone to leave and I then went to the hotel which is also part of the club, I asked the receptionist could he ring my number, and the answer I got was NO and a nasty grin, and when I said please he asked a bouncer to get me out and told me to F Off, the bouncer went to grab me but I just walked out and told him not to touch me, I had had two drinks that night, was not aggressive and was simply upset because I had lost an expensive brand new phone.

    The problem with bouncers is that they get this thrill out of having a bit of power and authority, and they pick on anyone who they consider to be weak, you can just imagine they were probably bullies at school, well the ones in the club I was going to anyway, also female bouncers can be nasty pieces of work too.

    I don't got there anymore, despite my friends thinking it is the best club in Dublin.

    Anyway I think you and your partner should definitely press charges against those bouncers, but most of the guards probably love their power trips too so they might just give those bouncers who assaulted you a high five and a fist pump.

    Funny


    I worked as a doorman for almost 20 years and never looked for trouble and in fact my motto was "A quiet boring night is a successful night" . I worked with many great people and made friends for life both from staff and customers. Fact is there are arseholes in EVERY profession. Fwiw i think op is giving a VERY watered down pro her side version of the events that happened.


  • #39
    mrsbyrne
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,228 ✭✭✭mrsbyrne


    OP I think that you've heard that the bouncer who you bit is taking sn action against you (quite right too) snd your panicking.
    If this is the case you will simply have to engage s solicitor.
    The beauty of CCTV is that the case should be cut and dried because the camera never lies.
    If nothing else I hope you have learned that you don't have a "right" to be admitted to a privately owned venue and being belligerent about it might land you in hot water.


  • #40
    MarkAnthony
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,934 ✭✭✭MarkAnthony


    sa2014 wrote: »
    Thanks for input by some people, I will be doing what I said I would. Someonene is entitled to take a photo , its not aggressive. He didnt have a right to lay his hands on anyone. He got aggressive towards someone who didnt touch him, so no matter what happened after this, he still got physical unnecessarily first. Thats all my point was. I wanted to know was it acceptable for him to act this way. But nobody here knows the law like the back of their hand so im going to stop commenting now and delete previous posts. Dont want anymore people giving out saying I deserved it as I had enough of that off one member of gardai who would not listen to my side of story, only heard one side. I believe gardai should be impartial until both sides are discussed. Only person ill be discussing this further with is a solicitor.

    OP I'm afraid that all the way up you are going to find people predisposed, as I am, to believing that you had a large measure of responsibility for this, whether you did or did not. That's why you need to be completely beyond reproach in dealing with bouncers in future.

    I hope it all blows over with no adverse repercussions for you. In the future the most effective way to hit a business that you don't like is in the pockets.


  • #41
    masonchat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 667 ✭✭✭masonchat


    sa2014 wrote: »
    Thanks for input by some people, I will be doing what I said I would. Someonene is entitled to take a photo , its not aggressive. He didnt have a right to lay his hands on anyone. He got aggressive towards someone who didnt touch him, so no matter what happened after this, he still got physical unnecessarily first. Thats all my point was. I wanted to know was it acceptable for him to act this way. But nobody here knows the law like the back of their hand so im going to stop commenting now and delete previous posts. Dont want anymore people giving out saying I deserved it as I had enough of that off one member of gardai who would not listen to my side of story, only heard one side. I believe gardai should be impartial until both sides are discussed. Only person ill be discussing this further with is a solicitor.


    Maybe on your friends part at best , but you actually attacked him first by your own account and bit him when he restrained you, you might not have got what you deserve just yet hopefully a judge will see to that


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  • #42
    MarkAnthony
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,934 ✭✭✭MarkAnthony


    sa2014 wrote: »
    Thanks, I Definately wont be returning there again. I'll be walking away in future, I did not realise some bouncers were like this.

    I say this having done security work here and on the basis that it's a small minority but bouncers here can be a nightmare. Comparing Dublin to Edinburgh both where I've caused a fair amount of (minor, drunken) nuisance it's stunning how quickly Dublin bouncers go off one one.


  • #43
    hfallada
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,179 ✭✭✭hfallada


    rubberdiddies wrote: »
    I can't really understand how one or two posters here are saying the OP got what she deserved.

    So you are saying she deserved to be physically assaulted despite not laying a finger on the bouncer?

    Strange attitude to have to advocate illegal assault

    The way she spoke and treated the bouncers before they even touched her was not acceptable. If you are working in any customer service job and someone is being nasty and snappy, you dont smile and take.

    I find it interesting that the OP hasnt mentioned, what other people outside the club, had to say about the OPs behaviour. I have yet to see altercation outside of a club without some other people going to the club getting involved. If the OP story is true, I cant see why someone that was "20 mins" in a headlock, didnt have someone walking by questioning what the bouncer did. Also most club know have two sets of bouncers. One for the women and others for men. I dont know why it wasnt the case here.

    I remember the only complaint I had working retail for 9 months. It was from a customer that was incredibly nasty and difficult to deal with. All I was doing was serving them at the till. That same day the company I worked for got an email saying I was rude, did X,Y and Z. Like I didnt say hello or thank you. I worked there so long, that when friend said bye, that I automatically said thank you, bye. My manager told me a majority of complaints in retail are from customers who treated the staff like **** and try to justify what they did with a complaint that is far from the truth. This can be seen in the retail thread in "ranting and raving".

    I wonder is this the case here.


  • #44
    Fred Swanson
    Closed Accounts Posts: 21,723 ✭✭✭✭Fred Swanson


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  • #45
    Pat Mustard
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,554 ✭✭✭Pat Mustard


    It has been mentioned several times on this thread that it's not illegal to take a photo. However, that doesn't exactly describe what happened here.

    The OP could pursue this matter, asking Gardai to bring charges against the bouncers for assault or false imprisonment. However, if you're no angel yourself, sometimes involving Gardai can be a two-edged sword. The possibility that the OP could be prosecuted for disorderly conduct (depending on whether it was after midnight) or harassment can't be completely discounted. There is also the issue of biting the bouncer. I wouldn't like to put my house on self-defence here.

    It would certainly be worth taking advice in relation to an Injuries Board application, etc.


  • #46
    whippet
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,731 ✭✭✭whippet


    A bite is a serious thing .. The victim of a bite has to go through fairly scary blood tests and a long wait for an all clear. I know as a mate of mine got bitten on a football pitch .. Only a couple of weeks before his wedding and it ruined his wedding and honeymoon as he had the possibility of terrible news when the results were made clear.


  • #47
    conorh91
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,328 ✭✭✭conorh91


    droidman123 wrote: »
    Why would a 27 yr old need I'd?

    For buying alcohol in Lidl. Flattering bastards.


  • #48
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,916 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    whippet wrote: »
    A bite is a serious thing .. The victim of a bite has to go through fairly scary blood tests and a long wait for an all clear. I know as a mate of mine got bitten on a football pitch .. Only a couple of weeks before his wedding and it ruined his wedding and honeymoon as he had the possibility of terrible news when the results were made clear.

    I got bit on the bicep, this was a guy in a suit/shirt and tie so very little risk of catching anything but i still had to visit the mater hospital every few weeks for blood tests, this went on for 6 months until i got the all clear. Biting someone is one of the scummiest things you can do to anyone.


  • #49
    Little CuChulainn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,624 ✭✭✭Little CuChulainn


    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    I got bit on the bicep, this was a guy in a suit/shirt and tie so very little risk of catching anything but i still had to visit the mater hospital every few weeks for blood tests, this went on for 6 months until i got the all clear. Biting someone is one of the scummiest things you can do to anyone.

    Don't think I'd be lowering the risk for a well dressed man. I'd consider them just as high risk from having something sexually transmitted.


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