Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2014 - Mod Warning in OP, 10/12

klose

magma69 wrote: »

We're not playing Madrid tomorrow night.

The day after tomorrow night, m'bad.

klose

5starpool wrote: »

Not tomorrow night yet, although that depends where you are posting from I guess.

If we keep it to 3-0 again we'll be doing well I suspect. Hopefully Madrid won't be too bothered in embarrassing us too much.

Ronaldo has the chance to break rauls record that game too ahead of messi. Bale back in training for em too, could be a long night.

pmy.murphy

We need some adjustments in January. What do we all think is needed? Personally I dont think Goalkeeper should be a top priority but a new one would be nice at some stage once we sort out the even bigger problems out the field.

Personally I would like to see a defensive midfielder, an enforcer who can literally "cut the legs" from under the opposition and provide some protection for the back 4 to allow the other guys to do their thing. I do think a specialised player for this position would make a huge difference.

Also noticed that Saido Berahino is quoted at 25 million. We would be foolish to pay that. He may be good but not that good

daRobot

Agent Coulson wrote: »

ridged.

For Big Sam's pleasure.

rob316

pmy.murphy wrote: »

We need some adjustments in January. What do we all think is needed? Personally I dont think Goalkeeper should be a top priority but a new one would be nice at some stage once we sort out the even bigger problems out the field.

Personally I would like to see a defensive midfielder, an enforcer who can literally "cut the legs" from under the opposition and provide some protection for the back 4 to allow the other guys to do their thing. I do think a specialised player for this position would make a huge difference.

Also noticed that Saido Berahino is quoted at 25 million. We would be foolish to pay that. He may be good but not that good

The best striker we can possibly get that is what we need and what we needed in the summer.

OwaynOTT

It's not too early to have an opinion but it's too early to have a fully informed opinion.

Last year was beyond all expectations, that any sane fan could have.

Rodgers first season got better and better as it went on and the team finished in fine form.

It can be argued that for a season and a half, Rodgers had the team playing some great attacking football and generally doing well point wise.

He has had one half a bad season, when he started off which in fairness can be forgiven, as he was settling in.

There is november, December, January, February, March, April and May left in this season left. The criticism Rodgers is getting is OTT from a lot of corners. Things are bad but Rodgers has shown he can get teams playing well. Touching distance of 3rd, quarters of league cup and can still get out of champions league group - how can that warrant the crisis talks going in in here?

I thought people loved cup runs? Well we are in one and no disrespect to Bournemouth but it is reasonable to expect that the club will get to the semis. Which is an improvement on Rodgers previous cup endeavours with the club.

The result in Switzerland was disappointing but we can still get through if we beat Basel at home and Ludogrets away. Not easy considering our form but definitely doable.

The way I see the table at the moment, is that there is only one club that are our real league competition ahead of us. That team is Arsenal. It's between Utd, Arsenal and Liverpool for 3rd and 4th. There's fcuk all in it so far - no need to be stressing out but that's not to say concern is not warranted.

I'm concerned and pissed at the results and performances.

But then I reflect on the fact that Sturridge is missing. So many goals missing in the first 3 months.

Lallana is just back from injury and had a stop start pre-season but still looks good and it can be reasonable expected that he will further improve.

Balotelli will benefit from Sturrdige return.

Borini looks to be forcing his way in.

Allen and Can are just back from injury and should help the midfield. Can looks good for his few bits.

Defence is a major worry.

As shoite and all we are currently, it's far from over.

How there's is talk of Rafa and all the other stuff is beyond me. How has Rodgers not done enough to gain some leeway?

Liverpool have been also rans so much in the last two decades, with some glorious blips. An excellent season last, that built on a good finish to the year before and a little poor patch - which doesn't see us out of it for 4th/3rd, league cup and champions league knock out stages - and the knives are out.

rob316

Campaign on twitter to fly a rodgers out banner over Anfield during chelsea game. Idiots

Turtyturd

Would put money on that being started by a fan of another team.

Possibly from a set of fans who embarrassingly made a similar statement.

rob316

Check out @RodgersOutClub's Tweet: https://twitter.com/RodgersOutClub/status/529007565863411712

Disgusting. To slam the players as rubbish is unacceptable.

~Rebel~

rob316 wrote: »

Check out @RodgersOutClub's Tweet: https://twitter.com/RodgersOutClub/status/529007565863411712

Disgusting. To slam the players as rubbish is unacceptable.

Ugh, can we just not even give that guy any coverage. It's obviously not real. A banner to be flown high over a stadium, with the insulting part in tiny letters...?

OwaynOTT

~Rebel~ wrote: »

Ugh, can we just not even give that guy any coverage. It's obviously not real. A banner to be flown high over a stadium, with the insulting part in tiny letters...?

Maybe he's just a tiny chancer.

daithijjj

PhiloCypher wrote: »

Considering Sakhos form for France and psg before moving here , I'm completely baffled how people people are righting him off as being not good enough. The problem with our defence is clearly in the coaching(and currently a lack of confidence), with our squad selection and philosophy leaving our defense badly exposed time after time .

In fact If I had a problem with Sakho its that thus far he seems to be almost as much of a crock as Agger. As such there has been **** all continuity in our defense for the last 18 months , when everyone is fit Rodgers needs to decide on his cb pairing and stick with it regardless of whether we concede a soft goal or 2 or who is back from injury.

Now Sakho may well not make it at pool as Lovren seems to be "a Rodgers signing" and Skrtel has seniority but it has absolutely nothing to do with him being a poor player. A poor signing perhaps but that's something completely different. If we sold him on I'd have every confidence in him being a success given a uninterrupted run in whatever side he ended up in.

Its 8 months since Skrtel had a clean sheet in the league. 8 MONTHS!!

I actually find it hilarious that some dont see how bad he is for us.

Some criticise Lovren for not being the leader he was supposed to be.

I just wish people would see some of the irony that they expect a player just turned 25 when we got him a few months back to be the leader over a player who turns 30 in a few weeks and been with us almost 6 years.

The mere fact that people expect such things from Lovren actually highlights a double standard in views. The only clean sheet we had this season came when neither of the scapegoats had to play with him.

Utopia Parkway

rob316 wrote: »

Check out @RodgersOutClub's Tweet: https://twitter.com/RodgersOutClub/status/529007565863411712

Disgusting. To slam the players as rubbish is unacceptable.

Would be very surprised if that's a genuine Liverpool fan. I'm guessing it's the work of fans of another unnamed club.

Sir Gallagher

New thread? Anyone up for a meet up so we can all kick each others face in? DrumSteve nominates Chasers in Ballyer.

J Mysterio

Francie Barrett wrote: »

The difference between us and the other big clubs is that they have accepted that you need to spend massively to bring in top quality play-making/attacking talent. We on the other hand are missing out on these players because we got stung so badly on Carroll that the owners have adopted the strategy of quantity over quality. Before we even kicked a ball this season, I was appalled with our transfers over the Summer. Lallana was way too expensive, £25M for a 26 year old who although is a good player, wasn't likely to step up to be CL quality. £20M on Markovic is starting to look like the worst bit of business we've done. At least when things were going wrong for Sterling last season, I was always confident that he was always getting on the ball, trying different things and working his nuts off. I don't see that from Markovic. What's annoying is that we're about see Suso leave the club on a free, a player who has actually contributed more his career than Markovic. Massively overspending on defenders was also another big mistake. Skrtel and Agger might have mistakes in them but they are generally very good players. We've just spent £50M to replace them, and the defence looks even worse. The fact we miss out on so many of our targets is a damning indictment of our transfer policy.

Hopefully the owners learn from all this and in the next window we focus on quality.

I really really hope Suso isnt let go, he has real class. Didnt he score off the bench a few weeks ago (only to be completely dropped from the squad again)?

dogbert27

daithijjj wrote: »

Its 8 months since Skrtel had a clean sheet in the league. 8 MONTHS!!

Some criticise Lovren for not being the leader he was supposed to be.


The mere fact that people expect such things from Lovren actually highlights a double standard in views.

It could be down to Rodgers who stated that last season he didn't have a leader at the back after Carragher retired and that's why he signed Lovren.

dogbert27

I've been thinking about Balotelli and how strikers are confidence players. Should Gerrard have given the penalty against Spurs to Balotelli?
It would have got him off the mark, scoring in his first game and not have this albatross around his neck now of not having scored in the league.

Sir Gallagher

dogbert27 wrote: »

I've been thinking about Balotelli and how strikers are confidence players. Should Gerrard have given the penalty against Spurs to Balotelli?
It would have got him off the mark, scoring in his first game and not have this albatross around his neck now of not having scored in the league.

No.

dogbert27

Sir Gallagher wrote: »

No.

Why not?

Gbear

rob316 wrote: »

Check out @RodgersOutClub's Tweet: https://twitter.com/RodgersOutClub/status/529007565863411712

Disgusting. To slam the players as rubbish is unacceptable.

I think it's the same troll talking about 1000's of people showing up to an anti-Rodgers march before Swansea.

I wouldn't worry about it.

Augmerson

dogbert27 wrote: »

Why not?

Balotelli shouldn't need Gerrard's charity. He has enough talent to be scoring. And he will, hopefully soon.

LuckyLloyd

Chucky the tree wrote: »

Just on wages issue, this is the wages spend in 2012/13

City - £233m
United - £183m
Chelsea - £179m
Arsenal - £154m
Liverpool £133m


Those differences are crazy. The difference between us an chelsea is roughly 6 extra Di Marias. People go on about us spending £100m+ in transfer this summer while City spend that amount extra on wages every year compared to us. Asking us to compete with these 5 other teams is a huge ask.

BenEadir wrote: »

Spot on PLUS the reality is if we're offering the same wages to a player as any of the others on that list the player (Willian, Sanchez etc etc) will 9 times out of 10 prefer the other clubs for two reasons 1. They have huge financial clout and are likely to be able to buy success (City, United and Chelsea) and 2. They are in London which is quite simply where modern footballers (and their wives/girlfriends) want to be. With that reality we would actually need to be paying 15% to 20% MORE than the others in wages in order to attract the very best players and we simply don't have that financial clout and under FSG we never will unless FFP is actually implemented and we can organically grow the commercial side of the club which in fairness to them they are doing pretty well i.e. increased sponsorship deals, bigger stadium on the way etc.

So that's it then? There you are now - wage bill says we can't achieve top four so shut up and accept our return to irrelevance within a season? Okay.

It's the same as people constantly noting to a poor transfer record that 'it's our policy'.

If your policies and structures won't deliver success then they aren't acceptable.

tok9

No, we are just stating what we are competing against.

Have you forgotten where we finished last season? 2nd place. Surely that would be deemed as a success.

Right now we're playing poorly but we're still in every competition and still have a good chance in progressing well in all of them.

LuckyLloyd

tok9 wrote: »

No, we are just stating what we are competing against.

Have you forgotten where we finished last season? 2nd place. Surely that would be deemed as a success.

Right now we're playing poorly but we're still in every competition and still have a good chance in progressing well in all of them.

Last season was a great success. As such, while I can accept the lack of a title challenge to follow on from it I do expect us to finish top four.

tok9

I do too. We absolutely have to be challenging for top 4. And surprisingly we're still in a great position to get top 4.

I just think it's a little early to get the knifes out when we are still in a good position overall.

dogbert27

Augmerson wrote: »

Balotelli shouldn't need Gerrard's charity. He has enough talent to be scoring. And he will, hopefully soon.

Gerrard gave Sturridge the penalty against Everton last season to get his hat-trick.

I suppose my point was that if he hit the ground running on day one would we be seeing a different Balotelli now?

Bandana boy

The fact we are still in the hunt for top 4 is a mixture of our competitors failings and some lucky results for us.
Performances this season have been terrbile.
The team is set up incorrectly to win games ,when we have won it has been pretty much against the run of play.

I cannot fathom why the Mario on his own up front experiment continues ,it has been a resounding flop.
One of Brod strengths last season was being able to change things when they were not working. Why he is refusing to change this year I am struggling to understand.

We were muck against Swansea until we went two up front Boroni and Mario and then we looked good ,the team looked dynamic again. How do we not then start with that line up against Newcastle ? How do we not change that up at half time when we looked bereft of ideas in the first half.

Talk of Sacking Rodgers is a bit premature but he needs to react to how his team is playing. Results have gone our way around us ,we are not taking advantage of this. It is not a big stretch to see us with a season essentially over by Xmas again.

rob316

Talk of sacking Rodgers isn't premature its ridiculous IMO. The same man who gave us our best league season in over 20 years. Yes Suarez was a big factor last season but if he takes the flak for poor results he should take the plaudits for last season.

It is short sighted to say he has been "found out" or "tactically inept", his tactics destroyed the likes of Everton, Spurs and Arsenal last year on more than one occasion. What he is struggling with IMO is having a big squad, trying to keep everyone happy with sufficient playing time. Last year was so much easier, the team picked itself and played week in week out.

He is without his 2 strikers from last season, wether it his fault or boards for been in this situation is irrelevant, this is what he has and its not sufficient right now. Sturridge is a huge player for us, if we can get him fit and firing the difference he will make to this team will be night and day.

I don't think, I know he will turn this around.

Gbear

I think it's fair to say that the backlash against the "Rodgers out" people has run it's course.

There really hasn't been many of them and I think they've been jumped up and down on sufficiently.:P

benny79

I can't believe he is continuing with the lone striker especially since its clearly not working & how well Mario any Boroni looked during the week!

As I said before one of the main reasons of playing CL football is it also attracts the top players and we should of signed at least 2 world class players! We mighten be in it next year at this rate! correct me if Im wrong but I think Rogers even pointed this out last year yet when we get Cl football theres still no big signings!! and the fact are defence is not been addressed or worked on is a major concern for me and my confidence in Rogers especially since it cost us the title last year and its worse now ffs...

And this **** they will only go to London clubs is bull, never stops united signing them even without CL football as this year proved. yes wages is a factor but were Liverpool FC is one of the biggest clubs in the world so that shouldn't be that big a factor!
At the end of the day buck stops with the Manager! but I agree its way to early to call for his head, but its not looking good for the future.