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The amount of misogyny on boards these days is frightening.*Mod instruction in OP*

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  • #362
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 26,219 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    BunkMoreland wrote: »
    Why do people try to control what other people should think. So what if someone hates women, what's it to you?

    So if you were a black person who has to deal with racists, you wouldn't see a problem there?


  • #363
    efb
    Closed Accounts Posts: 35,514 ✭✭✭✭efb


    Mr. Incognito wrote: »
    You links are skewed because they dont compare like with like.

    They lump in all women and lump in all men and dont factor in a lot of women who are full time caregivers that have part time jobs and just divide to give an average.

    A more scientic study of like for like educated sexes in the same jobs would show no gap imo.

    A skewed study doesnt prove anything

    The report finds that the overall wage gap in 2003 was almost 22 per cent. On average men have more years of work experience than women and - among the factors identified here - this is the single biggest contributor to the pay gap. Nevertheless differential experience only accounts for a 3.1 per cent pay gap, or just over 14 per cent of the total. Many other factors - such as a higher incidence of supervisory roles, longer tenure and higher trade union membership among men and a higher incidence of part-time work among women - also widen the gap. The combined effects of broad occupational and sectoral gender segregation contribute 2.8 per cent, accounting for 13 per cent of the overall wage gap. A further interesting finding is that married or cohabiting men enjoy a wage premium which widens the gap. The authors interpret this as reflecting men’s much lower likelihood of having spent time out of the labour market for family reasons. Finally, a gap of 7.8 per cent - one third of the total - cannot be attributed to any of the factors included in the analysis.

    http://www.equality.ie/Files/The%20Gender%20Wage%20Gap%20in%20Ireland.pdf

    7.8% after the differentials have been removed, remains unaccounted for.


  • #364
    Lady Chatterton
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,585 ✭✭✭✭Lady Chatterton


    I met Brendan Shine and his wife in a teashop in Galway a few years ago and he was lovely :) He was embarrassed when the owner asked him to sign the visitors book.


  • #365
    DemocAnarchis
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 404 ✭✭DemocAnarchis


    efb wrote: »
    I gave links to back up the pay gap, but some people still climate change is a myth so I aint going to change everyone's mind, I accept that.

    So if you actually read the study you posted, it states that

    "In the EU, the gender pay gap is referred to officially as the ‘unadjusted gender pay gap’, as it does not take into account all of the factors that impact on the gender pay gap, such as differences in education, labour market experience, hours worked, type of job, etc. "

    Numerous studies have demonstrated that ajusted for these factors, the "gender pay gap" is approx 2 %.

    In addition, certain female demographics (single, childless women between ages 22 and 30) that are often the loudest on this topic broadly out-earn their male counterparts.

    There is disparity in earnings on both sides of the equation - men often work in more hazardous industries that pay better - over 90% of workplace fatalities are male.


  • #366
    Turtwig
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    MrsD007 wrote: »
    County Hurler, you and Dermot would get along, you both being Brendan Shine fans.
    MrsD007 wrote: »
    I met Brendan Shine and his wife in a teashop in Galway a few years ago and he was lovely :) He was embarrassed when the owner asked him to sign the visitors book.

    :confused::confused:


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  • #367
    efb
    Closed Accounts Posts: 35,514 ✭✭✭✭efb


    IrishCule wrote: »
    lol ok, you can think whatever you want.

    Can I ask you this though, why is it that figures like 20% up to 30%+ are banded about regularly? Why does your study itself start by saying :



    And then later say, actually the real figure is this but nevermind.



    Which side is pushing an agenda?

    It assumes in an egalitarian environment there would be no difference, but allowing for real life allowable differentials the gap still remains above 7%, and that can't be explained as being fair.


  • #368
    Mr. Incognito
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,798 ✭✭✭Mr. Incognito


    efb wrote: »
    The report finds that the overall wage gap in 2003 was almost 22 per cent. On average men have more years of work experience than women and - among the factors identified here - this is the single biggest contributor to the pay gap. Nevertheless differential experience only accounts for a 3.1 per cent pay gap, or just over 14 per cent of the total. Many other factors - such as a higher incidence of supervisory roles, longer tenure and higher trade union membership among men and a higher incidence of part-time work among women - also widen the gap. The combined effects of broad occupational and sectoral gender segregation contribute 2.8 per cent, accounting for 13 per cent of the overall wage gap. A further interesting finding is that married or cohabiting men enjoy a wage premium which widens the gap. The authors interpret this as reflecting men’s much lower likelihood of having spent time out of the labour market for family reasons. Finally, a gap of 7.8 per cent - one third of the total - cannot be attributed to any of the factors included in the analysis.

    http://www.equality.ie/Files/The%20Gender%20Wage%20Gap%20in%20Ireland.pdf

    7.8% after the differentials have been removed, remains unaccounted for.


    This report is eleven years old??? All the data much older even.

    Why do you keep saying that this is the contemporary position?


  • #369
    Slicemeister
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,526 ✭✭✭Slicemeister


    efb wrote: »
    and he brought a friend

    While I don't agree with everything he says, it's this kind of retort that actually helps instigate a lot of this misogyny that's prevalent in a lot of these threads. Is he not entitled to a view? If you're going to respond could you at least do it respectfully?


  • #370
    RayM
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,973 ✭✭✭RayM


    Gavin Shaggy Stoutness wrote: »
    You are eight times more likely to die by suicide if you are a male, that's just not good enough. The rights of male victims of domestic and sexual violence not to be discriminated against on the basis of their gender are certainly not being met. On balance, I would say that males are more usually at an advantage, but that doesn't mean the very serious gender-specific problems that do disproportionately affect them can just be written off as "sure that's just what men are like, nothing to be done about that".

    I think a lot of those gender-specific problems that affect men are indirectly caused by those advantages. The flip-side of being a member of a group that has traditionally been at a huge advantage is that certain things are 'expected' of you.


  • #371
    How Soon Is Now
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,268 ✭✭✭✭How Soon Is Now


    Slicemeister wrote: »
    While I don't agree with everything he says, it's this kind of retort that actually helps instigate a lot of this misogyny that's prevalent in a lot of these threads. Is he not entitled to a view? If you're going to respond could you at least do it respectfully?

    See thats the problem you get when these kinds situations happen.

    Your gonna get a lot of people in here now teaming up together because they feel like victims. On both sides. It solves nothing if anything it just adds to the mess.

    Nothing will be achieved from this thread wont solve any problems and it will just turn into another waste of a thread. Like i said before us vs them in this case women vs men.


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  • #372
    efb
    Closed Accounts Posts: 35,514 ✭✭✭✭efb


    How Soon Is Now wrote: »
    See thats the problem you get when these kinds situations happen.

    Your gonna get a lot of people in here now teaming up together because they feel like victims. On both sides. It solves nothing if anything it just adds to the mess.

    Nothing will be achieved from this thread wont solve any problems and it will just turn into another waste of a thread. Like i said before us vs them.

    I am not a victim misogamy, by definition, I cannot be.


  • #373
    BunkMoreland
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 820 ✭✭✭BunkMoreland


    Candie wrote: »
    So if you were a black person who has to deal with racists, you wouldn't see a problem there?

    If someone wants to be racist let them be. I'm sure most black people don't give a ****, they've enough people getting offended on their behalf.


  • #374
    efb
    Closed Accounts Posts: 35,514 ✭✭✭✭efb


    BunkMoreland wrote: »
    If someone wants to be racist let them be. I'm sure most black people don't give a ****, they've enough people getting offended on their behalf.

    You think most black people wouldn't care about racism?


  • #375
    How Soon Is Now
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,268 ✭✭✭✭How Soon Is Now


    efb wrote: »
    I am not a victim misogamy, by definition, I cannot be.

    I dont care.

    All im doing is stating this thread right now is nothing more then ill state my point then you state yours but no one agrees with either and we just go round and round till the last person is left.


  • #376
    DemocAnarchis
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 404 ✭✭DemocAnarchis


    RayM wrote: »
    I think a lot of those gender-specific problems that affect men are indirectly caused by those advantages. The flip-side of being a member of a group that has traditionally been at a huge advantage is that certain things are 'expected' of you.

    I don't know if I'd use the term advantage - I think that a lot is attributed to gender disparity that is actually a class disparity, although I generally agree that societal expectations have a huge impact on the area of male mental health.


  • #377
    BunkMoreland
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 820 ✭✭✭BunkMoreland


    efb wrote: »
    You think most black people wouldn't care about racism?

    Yes.


  • #378
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 26,219 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    BunkMoreland wrote: »
    If someone wants to be racist let them be. I'm sure most black people don't give a ****, they've enough people getting offended on their behalf.

    Turning your back on things like racism and misogyny and xenophobia helps provide the ideal conditions for things like that to proliferate. Surely we can all agree that the world is a better place for everybody if we keep the hate to a minimum? If someone is racist, they deserve to have their attitudes questioned and challenged.


  • #379
    J Mysterio
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 11,304 ✭✭✭✭J Mysterio


    BunkMoreland wrote: »
    If someone wants to be racist let them be. I'm sure most black people don't give a ****, they've enough people getting offended on their behalf.



  • #380
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 26,219 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    J Mysterio wrote: »

    Well, if one black film star doesn't care, then obviously no black person does.


  • #381
    DemocAnarchis
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 404 ✭✭DemocAnarchis


    How Soon Is Now wrote: »
    I dont care.

    All im doing is stating this thread right now is nothing more then ill state my point then you state yours but no one agrees with either and we just go round and round till the last person is left.

    Par for the course for pretty much any debate in human history so. People have a set position, and numerous psychological studies have shown that being exposed to counterarguments (no-matter how valid) actually result in becoming more entrenched in your beliefs. At the end of the day, people will advocate for their own interests (either consciously or subconsciously under the guise of altruism).

    And I say the above despite having contributed to the discussion with what I believe is accurate information.


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  • #382
    eviltwin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,495 ✭✭✭✭eviltwin


    TheZohan wrote: »
    What happened when you reported the posts? You did report them, didn't you? I mean it would be pointless to create a thread here now and not report the offending posts? Otherwise people would think you're soapboxing.

    the mods do a good job. the threads on their own are fine but i think the point the op is making is that there are so many of them. it gets tiring. i don't like boards anymore, it no longer feels like a welcoming place for women.


  • #383
    efb
    Closed Accounts Posts: 35,514 ✭✭✭✭efb


    The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.

    Edmund Burke


  • #384
    Sand
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,011 ✭✭✭✭Sand


    The point might be better expressed that black people know that there are racist people in the world, but just get up and get on regardless.


  • #385
    IsMiseMyself
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,268 ✭✭✭IsMiseMyself


    Sand wrote: »
    The point might be better expressed that black people know that there are racist people in the world, but just get up and get on regardless.
    Ferguson.


  • #386
    Mr. Incognito
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,798 ✭✭✭Mr. Incognito


    efb wrote: »
    The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.

    Edmund Burke

    There are some people so addicted to exaggeration that they can't tell the truth without lying.

    Josh Billings


  • #387
    J Mysterio
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 11,304 ✭✭✭✭J Mysterio


    Candie wrote: »
    Well, if one black film star doesn't care, then obviously no black person does.

    Passive aggressive.

    What you have extrapolated from that was not my intention.


  • #388
    Karl Stein
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,687 ✭✭✭Karl Stein


    Sand wrote: »
    The point might be better expressed that black people know that there are racist people in the world, but just get up and get on regardless.

    No they don't Mr Black person spokesman. History shows that Black Americans agitated for civil rights. They formed the Black Panthers and got tooled up. They got organised and had racist laws overturned. Black people took on institutional racism.


  • #389
    Sand
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,011 ✭✭✭✭Sand


    Yeah, that's repeating what I said back to me.


  • #390
    How Soon Is Now
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,268 ✭✭✭✭How Soon Is Now


    eviltwin wrote: »
    the mods do a good job. the threads on their own are fine but i think the point the op is making is that there are so many of them. it gets tiring. i don't like boards anymore, it no longer feels like a welcoming place for women.

    Im not a woman so i cant speak for the gender and how they feel on here but i always get the impression women are very welcome on here. The site wouldn't be the same without the majority of the female posters on here.

    I honestly think if there are issues towards women on here there are just as many issues towards other kinds of people as well.

    You shouldn't feel like your not welcome just because some people set out to cause trouble on here because there hugely outnumbered.


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  • #391
    Karl Stein
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,687 ✭✭✭Karl Stein


    Sand wrote: »
    The point might be better expressed that black people know that there are racist people in the world, but just get up and get on regardless.
    BunkMoreland wrote: »
    If someone wants to be racist let them be. I'm sure most black people don't give a ****, they've enough people getting offended on their behalf.

    Look folks, we've two heroes here who have their fingers on the pulse of every black person and have decided to become spokespersons on their behalf.


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