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**ALL THINGS IRISH WATER/WATER RELATED** Part 2 - MOD WARNING IN OP

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 759 ✭✭✭twowheelsgood


    Stargate wrote: »
    if your so adamant on what you say , why don't you go here and make your point.
    Er, because if he is right, he will get a bit of a seeing to, won't he? No?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14,380 ✭✭✭✭Banjo String


    I do not want to pay for water in any way
    Once again, a reply that seems to have little relation to what is quoted. A poster suggested that the pro side are very firmly on the pro side (fairly true) and I suggested that the very same applies to the anti side (also fairly true), And you came back with ^^^^^ ????
    Ah, now. If you had continued to play the ball and addressed the point that was put to you instead of playing to the crowd, to continue the analogy, we might be still having our kick around …:(

    Is this your way of admitting that no one (well me anyway) suggested you were a "shill"?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,636 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    I'm not usually one for conspiracy theories, but to he'll with it, I'm gonna throw this one out here.

    A week or two ago, we had Enda Kenny attending an appointment near Santry (Northwood) which is on Dublin's North side, and quite close to the scene of numerous protests, some of which successfully ended water meter installation in the areas.

    Of course, Endas car was surrounded, protesters pepper sprayed, and an end result was Coolock Garda Station being surrounded by a group of people chanting.

    That was the first of the "dissident republican" accusations to be trotted out.

    Today then, we have the Tánaiste heading in to Jobstown, apparently to announce some election campaign fundraiser.

    Jobstown, a working class area, Prob ninety percent of them would have been Labour voters, and they've witnessed the champagne socialists rip up pretty much every pre-election promise made, and rabbite, Gilmore, and Joan sneer at people, while they cut another service, or introduce another levy.

    Unsurprisingly, Joans car gets surrounded by an angry mob (which their seems to be no shortage of these days)

    Must set my alarm for early in the morning, cant wait on the Indos take on things.

    My money is on either Al Qaeda, ISIS, Or the KKK now to have alleged links to the protests.

    The clock is ticking FG and Labour. Not long left.

    I think this is a conspiracy theory. Since you don't seem to know the reason she was where she was.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14,380 ✭✭✭✭Banjo String


    I do not want to pay for water in any way
    Having watched the tuggery behaviour on tv irish water now gets my full backing.

    Makes sense. :o


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 954 ✭✭✭Highflyer13


    I do not want to pay for water in any way
    You have some arrogance to tell me what my dreams are. FG were given a silk purse and turned it into a sows ear just like FF before them. If SF get into power it will be Kennys and Burtons fault and no-one elses. I am not going to keep voting for incompetents and undemocratic tyrants with no mandate. This is like when FF were board stuffing in the last days before they left. When the dogs in the street knew they were in the eyes of the people unwelcome in Leinster House.

    Now SF faces daily propaganda about rape etc. An unending drip drip of propaganda in fact. However I have yet to hear of FG accusing FF of colluding for decades with the cover-up of endemic child abuse and rape in religious institutions in the Republic of Ireland. So get off your high horse. It doesnt suit you. I will vote for anyone who respects democracy and accountability as my first priority. There can be no recovery of the state without democracy and accountability. The thieves and liars in Leinster House arent doing it for us.

    Well said, I find it sickening to see Mairia Cahill being used as a political football by parties who have historically had a part to play in the many abuse scandals over the years. People are seeing right through it.


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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I would like to see IW to cease trading and water to remain controlled by government/local auth
    Own goal for the protestors today in my humble opinion


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,616 ✭✭✭masculinist


    I do not want to pay for water in any way
    If we would live in a democracy there would be elections now, but we live in a republic .

    None of this makes government any less immoral and ignorant of the will of the people.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,199 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    I would like to see IW to cease trading and water to remain controlled by government/local auth
    Stargate wrote: »
    So no scumbags at the Galway protest , only scumbags at the Tallaght protest ?

    The Galway protest was a peaceful one, no trouble at it, hope that clears up any confusion.

    I really don't see how trying to get at her in the car is seen as ok, it is scumbag behaviour and achieves nothing.

    How would you like it if it was your wife or daughter in the car?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,680 ✭✭✭Stargate


    I do not want to pay for water in any way
    Er, because if he is right, he will get a bit of a seeing to, won't he? No?

    No twowheelsgood , there you go assuming things . Overall protests HAVE been peaceful , and i hope and pray they stay that way for everybody's sake . He could get shouted out of it , or pushed around like the protesters do , but that comes with the territory don't ya think?

    The point i was trying to make is generalizing people as scumbags does not help imho .


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,878 ✭✭✭arse..biscuits


    I agree with metered water charges
    cisk wrote: »

    The article doesn't say that, read it again.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,341 ✭✭✭El Horseboxo


    I do not want to pay for water in any way
    Having watched the tuggery behaviour on tv irish water now gets my full backing.

    That's kinda like when I moved from the bloods to the crips.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14,380 ✭✭✭✭Banjo String


    I do not want to pay for water in any way
    I think this is a conspiracy theory. Since you don't seem to know the reason she was where she was.

    Nor care.

    But she was, where she was. Jobstown.


    I bet Joan ain't surprised she got the reception she got. In fact, I think they anticipated it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,196 ✭✭✭✭How Soon Is Now


    All you have to do is have a look at some of these water protest facebook pages and you will see the kinda yokes that are supporting this anti government crap thats been going on in Ireland for a while now.

    See thats the thing a lot of different everyday people from all classes and areas are protesting in the right way and are standing up for what they believe in and ive no issue with that. I personally think its pointless but at end the day its there choice and fair play.

    The problem is theres a major amount of scumbags from working class areas jumping on this bandwagon now and giving whoever stands in there way hassle.

    They dont give a **** weather its a water charge or a property tax they just dont want to pay it for the sake of it. Weather the government and the gardai deserve it or not theres a huge thug mentality towards them now and its obviously much worse when there thrown into holes like Jobstown.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,325 ✭✭✭✭branie2


    Reminds me of the London Riots a few years back


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,670 ✭✭✭jonnny68


    I agree with metered water charges
    When will the election be? SF will probably be the biggest loser from the current unrest. If we accept that the three old main parties will be wiped out. It happened in the recent two by elections where SF were favourites but they lost out in both.


    Independents and the Socialist Party and People before profit will make huge gains i think, i genuinely feel this time that people have finally woken up and seen that there is no point in this vicious merry go around involving FF /FG/LAB as they are all the same,there really is absolutely no difference at all, they are all equally as bad as each other, personally ill vote either People before profit or Socialist party, i might not necessarily agree with absolutely everything they stand for,one things for sure though, they wont impose austerity after austerity and bail the bankers out at the expense of Irish people not to mention scrap this shambles that is Irish water.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,567 ✭✭✭Red Pepper


    I do not want to pay for water in any way
    Now SF faces daily propaganda about rape etc. An unending drip drip of propaganda in fact. However I have yet to hear of FG accusing FF of colluding for decades with the cover-up of endemic child abuse and rape in religious institutions in the Republic of Ireland.
    `

    Fair point, I have emailed 2 ministers and 1 TD about the timing of the terms of reference for the Mother and Baby inquiry and all I got was fob offs and excuses. They were supposed to deal with this before the summer recess.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,416 ✭✭✭sjb25


    I would like to see IW to cease trading and water to remain controlled by government/local auth
    The way I see it is protesting is ok fair play to them all

    Blocking a road by sitting or whatever is not ok it's against the public order act in fact

    Not compling with the directions of a Garda is not ok weather u agree with them or not

    Throwing whatever and running after that wagon it's what she is but that's still not ok

    That protest may of started peacefully and for very valid reasons but it did not end up that way


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,680 ✭✭✭Stargate


    I do not want to pay for water in any way

    I really don't see how trying to get at her in the car is seen as ok, it is scumbag behaviour and achieves nothing.
    So my question stands so we are clear . The protesters are scumbags according to you ?

    As said earlier , i said it was foolish for her to go to Jobstown , but it has also been said Galwayguy " I bet Joan ain't surprised she got the reception she got. In fact, I think they anticipated it. "

    But heck by your valuation i am a scumbag too because i protest. Hardly fair now is it ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,636 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    jonnny68 wrote: »
    Independents and the Socialist Party and People before profit will make huge gains i think, i genuinely feel this time that people have finally woken up and seen that there is no point in this vicious merry go around involving FF /FG/LAB as they are all the same,there really is absolutely no difference at all, they are all equally as bad as each other, personally ill vote either People before profit or Socialist party, i might not necessarily agree with absolutely everything they stand for,one things for sure though, they wont impose austerity after austerity and bail the bankers out at the expense of Irish people not to mention scrap this shambles that is Irish water.

    That sounds a bit Dublin centric. I don't think those groups are even organised in most areas outside Dublin. Plenty of Independents of all sorts, Kerry is full of Healy-Raes.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,109 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    I would like Irish Water as a company to remain in it's current form
    Paul Murphy to scum/"protesters" - "we have agree we will let her go if...."

    Who the hell does he think he is?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,670 ✭✭✭jonnny68


    I agree with metered water charges
    That sounds a bit Dublin centric. I don't think those groups are even organised in most areas outside Dublin. Plenty of Independents of all sorts, Kerry is full of Healy-Raes.


    you'd be surprised mate, whilst the Socialist party and PBP might be stronger in Dublin they would still command much support throughout the country.

    We seriously need a radical alternative to these parasites,there's absolutely no sense at all in this vicious merry go around, it's the same all the time, they promise the sun moon and stars and the minute they take office they renege on every promise they ever make,,frankly im amazed anyone could vote for these parasites again after the last 7 years,major major change is needed and asap!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,567 ✭✭✭Red Pepper


    I do not want to pay for water in any way
    This rent-a-mob scenes on TV in Dublin and Moan Burton being trapped is not helping the anti-IW cause. I wish they would leave the protesting to the big organised days.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,432 ✭✭✭hju6


    I do not want to pay for water in any way
    Paul Murphy to scum/"protesters" - "we have agree we will let her go if...."

    Who the hell does he think he is?

    is that post in code ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,680 ✭✭✭Stargate


    I do not want to pay for water in any way
    Paul Murphy to scum/"protesters" - "we have agree we will let her go if...."

    Who the hell does he think he is?

    How many votes did you get in the last election?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,203 ✭✭✭moxin


    I do not want to pay for water in any way
    Burton is a troll of the highest order, going to areas where there is the strongest objection so as to get a violent reaction from a tiny minority so the govt can tarnish the majority who oppose the water tax.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,230 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    I would like to see IW to cease trading and water to remain controlled by government/local auth
    Paul Murphy to scum/"protesters" - "we have agree we will let her go if...."

    Who the hell does he think he is?

    He's on dodgy ground if his Facebook page is anything to go by. I'm pretty sure 'blocking someone in' isn't a legal act
    Joan Burton blocked in by peaceful protesters in Jobstown. Come down to join protest if you can.

    I'm all for protests but this **** plays right into the hands of who they are aimed at


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,285 ✭✭✭Yggr of Asgard


    I would like to see IW to cease trading and water to remain controlled by government/local auth
    I am really disappointed with the role An Garda Síochána is playing in this. Yes, they got forced into this mess but they should have more integrity and go after law breakers on both sites of the spectrum.

    Why are they not going after the Irish water contractors that are clearly engaging in criminal behaviour (as shown on videos yesterday)? Now you can argue that the individual property owner did handle this not to the best but the contractors were clearly trespassing and using force while doing so.

    Also how can they allow a senior cabinet minister to be illegally detained for several hours by a mob? Her close protection officer needs to be relegated to traffic warden for allowing this to happen, he is not fit to be detective in the special detectives unit.

    Nothing against peaceful protest but stopping someone from going their way is not peaceful, especially when it involved hamming a car.

    There is a difference in standing on the site of the street shouting slogans and waving signs (peaceful) and surrounding a car, hammering on it and throwing objects at Gardaí. This whole scene reminds me of a Lynch Mob. I don’t like Joan Burton (and it was foolish to go to such a hotspot in the first place) but that must have been a bad experience for her. The participants of this mob are losing their argument if even conservatives like me are feeling bad for labour party people.

    It’s a sad state of affair that we have now mobs on the street that think they can do whatever they want while simultaneous having another mob running the country as they want (or rather doing as they have been told by their masters).


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 525 ✭✭✭guapos


    Stargate wrote: »
    So my question stands so we are clear . The protesters are scumbags according to you ?

    As said earlier , i said it was foolish for her to go to Jobstown , but it has also been said Galwayguy " I bet Joan ain't surprised she got the reception she got. In fact, I think they anticipated it. "

    But heck by your valuation i am a scumbag too because i protest. Hardly fair now is it ?

    Anyone trying to get at her is a scumbag, surely you cant deny that? Peaceful protests are needed what we are getting now isn't. Standing on the road stopping her car from leaving would have done the same job, surrounding her car in a menacing fashion is what scumbags do. Protesters should distance themselves from this behaviour not support it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,670 ✭✭✭jonnny68


    I agree with metered water charges
    Quite clearly RTE are always going to take the side of the Government and never tell it as it is and after clever editing make it look as if the protesters are all thugs hell bent on trouble when the truth is anything but, sure i acknowledge that there may be a tiny element out to cause trouble,but 99% of the protesters are not but of course RTE are never going to paint the protesters in any sort of positive light, sure they tried to say there was only something like 40,000 at the first protest when there was 3 times that amount.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,318 ✭✭✭Tinkersbell


    I do not want to pay for water in any way
    My point was that the air tax will have to be a tax because air can't be metered or rationed. A sort of VAT on air.

    What do you think of the argument that the water charge will go up? Some people on the thread think it will. One of them said it will be €1500 to €2000 a year on average. But he didn't say where he got the figures from.

    That was me.
    As I said, bin charges went from €1.80 to €9.50.
    Going by that almost 10 fold increase in 10 years, I stand by my figures.
    Come back to me then.


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