Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2014 - Mod Warning in OP, 10/12

02-11-2014 07:54PM

Lord Trollington wrote: »

Glen Johnson (£90k) and Steven Gerrard (£140k) are both on almost a quarter a million a week between them. Both contracts up at the end of the year.

Would people renew one or both players contracts given their current form and contribution to the team?

Johnson is toast. I actually hate seeing him in the lineup now tbh.

Gerrard still has plenty to offer. I wouldn't be letting him go unless a top class replacement comes in.

klose · 02-11-2014 07:54PM

Lord Trollington wrote: »

Glen Johnson (£90k) and Steven Gerrard (£140k) are both on almost a quarter a million a week between them. Both contracts up at the end of the year.

Would people renew one or both players contracts given their current form and contribution to the team?

Id tell glen to start looking for a new club asap, i would like to see gerrard kept too. Kolo toures contract is up too so he will assumably be gone too, susos is up aswell. Flannos too but he will undoubtedly stay.
Whats interesting is skrtel and enriques are up the year after next and cannot see them getting extensions so would not be surprised to see them moved on in the summer.

Harry Palmr · 02-11-2014 07:57PM

rarnes1 wrote: »

Johnson is toast. I actually hate seeing him in the lineup now tbh.

Gerrard still has plenty to offer. I wouldn't be letting him go unless a top class replacement comes in.

I think Gerrard is going to be retained so the club don't have to buy a top replacement (even though they do).

02-11-2014 07:57PM

Reading about Rafa's transfer record is pretty retro

Chucky the tree · 02-11-2014 07:57PM

JohnDaniels wrote: »

His hit rate on players over £5m+ was very good. He did sign a lot of players but many of them were for next to nothing and he very rarely ever lost money on a player. His record in the transfer market on reflection is pretty great. The last window was extremely dodgy. He did though on a very tight budget fil our first team with top level international quality in every position. Reina, Aurelio, Arbelo, Agger, Alonso, Kuyt, Mascherano, Torres. I think it was hard for a lot of fans to see the wood for the trees at the time but looking back now knowing how hard it's to get it right even when you have money, he did spectacularly well with the resources he had available.

http://www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/index.php?topic=249365.0

I never said it was bad but his hit rate is not 50/50 if you include all transfers and if that's going to happen with Rodgers it should be counted for Rafa as well.

Turtyturd · 02-11-2014 07:59PM

rarnes1 wrote: »

Johnson is toast. I actually hate seeing him in the lineup now tbh.

Gerrard still has plenty to offer. I wouldn't be letting him go unless a top class replacement comes in.

Problem is we are never going to get a top class replacement, or see how the players we already have will perform in his position while he is there playing almost every minute of every game

Lord Trollington · 02-11-2014 07:59PM

Harry Palmr wrote: »

I think Gerrard is going to be retained so the club don't have to buy a top replacement (even though they do).

We seen how hard it was to attract top players in the summer with Champions League. If things keep going the way they are it will be impossible to sign any quality to replace SG.

Mr Alan · 02-11-2014 08:00PM

Chucky the tree wrote: »

I never said it was bad but his hit rate is not 50/50 if you include all transfers and if that's going to happen with Rodgers it should be counted for Rafa as well.

Ok, compare their records for deals over £5m if it makes you feel better.

Point remains the same. Rodgers' record is appalling.

NukaCola · 02-11-2014 08:01PM

Is "If things keep going the way they are" the new "Net spend"?

Lord Trollington · 02-11-2014 08:02PM

Utopia Parkway wrote: »

Johnson is almost certainly gone.

Gerrard should be allowed to retire as a Liverpool player so will get a 1 or 2 year deal. Maybe a rolling 1 year deal.

I dunno about that. There should be no room for sentimentality. I mean even if he takes a 50% pay cut he is still on £70k. That's massive money for someone who should be looking on from the line

tok9 · 02-11-2014 08:03PM

You know it's been a bad weekend when we start talking about Rafa again.

klose · 02-11-2014 08:04PM

Not defending rodgers dealings but the market when rafa was around had "value" todays market is bat**** crazy. What would Torres cost when leaving atletico for us in todays market? Reina? Alonso etc...

Harry Palmr · 02-11-2014 08:05PM

LOAN WATCH

Texieria - Full game in 3-2 away defeat
Wisdom - played full game in 0-1 away win
Ibe - played last 25 mins in 1-2 away defeat
Origi - Played full game in 1-1 home draw - failed to covert a peno
Ilori - Injured
Assiadi - unused sub
Coates - injured
Alberto - No game

On old friends - Conor Coady is the toast of Huddersfield right now, they love his crisp midfield bossery.

Harry Palmr · 02-11-2014 08:06PM

tok9 wrote: »

You know it's been a bad weekend when we start talking about Rafa again.

Certainly is when you consider how ropey Napoli have been bar beating Roma.

JohnDaniels · 02-11-2014 08:07PM

Chucky the tree wrote: »

I never said it was bad but his hit rate is not 50/50 if you include all transfers and if that's going to happen with Rodgers it should be counted for Rafa as well.

Excluding the two kids bought for the youth team, Yesil and Texeria. Rodgers has done very little shopping in the bargain basement. Something like 17/20 players have been £7m+

Lord Trollington · 02-11-2014 08:09PM

NukaCola wrote: »

Is "If things keep going the way they are" the new "Net spend"?

What turn of phrase should be used?

If we continue to play at the level we're at we should end up with 55-60 points and probably finished around 7/8th place.

Boom_Bap · 02-11-2014 08:09PM

One major thing that is being overlooked, but always gets brought up when Sanchez is mentioned, a big kick in the nuts for us is that players don't want to come to play for us. So it's not as easy as identifying the player we need and getting a medical done and signing a cheque. Mikatyran, Willian, Salah, Falcao (i believe he was) in recent years have been targeted, but chose not to come to us. I'd say Salah is the one that is kicking himself for that now given that he's barely making the matchday squad.

Mr Alan · 02-11-2014 08:10PM

JohnDaniels wrote: »

Excluding the two kids bought for the youth team, Yesil and Texeria. Rodgers has done very little shopping in the bargain basement. Something like 17/20 players have been £7m+

Which simply shows he has got some real backing in the market.

I suspect with the excuses he is starting to roll out around the transfer committee, lack of coaching time and lack of finances, FSG will be scratching their head & losing patience quicker than people here realise.

NukaCola · 02-11-2014 08:10PM

Calling a managers signings appalling when 9 signed a few months ago is so harsh its unfair.

Apart from Aspas, Borini, Assaidi and possibly Alberto every other player bought has a future with the club, wether its squad or first team. Based on the state of the squad BR inherited I think the squad is in a healthy state both financially and talent. The average age of our squad is 23 dont forget.

NukaCola · 02-11-2014 08:11PM

Lord Trollington wrote: »

What turn of phrase should be used?

If we continue to play at the level we're at we should end up with 55-60 points and probably finished around 7/8th place.

Was just kidding around....

Mr Alan · 02-11-2014 08:11PM

NukaCola wrote: »

Based on the state of the squad BR inherited I think the squad is in a healthy state both financially and talent. The average age of our squad is 23 dont forget.

Then why are we playing so poorly & showing no signs of improving?

5starpool · 02-11-2014 08:12PM

Johnson is far from our worst defender this season tbh.

Mr Alan · 02-11-2014 08:13PM

5starpool wrote: »

Johnson is far from our worst defender this season tbh.

That honour goes to Señor Lovren

Lord Trollington · 02-11-2014 08:14PM

I was away yesterday and wasn't in the match thread.

What was peoples opinion on on Sissoko challenge on Allen.

How was it not a red considering the view the referee had. Leg breaking I thought.

Chucky the tree · 02-11-2014 08:16PM

JohnDaniels wrote: »

Excluding the two kids bought for the youth team, Yesil and Texeria. Rodgers has done very little shopping in the bargain basement. Something like 17/20 players have been £7m+

I don't think it's any different to spending £3m in 2007/2008 era for example. The problem with Rodgers is that when you buy young players you need to give them time before calling them a hit or a miss. Not to mention lumping all the summer signings in when comparing Rodgers record in the transfer market is allow incredibly stupid.

Agent Coulson · 02-11-2014 08:16PM

Lord Trollington wrote: »

I was away yesterday and wasn't in the match thread.

What was peoples opinion on on Sissoko challenge on Allen.

How was it not a red considering the view the referee had. Leg breaking I thought.

Newcastle should have had 2 players sent off.

I said yesterday even down to 9 men they would have beaten us.

Lord Trollington · 02-11-2014 08:17PM

Mr Alan wrote: »

That honour goes to Señor Lovren

A very simplistic view to blame Lovren for our failings. To me I think our attacking play is nothing short of abysmal. We've only conceded 3 more than Chelsea and Man City.

It's a complete system failure.

NukaCola · 02-11-2014 08:18PM

Chucky the tree wrote: »

I don't think it's any different to spending £3m in 2007/2008 era for example. The problem with Rodgers is that when you buy young players you need to give them time before calling them a hit or a miss. Not to mention lumping all the summer signings in when comparing Rodgers record in the transfer market is allow incredibly stupid.

If not stupid, then impatient and/or short sighted.

Mr Alan · 02-11-2014 08:18PM

Chucky the tree wrote: »

I don't think it's any different to spending £3m in 2007/2008 era for example. The problem with Rodgers is that when you buy young players you need to give them time before calling them a hit or a miss. Not to mention lumping all the summer signings in when comparing Rodgers record in the transfer market is allow incredibly stupid.

Last summer & Jan was horrendous too tbh. Are we allowed judge them yet?

Lord Trollington · 02-11-2014 08:19PM

Agent Coulson wrote: »

Newcastle should have had 2 players sent off.

I said yesterday even down to 9 men they would have beaten us.

I recorded the game and watched in full not knowing the result and for the whole 70 odd minutes before we conceded I was waiting for us to kick on and up the tempo.

It never happened. A shocking performance, our worst under BR in my opinion.

Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2014 - Mod Warning in OP, 10/12

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