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The amount of misogyny on boards these days is frightening.*Mod instruction in OP*

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  • #212
    tomwaterford
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,768 ✭✭✭✭tomwaterford


    Shrap wrote: »
    Ha! Clearly :P Sorry, got an English fella. It may have something to do with me overusing the word. "Dude" any better? My kids prefer it...?
    Hitchens wrote: »
    how about chum? :pac:

    look it...we'll just boi....keep it sounding a little waterfordish anyway!!!:pac::pac:


  • #213
    DoYouEvenLift
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,188 ✭✭✭DoYouEvenLift


    liz lemoncello wrote: »
    Not my post that is being responded to here, but I'll hazard a guess: everyone is different?

    In any case, with all due respect to ewinslet, is there not a forum better suited than AH to the discussion of female masturbation?


    True. If it's down to herself not being comfortable openly talking about it verbally then fair enough, but if it's about her not having friends she's comfortable enough to talk about it with or they're not comfortable or mature enough then simply find friends who are


  • #214
    Micky Dolenz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,079 ✭✭✭✭Micky Dolenz


    Mod

    Making sexist jokes in a thread highlighting an issue with misogyny isn't clever and against the charter. Expect infractions over the next while.

    Just because you don't see something, doesn't mean it isn't happening. It is easy to miss things not directed at you.

    The jokes stop here, if you want to discuss the issue at hand do so. You can agree or disagree but for God's sake be open minded enough to LISTEN to the people who it affects.


  • #215
    The Hill Billy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,850 ✭✭✭✭The Hill Billy


    DoYouEvenLift wrote: »
    Have talked to lots of girls in real liife...
    Yeah, right. :pac:


  • #216
    How Soon Is Now
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,268 ✭✭✭✭How Soon Is Now


    TheBeardedLady wrote: »
    I post in here a lot and but it doesn't mean I don't find the misogynistic undertones unpleasant. I avoid certain threads and stick with the more light-hearted ones but the ones to avoid are more becoming more prolific in the last while.

    Why ignore the women (and men) who DO have an issue with it? Look at those who thanked the posts on the first page. That's a fair whack of the regular female posters. Why should our POV be discounted because some women don't agree with us?

    Im not gonna comment on anyone thanking posts because quite frankly i dont like the idea of the same people thanking each others posts all the time. When it gets to that stage i have no time for that.

    If you or any other women feel so strongly about this why do you not bring it to an admin or a section of the site where it will be taken seriously? I am saying that being one hundred percent serious im not trying to be smart or whatever.


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  • #217
    TheBeardedLady
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,086 ✭✭✭TheBeardedLady


    Shrap wrote: »
    Well, I for one stopped following this thread http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057321846 earlier today as I was sick to the stomach from the generalisations and band-wagon jumping about women having a "cvnt gene". I only pop in here to AH till I can take no more, but like others I think it's got worse recently.

    Sick to the stomach. That's exactly how I feel. Sick to the stomach and disappointed because I like people (women and men) for the most part and get on reasonably well with most people but I'm disliked by others for simply being female. I get stick for some other woman somewhere acting the arse (like men often do too).

    That's one example. It's not hard to find examples.


  • #218
    IsMiseMyself
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,268 ✭✭✭IsMiseMyself


    TheBeardedLady wrote: »
    I post in here a lot and but it doesn't mean I don't find the misogynistic undertones unpleasant. I avoid certain threads and stick with the more light-hearted ones but the ones to avoid are more becoming more prolific in the last while.

    Why ignore the women (and men) who DO have an issue with it? Look at those who thanked the posts on the first page. That's a fair whack of the regular female posters. Why should our POV be discounted because some women don't agree with us?

    I think it'd be interesting to put up a poll for female posters to vote as to whether we think there's been a bit more of a misogynist undercurrent of late.

    Further again, a number of women have come out here to agree with the OP to a certain degree and been invalidated (again: to a degree). I don't think discussions like this ever really tend to go anywhere and this one is headed down the usual route.


  • #219
    johnnyskeleton
    Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 14,568 Mod ✭✭✭✭johnnyskeleton


    SparkySpitfire wrote: »
    This makes no sense though. If I'd said, "Oh I read somewhere that all cats have an extra chromosome, don't remember where but I did", and you didn't believe me, you could do a search and find out that indeed, cats have an extra chromosome. Just because it's not presented on a silver platter doesn't mean it's not there. And this kind of thing is less tangible than a "fact" like the cat thing.

    How can all cats have an "extra" chromosome? Surely they have the exact amount of cat chromosomes as are necessary?

    Apart from mutant cats, of course.


  • #220
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 7,344 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    SparkySpitfire wrote: »
    You want me to name and shame people? Why don't you have a look for yourself or maybe just discuss the topic at hand?

    Thats not how I understood his post. I think he meant that he wanted examples of the kind of comments you mean - not who has made them. Not even word for word examples either - just a general lay out of the kind of comments you speak of.

    I have seen a lot of male posturing on these forums. OTT Sex Talk. Silly adolescent style language coming out of adults who should know better. But "misogyny"? I can not find or think of any examples. Let alone enough examples to support the consistency you speak of.

    At the very most I think I would lament the fact there is not a better culture on here of lads telling other lads after their comments "That kinda comment is not on dude, grow up". But I have to say I am guilty of not doing that myself either.

    But are there one or two posters touched with a hatred for all things women? I am sure there is. It would not surprise me. So lets use the report system to ferret them out. Lets stand up and confront them when and where they arise. Moaning vaguely about them gets us nowhere. Lets be specific and stand up and talk back wherever they show their ugly faces.
    The_Valeyard wrote: »
    I doubt you would be banned for reporting a a post you found misogynistic. Although that's not to say the mods will always agree with you.

    True - and what is more I think any mod worth their salt will give a warning or two before banning anyone for such a thing. And I have actually seen the mods here card people for "go make me a sandwich" type comments. So clearly the mods do appreciate the reports. It has happened on this very thread.
    The_Valeyard wrote: »
    Off to maynooth for a pint of anyone's interested.

    You are on my turf now - where ya having your tipple.


  • #221
    Tasden
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,166 ✭✭✭Tasden


    How Soon Is Now wrote: »
    Me personally i find it hard to post in AH at times because i have no interest in getting into a lot of the topics.

    They dont really offend me its more i know they will be either boring or total train wrecks. For example the thread you mentioned in fairness before that even gets going you know the path it will go down so thats why i didnt bother with it.

    This is what i mean by avoiding things in AH.

    Yep same here. For example I know most threads about father's rights end up being pages of generalisations about women withholding access/looking for crazy maintenance etc. As a single mother receiving pretty much no help from the father I know to just avoid those threads because its just not worth getting my knickers in a twist. Its a fact of life that people do make generalisations based on their experiences, its not a personal attack on me or women.

    A few posters already referred to the feminism thread in tLL, imo any men who have issues with feminism should just stay out of that thread because its specifically about why women need feminism. But I don't think that's necessarily misogyny, its more just people being disrespectful/acting the idiot in a thread that they should stay out of considering its so specific. Then again maybe I'm just being naive in thinking its not against women.


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  • #222
    Shrap
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,163 ✭✭✭Shrap


    How Soon Is Now wrote: »
    Me personally i find it hard to post in AH at times because i have no interest in getting into a lot of the topics.

    They dont really offend me its more i know they will be either boring or total train wrecks. For example the thread you mentioned in fairness before that even gets going you know the path it will go down so thats why i didnt bother with it.

    This is what i mean by avoiding things in AH.

    Well, same. Some of the threads I go for are because of the thread title being a train wreck in the offing though. The one I mentioned earlier I went on because I am worried. I'm worried about the percentage of men who are taking these generalisations about women on board, and think that if I can provide any sort of voice to the contrary, maybe some of them will realise how outrageous some of the comments are. And then I get sickened and back out, but I don't like to let stuff like that go by me without trying to reason.

    No reasoning with some people who are terribly set in their ways though.


  • #223
    TheBeardedLady
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,086 ✭✭✭TheBeardedLady


    How Soon Is Now wrote: »
    Im not gonna comment on anyone thanking posts because quite frankly i dont like the idea of the same people thanking each others posts all the time. When it gets to that stage i have no time for that.

    If you or any other women feel so strongly about this why do you not bring it to an admin or a section of the site where it will be taken seriously? I am saying that being one hundred percent serious im not trying to be smart or whatever.


    Boards is where I come to relax, How soon is now. People tell us to ignore the comments but they're comments from real people. I don't feel outraged by them, just sad that people are like that. I don't want to spend my free time getting annoyed and upset over an online forum like I've done in the past. There's been feedback etc. in the past that I've contributed to and I've contributed to feedback in other parts of this forum but tbh, I don't think it's something that can be wiped out as you can't make posters NOT feel the way they do.

    I'm just disappointed they do.

    Tbh, I'm a fan of Boards and have been posting on here for a reason but this is an aspect of it I never liked and it's gotten worse the last while. I've other concerns in my own life than to be worrying about an online forum but it does make me sad that there's people out there with those views. That's all, really.


  • #224
    Fr_Dougal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,166 ✭✭✭Fr_Dougal


    I've listened to the op, watched as many posters have asked the op for an example, yet none were forthcoming from the OP. If you're going to make wild accusations of wrongdoing, at least have the decency to back it up. From reading some of her posts, I think I understand where the op is coming from, but it has nothing to do will misogyny on boards.


  • #225
    DoYouEvenLift
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,188 ✭✭✭DoYouEvenLift


    The Hill Billy wrote: »
    Yeah, right. :pac:


    "Don't be a dick"


    Hmmm.


  • #226
    How Soon Is Now
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,268 ✭✭✭✭How Soon Is Now


    TheBeardedLady wrote: »
    Boards is where I come to relax, How soon is now. People tell us to ignore the comments but they're comments from real people. I don't feel outraged by them, just sad that people are like that. I don't want to spend my free time getting annoyed and upset over an online forum like I've done in the past. There's been feedback etc. in the past that I've contributed to and I've contributed to feedback in other parts of this forum but tbh, I don't think it's something that can be wiped out as you can't make posters NOT feel the way they do.

    I'm just disappointed they do.

    Tbh, I'm a fan of Boards and have been posting on here for a reason but this is an aspect of it I never liked and it's gotten worse the last while. I've other concerns in my own life than to be worrying about an online forum but it does make me sad that there's people out there with those views. That's all, really.


    I mentioned this already and i honestly think most of the people on here who have strong nasty views about things dont have them in real life. There either trying to be ''cool'' online or just looking to wind people up who take things a bit more serious then others might.

    I think most of the comments aimed at women are not from people who hate women more from people who just aint that bright and basically cant think of a better way to take the piss.

    There are a lot of things that get very heavily posted on this site that could personally offend me but i just try and avoid them because as a society in general we have very bent out of shape views and its not gonna change anytime soon.


  • #227
    Semele
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 753 ✭✭✭Semele


    I've reported a number of vile posts in some of the recent threads mentioned and nothing has been done, despite the fact that I wouldn't have done so if I didn't feel the post in question was well beyond what could be considered acceptable (going by the type of posts that people usually get warned for).

    I'm not being critical of the mods and I recognise that they're incredibly busy, but a number of posts on here have asked why women don't just report posts/threads they find offensive and I wanted to point out that some of us do, without getting anywhere. It's not a redundant debate.


  • #228
    TheBeardedLady
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,086 ✭✭✭TheBeardedLady


    Your comment seemed pretty pointless, why bother telling him something he already knows.

    Why would you jump in to defend him?
    You have a terrible of habit of making assumptions when you post (eg. "willfully"). There are perhaps some isolated cases of misogyny, but as I said before it is not a big problem, certainly not in the way you or the OP make out.

    I disagree with you.


  • #229
    humanji
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,976 ✭✭✭✭humanji


    MOD: I'm temporarily closing this for a few mins while I clean it up.

    Re-opened.


    And just from a mods perspective, the misogyny on Boards has gone through the roof in the last while. And I'm not talking about the odd sexist joke. I'm talking about unadulterated hatred of women, several of those types of posts can even be found on this thread.

    Misandry, on the other hand, is down a bit. So maybe the two cancel each other out.


  • #230
    Macavity.
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,745 ✭✭✭Macavity.


    TheBeardedLady wrote: »
    Why would you jump in to defend him?

    Not really a defence. I just found your comment needless. I think it was good that he admitted he had a problem, and people acting hostile towards something like that isn't exactly going to benefit anyone. He did make an unsavory comment later, which is not what I am referring to.


  • #231
    Fr_Dougal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,166 ✭✭✭Fr_Dougal


    Semele wrote: »
    I've reported a number of vile posts in some of the recent threads mentioned and nothing has been done, despite the fact that I wouldn't have done so if I didn't feel the post in question was well beyond what could be considered acceptable (going by the type of posts that people usually get warned for).

    I'm not being critical of the mods and I recognise that they're incredibly busy, but a number of posts on here have asked why women don't just report posts/threads they find offensive and I wanted to point out that some of us do, without getting anywhere. It's not a redundant debate.

    I've reported many posts myself, but to be honest most of the sexist posts seem to be coming from a few re-regs that would post any old crap just to get a rise out of people, they've been sitebanned many times. If you see a post that looks off, and it's not actioned; might I recommend pm'ing a mod? They should be able to give you some insight as to why a post is not actionable.


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  • #232
    Karl Stein
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,687 ✭✭✭Karl Stein


    Hey women of AH why don't you start a thread in feedback about it and try to get some action taken on it?

    It's horrible that some women have closed their accounts, or stopped posting in AH, because of a bunch of bitter women-hating goons who blame all women for their own inadequacies.


  • #233
    Mr. Incognito
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,798 ✭✭✭Mr. Incognito


    Hey,

    I have noticed a lot of speckled rocks around here.

    Where??,

    Over there. In the forest. Go look yourself.

    Umm, i see some acorns. Can you tell me or show me where the rocks is??

    Seriously?? You cant see the rock??? The MASSIVE rock over there. Its like utterly obvious.

    No, i cant see it. Help me out here. I want to see this speckled rock. Sounds interesting. Can you describe it to me.

    DESCRIBE IT TO YOU??? Are you for real. If you are not going to be bothered getting down on your hands and knees and looking for it then why should I point it out for you??

    Ummmmm.... You kinda brought it up. I am kinda starting to think this is some sort of over dramatisation.

    MEEEEEE?? Dramatic? This is just the sort of Sedimentry Sadism i have seen in action. The Ignatious ignorance not to mention to basalt bigots around here.....

    Um, You're weird.

    OPPRESSOR !!!! There wont be a poor pebble left!!


  • #234
    Molester Stallone II
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,459 ✭✭✭Molester Stallone II


    I can't see the rocks for the trees


  • #235
    RDM_83 again
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,116 ✭✭✭RDM_83 again


    Gavin Shaggy Stoutness wrote: »
    3: The inexorable draw that a thread on why feminism is still relevant has on mostly male posters, flocking in to tell us that no we don't, no, we're wrong. Not just "some aspects of feminism" or "radical feminism", but all of it.

    Exactly what I meant by disagreeing with Feminism ≠ Misogyny, I caveatted my post earlier with 3rd wave Feminism, but realistically (apart from maybe the abortion issue in the ROI) we in the west live in a society that aspires to 2nd wave feminism, so for most posters they will equate feminism with the current 1st world 3rd/4th wave.
    If its on this forum its fair game to be discussed and disagreed with, if Feminism actually serves its intended purpose for good or ill it will impact society, society includes everyone so its fair enough to allow everyone an opinion on it.
    Gavin Shaggy Stoutness wrote: »
    4: Men putting us somewhere on the spectrum between deluded idiots and two-faced liars whenever the subject of what we find attractive in a man comes up.

    I can understand why being told no, your wrong, you don;t feel that way would be pretty infuriating. Don't you ever feel that sometimes posters will say the right thing rather than give an honest opinion at times, I've used the thread about the women that had 500+ partners and apparently gave the OP an STD a few times as an example of how the "right" opinion will not match what will be realistically expected in real life. Perhaps that explains at least some of the doubts?


    Probably a bit of an intellectual point for AH, but is it actually possible for there to be a discussion on a women related thread (sorry inaccurate term) in a forum where its probably 70/80% male, where the discussion isn't going to trend towards mens opinions and woman being discussed as the "object" from a male perspective even if it not in a negative or sexist manner?


  • #236
    Penny Tration
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,687 ✭✭✭✭Penny Tration


    I have to agree with the OP, and some other posters.

    AH has become quite nasty of late, especially towards women.

    The amount of threads with 'women-bashing' posts in them over the last few weeks has been nuts.

    Personally, I don't get my knickers in a twist over it, but I do find it very odd.

    For what it's worth, I think the AH mods do a hard, thankless job exceptionally well, and AH became a nicer place to post when things like sexism and rape jokes were banned.

    Problem seems to be that a lot of posters have figured out how to get their nasty 'jokes' or views across without technically breaking the rules.

    Chloroform is mentioned semi-regularly in threads about sex. Clearly a reference to rape. BUT - it's not explicitly joking about rape, so it toes the line, while getting the nasty 'joke' across.

    Ah mods, cmods and admin did a great job when they cracked down on sexism. Unfortunately, some people have found ways to bend the rules just enough to suit their purposes.


  • #237
    LoganRice
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 424 ✭✭LoganRice


    Sorry, we wont be misogynistic here again :(


  • #238
    Shrap
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,163 ✭✭✭Shrap


    Mr. Incognito wrote: »
    OPPRESSOR !!!! There wont be a poor pebble left!!

    What are you trying to say exactly? It seems you are indicating that any of the women/men on this thread who have noted a rise in misogynistic style posting can be reduced to the kind of generalist (and equally sexist) finger pointing that often results in the word "oppressor" being directed at men?


  • #239
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 7,344 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    humanji wrote: »
    Re-opened.

    And just from a mods perspective, the misogyny on Boards has gone through the roof in the last while. And I'm not talking about the odd sexist joke. I'm talking about unadulterated hatred of women, several of those types of posts can even be found on this thread.

    So are there new rules in the works to deal with it - do we get a community say in suggesting how they might work? Or whats the deal? :) Perhaps we could turn this car crash of a thread into a useful discussion on how to move forward as a community on dealing with it.


  • #240
    Mr. Incognito
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,798 ✭✭✭Mr. Incognito


    misogyny
    [mi-soj-uh-nee, mahy-] Spell Syllables
    Word Origin
    noun
    1.
    hatred, dislike, or mistrust of women.

    I dont see it tbh. Much ado ( 12 pages and counting) about nothing


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  • #241
    Ronan|Raven
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,154 ✭✭✭Ronan|Raven


    What makes me the most concerned is people take the stuff people post seriously.


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