ALL THINGS IRISH WATER/WATER CHARGE RELATED POST HERE

mikom · 04-11-2014 08:33PM

moxin wrote: »

In other news, Tierney has said water pipe leakage is at 48%. 500m was spent installing meters, why didn't they fix the leaks FIRST with this money?

Pure money racket.

tayto lover · 04-11-2014 08:34PM

moxin wrote: »

Burton now says 200 quid is a NET charge after credits applied, our beloved RTE quote govt sources as saying her words are more hopeful than factual..LOL http://www.rte.ie/news/2014/1104/656768-irish-water/

In other news, Tierney has said water pipe leakage is at 48%. 500m was spent installing meters, why didn't they fix the leaks FIRST with this money?

This shower are not worried about water escaping.
They're afraid we'll escape.
It's all about collecting money. not about fixing pipes.

papu · 04-11-2014 08:35PM

moxin wrote: »

Burton now says 200 quid is a NET charge after credits applied, our beloved RTE quote govt sources as saying her words are more hopeful than factual..LOL http://www.rte.ie/news/2014/1104/656768-irish-water/

In other news, Tierney has said water pipe leakage is at 48%. 500m was spent installing meters, why didn't they fix the leaks FIRST with this money?

Because the IMF sanctioned these water meters as part of the bailout.

Also because the cost for fixing the network is about 20 times what it took to install the meters.

DamagedTrax · 04-11-2014 08:36PM

Going Forward wrote: »

Half those protesting don't really know why they're protesting, and the bufoon Kenny just stated that the protests have the possibility of making PAYE tax payers liable for an extra 4%.

Is this what those protesting actually want?

thats not going to happen and is only something he blurted out recently out of desperation. lets not get too far ahead of ourselves and think he could actually get away with it. he'd probably be lynched.

This whole thing should be put to bed as is, scrap the pointless allowances, delete all PPS numbers, and forget about any imagined savings.

There is no honesty from government about full cost charging, it's no wonder.

agree 100%

As regards, concessions, there's no real poverty in Ireland, I don't see what the fuss is over €2 or €3 per week.

having been nearly thread bare in the past i totally understand it. €2 euro a week is not a lot. IF it could be paid weekly. when you're on the breadline, even 20 euro extra outlay in a week can have bad knock on effects.

As regards protecting against privatising, why not create a requirement for a future referendum if privatisation is ever mooted in the future.

i'd be happy with that if it was done in such a way that the decision to eventually hold the referendum, was taken out of government hands. otherwise i can see them spinning yarn after yarn to avoid the hammering they know they'll take.

They've lost credibility.

yup.

gladrags · 04-11-2014 08:56PM

moxin wrote: »

Burton now says 200 quid is a NET charge after credits applied, our beloved RTE quote govt sources as saying her words are more hopeful than factual..LOL http://www.rte.ie/news/2014/1104/656768-irish-water/

In other news, Tierney has said water pipe leakage is at 48%. 500m was spent installing meters, why didn't they fix the leaks FIRST with this money?

In effect the public are being asked to pay for decades of neglect,that led to the breakdown of the system,in the first instance.

With no guarantees that this will not happem again.

You will not hear Kenny or Martin admit that the repairs and upgrades,should have been ongoing,before the system became unfit for use.

Streetwalker · 04-11-2014 09:13PM

moxin wrote: »

Burton now says 200 quid is a NET charge after credits applied, our beloved RTE quote govt sources as saying her words are more hopeful than factual..LOL http://www.rte.ie/news/2014/1104/656768-irish-water/

In other news, Tierney has said water pipe leakage is at 48%. 500m was spent installing meters, why didn't they fix the leaks FIRST with this money?

A constant stream of money is needed to pay back the banking debts. IW was set up for that purpose it's nothing to do with conserving water or any of that BS.

opinionated3 · 04-11-2014 09:37PM

Streetwalker wrote: »

A constant stream of money is needed to pay back the banking debts. IW was set up for that purpose it's nothing to do with conserving water or any of that BS.

Absolutely bang on. Two sentences that have just summed up exactly what all this scam is about.

twowheelsgood · 04-11-2014 09:52PM

Streetwalker wrote: »

A constant stream of money is needed to pay back the banking debts.

Maybe if we all pretend that all our national debt is banking debt and that we don't have a deficit at all at all it might become true? :pac:

yipeeeee · 04-11-2014 10:07PM

opinionated3 wrote: »

Absolutely bang on. Two sentences that have just summed up exactly what all this scam is about.

Well it is a debt that has to be paid back.

Irish Steve · 04-11-2014 10:07PM

Streetwalker wrote: »

A constant stream of money is needed to pay back the banking debts. IW was set up for that purpose it's nothing to do with conserving water or any of that BS.

You think so, the reality is that IW was set up to get water and waste water out of the control, mismanagement and inappropriate manipulation from sleeveen local politicians who had zero interest in long term infrastructure, and only cared for visible vote winning short term projects that would win votes.

It's been going on since 1977 when the election was bought by FF, and ever since, the local authorities have been cash strapped, and unable to operate properly and independently from central government.

If IW had been properly set up, with management that were not parachuted in from other semi states, and a local staff inherited from under performing local authorities, it might have had half a chance, but as presently structured and mis managed, it's fatally flawed and will not deliver any of the promises made, not unlike the HSE, and other similar semi state quangos.

The politicians don't care if it works or not, as they will be able to pretend that it's no longer their responsibility, their line will be that it's down to IW and the regulator to make it work, when the truth is that the political elite have once again totally and completely fcuked up what should have been a simple exercise, and demonstrated all too clearly that they have no one capable of original thought, or clear headed management. Right now, even though it should have been a walk in the park, I can't see FG getting back in to power next time round, even if they do get rid of their losers that are leading them into the wilderness, they've generated so much bad feeling and resentment by their callous and deliberate rejection of the promises they made in 2011, they're looking almost as toxic as FF, and in one term, that's some achievement, given it took FF nearly 3 terms to screw up so badly.

The local party apparatus is going to have to take some of the blame as well, they're the ones that select the candidates, and it's only too clear that way too many of the people they put forward are no longer capable of doing the job that's required. Some ability to think, and tell the leadership "NO" might not do any harm either, they're way too much like sheep, Enda goes BAAAAAA, and they all come running, and ignore any feelings they have about the validity or otherwise of what they are being expected to agree to.

It's time for a fundamental change, right through the system, top to bottom. The short term result may not be nice, and I'm personally frightened of what might happen if SF were to be able to sneak in as a result of the total mess the main parties have made, the consequences of that could be way more serious than anyone realises, but it's a risk that seems to be inevitable right now, given the massive political void that's becoming larger every day.

Larbre34 · 04-11-2014 10:33PM

Taoiseach Gerry Adams for the 1916 centenary?

Think I'll just grab some magic mushrooms and p1ss off to the twilight zone now if it's all the same to you.

_Kaiser_ · 04-11-2014 10:35PM

Irish Steve wrote: »

You think so, the reality is that IW was set up to get water and waste water out of the control, mismanagement and inappropriate manipulation from sleeveen local politicians who had zero interest in long term infrastructure, and only cared for visible vote winning short term projects that would win votes.

I have to disagree with this bit...

IW was setup as the Troika demanded it as part of the bailout conditions - apparently as a precursor to privatisation as it turns out.

Nothing at all to do with getting the supply and treatment of our water supplies in order - that's been the spin used to try and get the public to buy in (and cough up) for the idea, otherwise they wouldn't have done this:

If IW had been properly set up, with management that were not parachuted in from other semi states, and a local staff inherited from under performing local authorities, it might have had half a chance, but as presently structured and mis managed, it's fatally flawed and will not deliver any of the promises made, not unlike the HSE, and other similar semi state quangos.

IW was never intended to be anything more than a cash-cow to repay "our" debts and serve as another quango for FG to reward their supporters.

Where they appear to have badly miscalculated though - and I've been surprised myself to be honest - is assuming the public would just roll over and pay up as they have to-date.

Whatever the reason for this, my greatest hope from recent events is that it signals the beginning of the end of the Irish electorate's apathy and ignorance of how this country has been mismanaged since pretty much the formation of this State, and that people start to take a more active interest and role in ensuring that the politicians we elect deliver on what they promise, and remember that they are there to serve us - NOT the other way around!

Very much remains to be seen though, but if things return to "normal" when this mess has been resolved (one way or another), then I think we'll have missed a very valuable opportunity not likely to be repeated.

Banjo String · 04-11-2014 10:38PM

Excellent summarisation Kaiser.

My sentiments exactly.

hju6 · 04-11-2014 10:41PM

Banjo String wrote: »

Excellent summarisation Kaiser.

My sentiments exactly.

Here here !!

Totally agree

Little CuChulainn · 04-11-2014 10:50PM

moxin wrote: »

Burton now says 200 quid is a NET charge after credits applied, our beloved RTE quote govt sources as saying her words are more hopeful than factual..LOL http://www.rte.ie/news/2014/1104/656768-irish-water/

In other news, Tierney has said water pipe leakage is at 48%. 500m was spent installing meters, why didn't they fix the leaks FIRST with this money?

Aren't the meters revealing many of the leaks?

gladrags · 04-11-2014 10:51PM

Larbre34 wrote: »

Taoiseach Gerry Adams for the 1916 centenary?

Think I'll just grab some magic mushrooms and p1ss off to the twilight zone now if it's all the same to you.

Why don't you kill two birds with the one stone,and bring the magic mushrooms to the centenary.?

You will be oblivious either way,so you can always say you were there.

_Kaiser_ · 04-11-2014 10:53PM

Larbre34 wrote: »

Taoiseach Gerry Adams for the 1916 centenary?

Think I'll just grab some magic mushrooms and p1ss off to the twilight zone now if it's all the same to you.

I wouldn't worry too much - it's not going to happen.

SF (and elements within FF) greatly overestimate the general public's appetite for "republicanism" in my opinion. Truth be told most people don't give a toss about Civil War politics in Ireland 2014.

Most people are more concerned with things like what they get left with out of their paycheque, that they have a secure stable job, a roof over their heads, can provide a safe environment for their kids, and that we move on from the days of social conservatism and sectarianism.

Parties like SF haven't grasped that yet and still reckon most people consider "reunification" a big issue in Irish life when the reality is very different.

Highflyer13 · 04-11-2014 10:56PM

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

I have to disagree with this bit...

IW was setup as the Troika demanded it as part of the bailout conditions - apparently as a precursor to privatisation as it turns out.

Nothing at all to do with getting the supply and treatment of our water supplies in order - that's been the spin used to try and get the public to buy in (and cough up) for the idea, otherwise they wouldn't have done this:

IW was never intended to be anything more than a cash-cow to repay "our" debts and serve as another quango for FG to reward their supporters.

Where they appear to have badly miscalculated though - and I've been surprised myself to be honest - is assuming the public would just roll over and pay up as they have to-date.

Whatever the reason for this, my greatest hope from recent events is that it signals the beginning of the end of the Irish electorate's apathy and ignorance of how this country has been mismanaged since pretty much the formation of this State, and that people start to take a more active interest and role in ensuring that the politicians we elect deliver on what they promise, and remember that they are there to serve us - NOT the other way around!

Very much remains to be seen though, but if things return to "normal" when this mess has been resolved (one way or another), then I think we'll have missed a very valuable opportunity not likely to be repeated.

Excellent post

Wurly · 04-11-2014 11:04PM

Taken from the Boycott Irish Water page on Facebook:

"Hubert Kearns was Sligo County Manager for 17 years and when he retired in 2013 he received a lump sum of 270,000 and a pension of 68,000 per year. His time as Sligo manager was controversial and he left behind a County debt of 80 million. "It's not the end of the world, nobody died," he said about the council's financial woes. At one stage he refused to attend council meetings in a dispute with an independent Councillor and spent more than €50,000 council money hiring HR consultant Declan Naughton to monitor meetings. Asked to comment on reports that his own pay as Sligo Manager, at €136,000, was €30,000 more than that of the Spanish prime minister, Mr Kearns said his salary was fixed by Government. “I am surprised that the Spanish prime minister earns so little.”
So after retiring from Sligo he has his pockets full, thanks to the taxpayer - that's YOU and ME, So, has Mr Kearns taken up fishing? No, Hubert has apparently found gainful employment with Irish Water.
Irish Water, home to retired Council managers, headed up by retired Dublin Manager John Tierney (salary 200,000 Eur). But apparently Irish Water managers (like Hubert?) would have to get by on a measly 100,000. Hopefully though they might be able to survive once the expenses and free cars are factored in.
So you can see good people why it's going to take 20 years to fix all those rusty old water pipes!""

Creative Juices · 04-11-2014 11:09PM

Wurly wrote: »

Taken from the Boycott Irish Water page on Facebook:

Wow just wow. It's high time for a people's revolution.

Highflyer13 · 04-11-2014 11:10PM

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

I have to disagree with this bit...

IW was setup as the Troika demanded it as part of the bailout conditions - apparently as a precursor to privatisation as it turns out.

Nothing at all to do with getting the supply and treatment of our water supplies in order - that's been the spin used to try and get the public to buy in (and cough up) for the idea, otherwise they wouldn't have done this:

IW was never intended to be anything more than a cash-cow to repay "our" debts and serve as another quango for FG to reward their supporters.

Where they appear to have badly miscalculated though - and I've been surprised myself to be honest - is assuming the public would just roll over and pay up as they have to-date.

Whatever the reason for this, my greatest hope from recent events is that it signals the beginning of the end of the Irish electorate's apathy and ignorance of how this country has been mismanaged since pretty much the formation of this State, and that people start to take a more active interest and role in ensuring that the politicians we elect deliver on what they promise, and remember that they are there to serve us - NOT the other way around!

Very much remains to be seen though, but if things return to "normal" when this mess has been resolved (one way or another), then I think we'll have missed a very valuable opportunity not likely to be repeated.

Excellent post

emo72 · 04-11-2014 11:20PM

Wurly wrote: »

Taken from the Boycott Irish Water page on Facebook:

"Hubert Kearns was Sligo County Manager for 17 years and when he retired in 2013 he received a lump sum of 270,000 and a pension of 68,000 per year. His time as Sligo manager was controversial and he left behind a County debt of 80 million. "It's not the end of the world, nobody died," he said about the council's financial woes. At one stage he refused to attend council meetings in a dispute with an independent Councillor and spent more than €50,000 council money hiring HR consultant Declan Naughton to monitor meetings. Asked to comment on reports that his own pay as Sligo Manager, at €136,000, was €30,000 more than that of the Spanish prime minister, Mr Kearns said his salary was fixed by Government. “I am surprised that the Spanish prime minister earns so little.”
So after retiring from Sligo he has his pockets full, thanks to the taxpayer - that's YOU and ME, So, has Mr Kearns taken up fishing? No, Hubert has apparently found gainful employment with Irish Water.
Irish Water, home to retired Council managers, headed up by retired Dublin Manager John Tierney (salary 200,000 Eur). But apparently Irish Water managers (like Hubert?) would have to get by on a measly 100,000. Hopefully though they might be able to survive once the expenses and free cars are factored in.
So you can see good people why it's going to take 20 years to fix all those rusty old water pipes!""

i have read this post a hundred times on different websites. and still i read it in its entirety each time. because its so shocking. its the equivalent of watching a slow motion car crash. we know its so terrible but we cant take our away from it. who is now googling "how to make molotov cocktails"?

Little CuChulainn · 04-11-2014 11:22PM

emo72 wrote: »

i have read this post a hundred times on different websites. and still i read it in its entirety each time. because its so shocking. its the equivalent of watching a slow motion car crash. we know its so terrible but we cant take our away from it. who is now googling "how to make molotov cocktails"?

Only violent scumbags.

cajonlardo · 04-11-2014 11:24PM

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

Only violent scumbags.

Give it a rest. We all know who the real scumbags are and you time is up.

Little CuChulainn · 04-11-2014 11:26PM

cajonlardo wrote: »

Give it a rest. We all know who the real scumbags are and you time is up.

So you think the use of violence is justifiable rather than wait for the next general election?

cajonlardo · 04-11-2014 11:30PM

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

So you think the use of violence is justifiable rather than wait for the next general election?

Where did I advocate violence?
If you cannot quote a post of mine I expect a retraction and apology.

emo72 · 04-11-2014 11:33PM

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

Only violent scumbags.

im like the old pensioners out protesting at the weekend:D

now, let me tell ya, when those auldfellas start to feel rowdy, you know there is a major shi tstorm a comin:pac:

DamagedTrax · 04-11-2014 11:33PM

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

So you think the use of violence is justifiable rather than wait for the next general election?

while not many of us will justify violence towards another human, forcible removal is perfectly acceptable if the situation calls for it.

emo72 · 04-11-2014 11:36PM

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

Only violent scumbags.

incidentally, i notice the only thing you took offence too was the term molotov cocktail. not the outrageous detail before it that made everyones jaw drop. and there i was standing there holding it waiting for you to offer me matches:rolleyes:

DamagedTrax · 04-11-2014 11:40PM

emo72 wrote: »

incidentally, i notice the only thing you took offence too was the term molotov cocktail. not the outrageous detail before it that made everyones jaw drop. and there i was standing there holding it waiting for you to offer me matches:rolleyes:

selective eyesight to go along with the well known FG condition of selective hearing.

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