Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread - See Mod Warning in OP, 09/11

The_Kew_Tour · 08-11-2014 10:05PM

kryogen wrote: »

What you are doing is actually changing what you said, while still defending the original post, in all its glorious hyperbole, which is....well you know what that is.

Anyway I'm done

I didn't change a thing.

The context of posts were still the same, but you know that.

We were poor just like last season in my eyes. Just on today's game. Don't worry i still accept its going take time. Don't worry not rolled over to dark side yet.

Billy86 · 08-11-2014 10:09PM

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

We did enough of that against West Ham and Everton tbf.

What do they have to do with today's match, though? By the way Everton beat us home and away last year.

Cantona's Collars · 08-11-2014 10:10PM

For the first time this season we capitalised on Liverpool fecking up.

RichFTW · 08-11-2014 10:19PM

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Parking the Bus you would swear that was a new invention or something.

I don't expect anything really other then a good performance.

Is that too much to ask these days?

Hard to give a good performance when you're playing against a team with 10 men in their half the whole time waiting for a counter.

We're probably lucky they didn't look to attack too much as we had 3 midfielders in defence at one stage! A clean sheet with a makeshift defence is a good performance for me anyway.

Comparing today to last year's level of bad is a bit disingenuous though. The 2-0 loss against Everton and the 2-0 loss against Olympiakos were probably the worst United performances I have ever seen. That's what I think of when I think of last year's bad. Today was mediocre but 3 points. No comparison.

kryogen · 08-11-2014 10:23PM

zerks wrote: »

For the first time this season we capitalised on Liverpool fecking up.

Get used to it buddy

Rayne Wooney · 08-11-2014 10:26PM

Liverpool will get better when Sturridge is back, we can't afford any more slip ups against the smaller teams

DM_7 · 08-11-2014 10:41PM

Mata has 9 goals in 22 games. Has a great ability to get onto things created by Di Maria and Rooney as well as create for them.

United need to get him into the team for these games and also free up Di Maria more.

Obviously when the defence is so unsettled that is hard to do as you need to protect them with a less fluid shape and some extra graft in midfield so it couldn't really happen today.

08-11-2014 11:39PM

RichFTW wrote: »

Hard to give a good performance when you're playing against a team with 10 men in their half the whole time waiting for a counter.

We're probably lucky they didn't look to attack too much as we had 3 midfielders in defence at one stage! A clean sheet with a makeshift defence is a good performance for me anyway.

Comparing today to last year's level of bad is a bit disingenuous though. The 2-0 loss against Everton and the 2-0 loss against Olympiakos were probably the worst United performances I have ever seen. That's what I think of when I think of last year's bad. Today was mediocre but 3 points. No comparison.

A 2-0 loss against a team of Everton's quality or a 5-3 loss to someone of Leicester quality? Not something I'd put above that especially after the money spent. The last year was bad enough without people trying to make it sound worse than it was. It's been pretty much the same this season with far more investment if not quality in the team. Another supposed turning point today and were still rubbish for most of it.

It should be better by now I feel. The supposed better style people talk about is yet to really show it's face imo and Fellaini has been a godsend the last few games and made a huge difference.

titan18 · 08-11-2014 11:53PM

We've spent 150m and are worse off for the same games than we were last season, playing crap, constantly down players due to injury (I don't believe it's just bad luck) and our best player lately has been the guy everyone called a flop last season.

If you're all happy with that, good luck, cos that's not United standards. LVG continues like this (and I'm not seeing much to convince me it won't turn around lately), he deserves to be fcuked out like Moyes was.

Billy86 · 08-11-2014 11:55PM

Liam O wrote: »

A 2-0 loss against a team of Everton's quality or a 5-3 loss to someone of Leicester quality? Not something I'd put above that especially after the money spent. The last year was bad enough without people trying to make it sound worse than it was. It's been pretty much the same this season with far more investment if not quality in the team. Another supposed turning point today and were still rubbish for most of it.

It should be better by now I feel. The supposed better style people talk about is yet to really show it's face imo and Fellaini has been a godsend the last few games and made a huge difference.

Hold on, what? We beat Everton 2-1. I know you like Moyes a lot for whatever reasons, but let's not forget the actual results of the season.

Also, replace Ferdinand/Vidic at the back with McNair/Smalling/Blackett/Rojo/Evan/Jones on a constant conveyor belt of injuries. Both of those players left in large part because of Moyes. You can't bring up money spent in midfield and attack without bringing up the in the backline either. On top of Carrick being injured - and today again he showed how much of an important, experienced and calming presence he can be for a young defence with a lot of new signings ahead of them.

As for "far more investment if not quality" ...
Di Maria or Nani?
Herrera or Anderson?
Blind or (post sickness) Fletcher?
Falcao or Welbeck? (and I've been one of Welbeck's biggest fans for a while)
Shaw or Evra? (right now a push probably to be fair, but one is 19 and the other is 33)

And don't try going crediting Moyes for Fellaini, because he was completely brutal at this level until LVG started getting him to play as he has done the last 2-3 games, and while vastly improved on how he had been in that time he has still been a laughable distance from a "Godsend".

kryogen · 08-11-2014 11:58PM

titan18 wrote: »

We've spent 150m and are worse off for the same games than we were last season, playing crap, constantly down players due to injury (I don't believe it's just bad luck) and our best player lately has been the guy everyone called a flop last season.

If you're all happy with that, good luck, cos that's not United standards. LVG continues like this (and I'm not seeing much to convince me it won't turn around lately), he deserves to be fcuked out like Moyes was.

Its a shame what last season did to some people you know.

J. Marston · 09-11-2014 12:04AM

zerks wrote: »

For the first time this season we capitalised on Liverpool fecking up.

That's nothing to faff about.

Faff faff faff.

K4t · 09-11-2014 12:35AM

titan18 wrote: »

We've spent 150m and are worse off for the same games than we were last season, playing crap, constantly down players due to injury (I don't believe it's just bad luck) and our best player lately has been the guy everyone called a flop last season.

If you're all happy with that, good luck, cos that's not United standards. LVG continues like this (and I'm not seeing much to convince me it won't turn around lately), he deserves to be fcuked out like Moyes was.

I'm not Van Gaal's biggest fan and disagree with a lot of his decisions, strongly, but he seems to believe in what he's doing and it's a bit unfair to compare him with Moyes' Utd until he has reached the stage of Moyes' tenure, and even then I would be weary due to the increased competitiveness of some other mid table clubs. January to May is the real test for LVG. If we are not at least in the hunt for CL qualification, I find it hard to see how people will defend him after the money spent and transfer decisions made.

RichFTW · 09-11-2014 12:41AM

Liam O wrote: »

A 2-0 loss against a team of Everton's quality or a 5-3 loss to someone of Leicester quality? Not something I'd put above that especially after the money spent. The last year was bad enough without people trying to make it sound worse than it was. It's been pretty much the same this season with far more investment if not quality in the team. Another supposed turning point today and were still rubbish for most of it.

It should be better by now I feel. The supposed better style people talk about is yet to really show it's face imo and Fellaini has been a godsend the last few games and made a huge difference.

I'm talking about performance though. The 2-0 Everton performance was way worse than the Leicester performance. The Leicester loss was more of a defensive cave in while the Everton game was devoid of any passion or tactics whatsoever.

Anyway I'm not defending LVG, I'm still undecided as I expected more given the money spent. Some of his decisions & tactics have annoyed me too. Today however was no where near as bad as last year. We do look better going forward this year, which is to be expected given the money. Defence is as shaky as last year but at least we have younger players getting experience and making mistakes rather than a finished Evra & Ferdinand.

glued · 09-11-2014 01:08AM

Not a good display but the 3 points were important. I'm not sure what system van Gaal wants to play. With the injuries and lack of consistency in tactics it must be hard for the players to adjust.

So far it's certainly not nearly good enough but this is something that is going to need time. We could be seeing a lot of new faces between now and the end of the summer.

Al Capwned · 09-11-2014 01:09AM

K4t wrote: »

I'm not Van Gaal's biggest fan and disagree with a lot of his decisions, strongly, but he seems to believe in what he's doing and it's a bit unfair to compare him with Moyes' Utd until he has reached the stage of Moyes' tenure, and even then I would be weary due to the increased competitiveness of some other mid table clubs. January to May is the real test for LVG. If we are not at least in the hunt for CL qualification, I find it hard to see how people will defend him after the money spent and transfer decisions made.

Are we now considered a mid-table club in your mind?
Not a chance mate.

Al Capwned · 09-11-2014 01:12AM

Just an observation - I loved two of the reactions that I seen today.

One was Mata's when he scored, and the other was de Gea's after the mess up between the CB's to allow Campbell's effort that went over the bar.

Vertigo100 · 09-11-2014 01:30AM

Al Capwned wrote: »

Just an observation - I loved two of the reactions that I seen today.

One was Mata's when he scored, and the other was de Gea's after the mess up between the CB's to allow Campbell's effort that went over the bar.

Thanking not enough. I really enjoyed those two moments as well. May I add shaws run and shot to that. He's gonna be a fantastic player.

KH25 · 09-11-2014 04:16AM

Missed the game so not in a position to comment. Good to get the 3 points though. Delighted for Mata.

J. Marston · 09-11-2014 04:57AM

KH25 wrote: »

Missed the game so not in a position to comment. Good to get the 3 points though. Delighted for Mata.

Lucky you.

Robson99 · 09-11-2014 09:05AM

Would like to see us play with the following for a change with the fullback giving width

Herrera. Blind. Fellani.

. Mata.

Falcao. Di Maria.

hufpc8w3adnk65 · 09-11-2014 09:07AM

Robson99 wrote: »

Would like to see us play with the following for a change with the fullback giving width

Herrera. Blind. Fellani.

. Mata.

Falcao. Di Maria.

You spelled Rooney wrong

MagicIRL · 09-11-2014 11:27AM

Hopefully Arsenal and Swansea draw today

RobertKK · 09-11-2014 11:30AM

Talk is Falcao, Jones, Rafael and Evans will be fit for the Arsenal game.

Adamocovic · 09-11-2014 11:30AM

I see a lot of talk about Pique wanting to leave Barcelona. Would it be worth a punt to try bring him back?

A few weeks ago I would have said yes definitely but I am not as upset about our centre back situation as I was before. Yes with injuries we are very stretched at the moment but the likes of Blackett and McNair have stepped up. If they can keep playing and improving like they have been and we get back our full compliment the centre backs look ok to me, unless of course an opportunity to sign a world class CB comes up where we can't say no.

The right back position is my biggest worry. Valencia has been doing alright for now but we desperately need an out and out right back for cover and competition with Rafael.

Larry Wildman · 09-11-2014 11:38AM

K4t wrote: »

I'm not Van Gaal's biggest fan and disagree with a lot of his decisions, strongly, but he seems to believe in what he's doing and it's a bit unfair to compare him with Moyes' Utd until he has reached the stage of Moyes' tenure, and even then I would be weary due to the increased competitiveness of some other mid table clubs. January to May is the real test for LVG. If we are not at least in the hunt for CL qualification, I find it hard to see how people will defend him after the money spent and transfer decisions made.

Jim Jones also believed in what he was doing. Yesterday was poor, and it's a snapshot of how far we've fallen. Posters are actually saying what a great 3 points it is. It was Crystal Palace at Old Trafford. We're Manchester F..king United, not FC United of Manchester. Standards have been allowed to slip to a disgraceful degree. I have no faith in Van Gaal whatsoever because I base my opinion on what I see - A fortune spent on players and more toxic results than David Moyes managed.

Will I Amnt · 09-11-2014 11:44AM

Larry Wildman wrote: »

Jim Jones also believed in what he was doing. Yesterday was poor, and it's a snapshot of how far we've fallen. Posters are actually saying what a great 3 points it is. It was Crystal Palace at Old Trafford. We're Manchester F..king United, not FC United of Manchester. Standards have been allowed to slip to a disgraceful degree. I have no faith in Van Gaal whatsoever because I base my opinion on what I see - A fortune spent on players and more toxic results than David Moyes managed.

Who said it was a great 3 points?

Al Capwned · 09-11-2014 11:57AM

It may be a worse start than David Moyes managed, but surely you can see that glaring issues are being addressed Larry.
I was a supporter till close to the end of the Moyes reign, but I am 100% more confident that we are going in the right direction...

As is any fair minded supporter, I'd imagine.

Larry Wildman · 09-11-2014 12:02PM

Al Capwned wrote: »

It may be a worse start than David Moyes managed, but surely you can see that glaring issues are being addressed Larry.
I was a supporter till close to the end of the Moyes reign, but I am 100% more confident that we are going in the right direction...

As is any fair minded supporter, I'd imagine.

What is your confidence based on? I see us lurching from one disaster to the next. Nothing is being done to address the Van Persie issue. Our defence is shocking. For me, it's fourth or "get out Louis". Time will tell.

Backstreet Moyes · 09-11-2014 12:03PM

Will I Amnt wrote: »

Who said it was a great 3 points?

Nobody he makes up things to go on a ramble all the time.

Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread - See Mod Warning in OP, 09/11

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