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Local Thug Died

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  • #92
    Cantremember
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,305 ✭✭✭Cantremember


    conorh91 wrote: »
    And I think your post makes me glad that you don't influence the system of justice applied in Ireland.

    Which part of it? That I'm old and can't defend myself anymore? Or the state has failed in it's duty to protect its citizens?


  • #93
    conorh91
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,328 ✭✭✭conorh91


    Cantremember wrote: »
    Which part of it? That I'm old and can't defend myself anymore? Or the state has failed in it's duty to protect its citizens?
    Listen, you waded into an exchange where I was defining "survivors".

    You're the only one who keeps bringing yourself or your relatives into this. Not I. I'm not interested in this exchange any more, nor its confusing, moving goalposts as per the above.


  • #94
    Cantremember
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,305 ✭✭✭Cantremember


    conorh91 wrote: »
    Listen, you waded into an exchange where I was defining "survivors".

    You're the only one who keeps bringing yourself or your relatives into this. Not I. I'm not interested in this exchange any more, nor its constantly moving goalposts.

    You need to read what you wrote.


  • #95
    conorh91
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,328 ✭✭✭conorh91


    Cantremember wrote: »
    You need to read what you wrote.

    I did. Then I pressed post. Bye now.


  • #96
    Cantremember
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,305 ✭✭✭Cantremember


    conorh91 wrote: »
    I did. Then I pressed post. Bye now.

    No you didn't. I'll spend a little time to help you.


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  • #97
    Chunners
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 424 ✭✭Chunners


    conorh91 wrote: »
    And I think your post makes me glad that you don't influence the system of justice applied in Ireland.


    In all fairness if there really was a "system of justice" in Ireland then that dead dick would have been locked up a long time ago and probably wouldn't be dead now, it is that lack of system of justice that let him off all this time when really what he needed was a good kick in the arse, just saying like


  • #98
    conorh91
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,328 ✭✭✭conorh91


    Chunners wrote: »
    In all fairness if there really was a "system of justice" in Ireland then that dead dick would have been locked up a long time ago
    Yeah, life sentences for all crimes, etc etc etc


  • #99
    Cantremember
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,305 ✭✭✭Cantremember


    Quote:

    I'm glad to hear all of your relatives are God-fearing and upstanding, loved by all.


    There's you bringing my relatives into it.


  • #100
    Chunners
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 424 ✭✭Chunners


    conorh91 wrote: »
    Yeah, life sentences for all crimes, etc etc etc

    "bullying, terrorising, beatings and assaults, drug use, robbery, vandalism" where do you draw the line?


  • #101
    Cantremember
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,305 ✭✭✭Cantremember


    That didn't take long.


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  • #102
    Egginacup
    Site Banned Posts: 2,922 ✭✭✭Egginacup


    Lord Trollington wrote: »
    Basically a lad from my home town, in his mid 20's died this week due to various complications caused by long term hard drug use.

    He had many convictions, armed robbery & assault to name but a few and spent time in prison.

    He was an active thug and outright scummer up until the complications started several months ago. Not a weekend would go by where him or one of his cronies would assault someone outside one of the many bars they were barred from after closing. He is from a long line of thugs and many of his midnight buddies he's left behind I would imagine are still strung out on the same hard drugs that killed him at this moment.

    What I cannot get my head around is the outpouring of grief from a lot of people from the town on social media, very respected business people too. Not 6/7 years ago did he use a hand gun to rob the local mace holding up a young girl from the town with a gun, the shop shortly after closed because of it.

    I have had little or no dealings with him in 10 years. But maybe my thought process is tainted as my last dealing with him was a headbut which i received when I was 17.

    Am I being harsh or does an unbelievably filthy past one of bullying, terrorising, beatings and assaults, drug use, robbery, vandalism and many many more be forgiven just like that?

    Are you happy that he's dead?


  • #103
    Chunners
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 424 ✭✭Chunners


    Cantremember wrote: »
    That didn't take long.

    I still want to know where he draws the line, I mean he seems to think that assault should not be a punishable offense


  • #104
    The Backwards Man
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,299 ✭✭✭✭The Backwards Man


    A few months ago a fella who was quite the bane of my life a decade or so ago went out in a blaze of glory on the Dutch/German border in a frenzy that made international headlines.

    He was bad news, his whole family were bad news, I had run ins with them all, it's safe to say I hated them.

    But the only emotion I felt on learning of his death was disappointment, both at the ones fawning sympathy over his passing, and those taking delight in it.

    People are a funny breed, of that there is no doubt.


  • #105
    Volvoair
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 133 ✭✭Volvoair


    mrsbyrne wrote: »
    God only takes the best
    Best bed in heaven to him
    Heaven gained another angle

    would that be a 90 or 45 degree angle .....


  • #106
    conorh91
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,328 ✭✭✭conorh91


    Chunners wrote: »
    "bullying, terrorising, beatings and assaults, drug use, robbery, vandalism" where do you draw the line?
    I don't. The courts do. The courts dispose of hundreds of thousands of prosecutions annually.

    You seem to be having difficulty in distinguishing between a prosecution and a funeral. A funeral does not exist to lay down, in stark detail, the wrongs of an accused person. A funeral is typically part of the grieving process for a family who lived independently of another grown adult, for whose wrongs they are not liable. They simply want to grieve their relative in peace. Funerals are for them. Not for the dead. Not for you.


  • #107
    Cantremember
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,305 ✭✭✭Cantremember


    The Backwards Man wrote: »
    A few months ago a fella who was quite the bane of my life a decade or so ago went out in a blaze of glory on the Dutch/German border in a frenzy that made international headlines.

    He was bad news, his whole family were bad news, I had run ins with them all, it's safe to say I hated them.

    But the only emotion I felt on learning of his death was disappointment, both at the ones fawning sympathy over his passing, and those taking delight in it.

    People are a funny breed, of that there is no doubt.

    Why do you describe a blaze of glory? Did he discover a cure for cancer?


  • #108
    Cee-Jay-Cee
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,234 ✭✭✭✭Cee-Jay-Cee


    The Backwards Man wrote: »
    A few months ago a fella who was quite the bane of my life a decade or so ago went out in a blaze of glory on the Dutch/German border in a frenzy that made international headlines.

    He was bad news, his whole family were bad news, I had run ins with them all, it's safe to say I hated them.

    But the only emotion I felt on learning of his death was disappointment, both at the ones fawning sympathy over his passing, and those taking delight in it.

    People are a funny breed, of that there is no doubt.

    I know the person your talking about and I coukfnt understand why there was such a big turn out at his funeral. I wouldn't have crossed the road to go to it, he terrorised everyone he ever had contact with. The county is a better place without him, now if we could just get rid of his brother!!


  • #109
    Chunners
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 424 ✭✭Chunners


    Egginacup wrote: »
    Are you happy that he's dead?

    "Happy" is an incorrect word and implies joy, no one is happy people are just relieved because he is one less person on the streets who they have to worry about stabbing/mugging them. Ift took his death to achieve that then so be it, no one here forced him into the lifestyle he chose to put him in that situation


  • #110
    One eyed Jack
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,439 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack


    Chunners wrote: »
    No sweetheart it is not a "lack of perspective" it is a lack of empathy, I have no reason to feel empathy for people who cry about cu*ts that they know in their hearts, dead or not, were cu*ts. My 12 year old brother died of cancer, he did not deserve to die, in all his life he never hurt anyone. Now I can feel empathy for his parents because they are my parents too and I can feel empathy for all the other parents in his ward who watched their kids die and the kids did nothing but be born but I can't feel empathy for the parents of some scumbag who they ignored the actions of and then expected the whole of society to cry about when he died considering the fact that when he was alive all he did was bring misery to others. Prove me wrong, tell me one (only one) altruistic act he ever did that would make him deserve our respect


    He died.

    By dying you could learn from his death that you still have a choice between being or becoming the bitter and twisted person he was, or, you can choose to be a better person and learn from their death that you still have a chance to forgive someone their mistakes and misdeeds, and not let their bitterness become your burden.

    Or, you could simply default to calling then a cnut, like that'll actually change anything. It'll have far more of an effect on you than it will on the person who has died.


    Happy now? You did only ask for one altruistic act, and because I'm sure it wasn't his choice to die, you could say his death was an altruistic act in itself as it has shown you something about yourself that might be worth you reflecting upon.


  • #111
    The Backwards Man
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    Cee-Jay-Cee wrote: »
    I know the person your talking about and I coukfnt understand why there was such a big turn out at his funeral. I wouldn't have crossed the road to go to it, he terrorised everyone he ever had contact with. The county is a better place without him, now if we could just get rid of his brother!!

    Maybe, but there's no way I could take delight in anybody's death, at most mildly sympathetic apathy. I know there's plenty of bad bastards in the world, but I firmly believe not one single person was born that way.

    Some poor fcukers just don't have a chance.


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  • #112
    Its Only Ray Parlour
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 393 ✭✭Its Only Ray Parlour


    The Backwards Man wrote: »
    Maybe, but there's no way I could take delight in anybody's death, at most mildly sympathetic apathy. I know there's plenty of bad bastards in the world, but I firmly believe not one single person was born that way.

    Some poor fcukers just don't have a chance.

    Why was he the bane of you existence? What did he do to you?


  • #113
    Chunners
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 424 ✭✭Chunners


    conorh91 wrote: »
    I don't. The courts do. The courts dispose of hundreds of thousands of prosecutions annually.

    You seem to be having difficulty in distinguishing between a prosecution and a funeral. A funeral does not exist to lay down, in stark detail, the wrongs of an accused person. A funeral is typically part of the grieving process for a family who lived independently of another grown adult, for whose wrongs they are not liable. They simply want to grieve their relative in peace. Funerals are for them. Not for the dead. Not for you.

    I know full well what a funeral is and I know full well how people involved can pepper the truth. Grieving is all well and good but for crap sake don't lie when you are doing it, I mean are funerals not held in churches and are churches not the house of god so if you are having a funeral are you not asking god to take that persons soul so lying or pretending you don't know the full truth is not going to endear you to god now is it?


  • #114
    The Backwards Man
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    Its Only Ray Parlour wrote: »
    Why was he the bane of you existence? What did he do to you?
    Without giving away to much, you know The Ten Commandments?

    Well, he broke every single one of them.


  • #115
    myshirt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,245 ✭✭✭myshirt


    The Backwards Man wrote: »
    Without giving away to much, you know The Ten Commandments?

    Well, he broke every single one of them.

    Including the secret 11th Commandment? No division by zero.


  • #116
    Chunners
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 424 ✭✭Chunners


    One eyed Jack wrote: »
    He died.

    By dying you could learn from his death that you still have a choice between being or becoming the bitter and twisted person he was, or, you can choose to be a better person and learn from their death that you still have a chance to forgive someone their mistakes and misdeeds, and not let their bitterness become your burden.

    Or, you could simply default to calling then a cnut, like that'll actually change anything. It'll have far more of an effect on you than it will on the person who has died.


    Happy now? You did only ask for one altruistic act, and because I'm sure it wasn't his choice to die, you could say his death was an altruistic act in itself as it has shown you something about yourself that might be worth you reflecting upon.

    His death was not an altruistic act and taught me nothing more than he deserved to die, really he was asking for it.As for me being bitter no mess no one has ever said that before lol


  • #117
    Cantremember
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    The Backwards Man wrote: »
    Maybe, but there's no way I could take delight in anybody's death, at most mildly sympathetic apathy. I know there's plenty of bad bastards in the world, but I firmly believe not one single person was born that way.

    Some poor fcukers just don't have a chance.

    The poor fcukers who don't have a chance are the ones they meet.
    I equally firmly believe that a proportion of them are born that way.


  • #118
    endacl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,443 ✭✭✭✭endacl


    Ari Straight Rave wrote: »
    That sh1te drives me bonkers. When I die, I hope at least one person will have the balls to come out and say I was an auld b1tch....

    I'll say it now, coz I'm safe here on the internet like!

    Y'auld b1tch ye.

    :pac:


  • #119
    One eyed Jack
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,439 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack


    Chunners wrote: »
    His death was not an altruistic act and taught me nothing more than he deserved to die, really he was asking for it. As for me being bitter no mess no one has ever said that before lol


    I don't think you would say to someone while they were alive that they deserve to die either.


  • #120
    The Backwards Man
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,299 ✭✭✭✭The Backwards Man


    Cantremember wrote: »
    The poor fcukers who don't have a chance are the ones they meet.
    I equally firmly believe that a proportion of them are born that way.

    Yeah I totally agree, that's where my sympathies ultimately lie too.


    But at the same time, you write someone off from the day they are born, what fcuking chance are they gonna have?

    Some of the most decent people I know came from the worst backgrounds, some of the worst from the most decent.


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  • #121
    myshirt
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    Backwards Man, you are correct.

    This is a tradegy on all fronts and it is somewhat as simple as this - you either spend the money at the start, or you spend it at the end. You choose. And we chose golf courses, bonuses and an overpaid civil service.

    Put the money into education and communities when vulnerable kids are young, or put it on deposit to have ready for the prison system in 18 years.

    Very much doubt many posters here have first hand knowledge of socioeconomic disadvantage and what it churns out. The level of disadvantage faced by some, I'm surprised the success rate of getting out of it isn't lower than the 5% or so that it is. But that is human resilience.

    Some balls to come on here and expect good outcomes for kids that didn't come within an asses roar of equality of opportunity in life, and grew up in an entirely different day to day world than most people know. Do a switcheroo with any of you high horse brigade and you wouldn't last a week lads. You really wouldn't. Ya haven't a rashers.

    Celebrating any young lad's death is disgusting. And as were his crimes. None of this was a good outcome.


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