Females being Assaulted by bouncers

sa2014 · 15-11-2014 05:00PM #1

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hullaballoo · 15-11-2014 05:18PM

Speak to a solicitor. If what you're saying is true, a solicitor will be able to advise you in terms of your options, whether through the Gardaí or otherwise.

Little CuChulainn · 15-11-2014 05:22PM

I hope the club was worth it. I don't understand why people don't just walk away when they are refused entry. For future reference, you can just note the security guards name and ID number, If they aren't wearing ID then they are breaking the rules set out by the PSA.

As to your predicament. Go to the Garda again and tell him you want to make a statement of complaint for assault. He may not take it there and then but if he doesn't at least make a date to take one then ask to speak to the sergeant. If the sergeant is no use then look for an Inspector. If that doesn't work then you can write to the local Superintendent and you can also make a complaint to GSOC. You can make a complaint to the PSA about the actions of the bouncers. You can make a complaint to the club management in relation to your treatment. You can consult a solicitor with regard to a civil suit against the club and security.

Afroshack · 15-11-2014 08:18PM

Hang on, so you were refused entry to a club and instead of walking away calmly you proceeded to

question the bouncer
argue with the bouncer
take pictures of his face without his permission
threaten complaints
kick and scream
try to bite him
try to have him arrested

If I were you, I'd walk away from this and try not to act like such an insolent child ever again. I'm honestly not surprised he restrained you since you came up smelling of drink, arguing, being aggressive and started taking photos of him when you didn't get your way. You should be mortified!:rolleyes:

endacl · 15-11-2014 08:19PM

Sounds like a crap club. Why go there?

Yawns · 15-11-2014 08:24PM

I wonder what the other side to this story is....

MarkAnthony · 15-11-2014 08:37PM

Im going to open a club, refuse everyone initially and then let them in . In 3 weeks I'm going to retire on by millions and millions from all the people that come in because it seems to me all you have to do to is refuse entry and the place become like **** to flies.

OP if you're refused entry, just go somewhere else. If I turned up on your doorstep you've no obligation to let me in the door, neither has a club unless it's on one of the grounds of discrimination, which arguably this was - if that's the case even more reason not to give them money.

Also this as women bollocks. Nothing sets the course of feminism back more than women themselves. There are women I've met in my time that could floor half of the New Zealand Rugby team and men that are 5'0 and 7 stone.

Sorry for the rant but I really don't get this ridiculous mentality. If you'd walked away, wrote a letter and complained you'd have probably got somewhere, now you're going to be the two 'insert derogatory comment here' that where causing trouble and a bouncer that over reacted is probably going to get away with it yet again because the other side couldn't behave like adults.

OP on reflection I feel the need to add some legal content to my rant.

2.—(1) A person shall be guilty of the offence of assault who, without lawful excuse, intentionally or recklessly—

(a) directly or indirectly applies force to or causes an impact on the body of another, or

(b) causes another to believe on reasonable grounds that he or she is likely immediately to be subjected to any such force or impact,

without the consent of the other.

(2) In subsection (1) (a), “force” includes—

(a) application of heat, light, electric current, noise or any other form of energy, and

(b) application of matter in solid liquid or gaseous form.

(3) No such offence is committed if the force or impact, not being intended or likely to cause injury, is in the circumstances such as is generally acceptable in the ordinary conduct of daily life and the defendant does not know or believe that it is in fact unacceptable to the other person.

(4) A person guilty of an offence under this section shall be liable on summary conviction to a fine not exceeding £1,500 or to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 6 months or to both.

You very probably assaulted the bouncer (or so he will claim) way before anyone touched anyone else. Speaking to a solicitor is a very wise move at this point.

coylemj · 15-11-2014 09:34PM

sa2014 wrote: »

If we were too drunk then the pub would not have kept serving us until closing.

What you appear to be saying is something along the lines of : 'The pub we were in earlier served us xxx number of drinks, therefore we weren't drunk.'

Not buying that, sorry. You can basically get p1ssed in one place but it does not mean that when you move on and show up on somebody else's doorstep that you are ipso facto fit to be served.

The test that's applied outside a nightclub is far stricter than what a busy barman applies when he's serving someone who has been on the premises for several hours. When you're going into a nightclub, they don't expect you to be cold stone sober but they also know that if you're too far gone, you're likely to start messing around and become a nuisance on the premises.

It's far easier for a doorman to refuse a woman at the door than to attempt to eject her after she gets in, partly because woman tend not to go quietly and also because you'll always get the half-pissed (male) hero who will try to intervene on the woman's behalf and make an even bigger mess of things.

You were refused entry, you should have gone home or tried somewhere else.

Zambia · 15-11-2014 10:53PM

hullaballoo wrote: »

Speak to a solicitor. If what you're saying is true, a solicitor will be able to advise you in terms of your options, whether through the Gardaí or otherwise.

This hits the nail on the head.

On a non legal point, this is a tremendous waste of everyone's time .

Zyox · 15-11-2014 11:06PM

sa2014 wrote: »

Hi,
We approached the bouncer at the club and asked did he want to see our i.d

There's your issue right there.

YellowFeather · 15-11-2014 11:22PM

There was a thread in AH about misogyny recently. I read some of it with interest (not all - it was quite long..). I have never experienced misogyny on boards, but posts like this are quite an example of characterising an experience as a sexist issue:

"Females being Assaulted by bouncers"? That's an unusual thread title. Surely your issue is being assaulted by bouncers - not your gender?

And you can't go around biting people!?

sa2014 wrote: »

Two of the bouncer jammed us against a wall for atleast 20minutes.

That sounds very odd. Surely somebody would have noticed / intervened.

meathstevie · 15-11-2014 11:27PM

Not exactly legal advice but still advice, four simple words. Drink less, wise up.

Have you any idea how long twenty minutes is in a fight considering that a messy drunken confrontation seldom lasts longer than one to one and a half minutes.

If you were held in a tight arm lock for such an amount of time your muscles and tendons should still be rattling like the strings on Jimi Hendrix' guitar.

Zyox · 16-11-2014 12:33AM

sa2014 wrote: »

I've been to my doctor and have a haematoma on my arm and bruising etc.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hematoma#
A haematoma *and* a bruise?
You should be studied.

Luke92 · 16-11-2014 12:40AM

Why take pictures saying you are going to complain? They have the right to refuse entry. Why not just move to the next club?

rubberdiddies · 16-11-2014 12:41AM

I don't give a rats how drunk someone is when approaching a nightclub.

If what the OP says is true and she was physically assaulted for taking a picture of the bouncer or even if the OP did give the bouncer verbal abuse he has no right whatsoever to physically attack or restrain her.

If however there is more to this story and the OP or her friend got physical first then that's a different story.

But being drunk or verbally abusive to a bouncer is no grounds for then to lay a finger on the OP.

OP if you feel you are 100% in the right then contact a solicitor.

If however there is even a tiny bit of doubt and you or your friend may have touched/attacked the bouncer first then think before you proceed.

Little CuChulainn · 16-11-2014 12:50AM

Nobody has defended the bouncers. Personally I think you and your partner aggravated the situation unnecessarily and suffered the consequences. By all means go ahead with a criminal and civil complaint but take a life lesson from it too. Don't pick fights with bouncers. You'll never get a good result.

knird evol · 16-11-2014 01:04AM

Do you see the changes in style of speech withing its posts.
At times successfully affecting the passive aggressive, self entitled, spoilt brat and then lazily losing form here and there. At one point going into Now please anyone that does not have more info on my rights etc jog on. You cannot say bouncers do not go on power trips. A bouncer in cork a few years ago murdered a young fella who had consumed 15 pints. He had him in a headlock for too long and suffocated him.

sa2014 · 16-11-2014 01:08AM

knird evol wrote: »

Do you see the changes in style of speech withing its posts.
At times successfully affecting the passive aggressive, self entitled, spoilt brat and then lazily losing form here and there. At one point going into Now please anyone that does not have more info on my rights etc jog on. You cannot say bouncers do not go on power trips. A bouncer in cork a few years ago murdered a young fella who had consumed 15 pints. He had him in a headlock for too long and suffocated him.

When someome calls me a child and not help the issue, I will reply with a smart comment telling them to jog on.

sa2014 · 16-11-2014 01:14AM

A haematoma *and* a bruise?
You should be studied.[/quote]

Did you ever hear of a mistake or are you perfect???. My knees are bruised and my arm has a more severe collection of blood cells where I had gotten a blood test. Doctor said that the bruising from a blood test would not be this severe and it was definately aggravated by the bouncer.

Homer · 16-11-2014 01:16AM

You claimed that there was cctv of the whole incident? If that's the case then why are you even looking for advice? If it happened exactly as you described you simply need to go to the guards and tell them you want to press charges and they will need the cctv as evidence. They will obtain the cctv evidence as part of the prosecution and a judge will decide? Simples

LionelNashe · 16-11-2014 01:23AM

The bouncer would have a completely different version of events if we could ask him. Without being able to hear both sides or see the CCTV this kind of thread is pointless.

Zyox · 16-11-2014 01:28AM

sa2014 wrote: »

Ok I may have escalated the situation by taking a photo, but it is not illegal to do so and the bouncer is only legally allowed remove me from the area after an attempt to ask me to leave. I didnt aggravate the situation. He is going forward against both of us so why shouldnt we back up for ourselves when we have injuries.
My partner didnt touch anybody at all and cannot even work over her injuries I really dont think we should take this lying down. I dont have a criminal record and need a clear record for work so I dont want to take this lying down. Ill just get a solicitor and ask gardai to check CCTV that is proof in itself

Maybe that's the best idea yet. Whatever you do though please keep us updated with the progress. Quite a few of us interested into how this escalated and what the repercussions are.

masonchat · 16-11-2014 01:33AM

I could be wrong , but it sounds like ye got what ye deserved , i would love to see the cctv to judge, the 20min part especially sounds like a load of shi#e.

I have been going to clubs for 20 years i have been in most situations and seen the rest , attitude is everything and sorry but it sounds like you have a bad one, i see more bruises and trips to a+e in your future if you dont lick your wounds and learn your lessons

Tigger · 16-11-2014 01:40AM

Why did you ask the bouncers if they wanted to see id

16-11-2014 01:48AM

sa2014 wrote: »

Because he would not let us in.

Theres too many details in your story, no way anyone could remember all those things. I put it to you that your a liar and a fantasiser!

Zyox · 16-11-2014 01:48AM

sa2014 wrote: »

Because he would not let us in.

So he wouldn't let you in before you asked if he wanted to see I.D.?

Tigger · 16-11-2014 01:50AM

sa2014 wrote: »

Because he would not let us in.

After the pub We approached the bouncer at the club and asked did he want to see our i.d. He said no

You are confusing me
Did he say you can't come in and then ye proffered the id
Or did ye turn up and offer id

16-11-2014 01:51AM

Why would a 27 yr old need I'd?

masonchat · 16-11-2014 01:53AM

sa2014 wrote: »

I dont have an attitude, sorry now but I couldn't check my phone for the actual amount of time as I was restained! but I know it was long enough nd that I shouldn't have been restrained in the first place..

From reading YOUR side of the story it comes across that you do, i would hate to hear the bouncers side.

If it happened as you say, then its a bizzar incident, why would they restrain ye for 20 min.

If i was to read between the lines , i would guess you are exaggerating the lenght of time to justify you biting him
, also the only reason you were restrained at all is because you tried to haul him off your friend , commendable but you can see why you were restrained ?

thats me just reading between the lines

Tigger · 16-11-2014 02:04AM

sa2014 wrote: »

He said we cant come in its student night and i said we are students does he want to see I.d.

He was being tactful

Zyox · 16-11-2014 02:24AM

They shouldn't need I.d.

To let a person into a club,

Females being Assaulted by bouncers

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