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Hitchens · 27-10-2014 06:26PM

Meathlass wrote: »

I don't see there being any problem in explaining Paulie's death. Siobhán will just say they were both high (which will be confirmed by the toxicology report) and he fall off the balcony.

However, the last time Paulie met Nidge he told him that Nidge had a rat in his organisation. If Siobhán isn't convincing, Nidge could put 2 and 2 together.

which is something that Nidge is very good at.................and is why he has survived so long.

the only one he has a bit of trouble figuring out is Fran...............who is just an un-exploded grenade at all times

walshb · 27-10-2014 06:27PM

Blay wrote: »

Killing a man in revenge after he shot your child makes no sense...right.

WTF? Where did I infer or imply this?

My point, clear as day was the complete lack of an interrogation before the execution. That was IMO senseless.

Daith · 27-10-2014 06:32PM

walshb wrote: »

My point, clear as day was the complete lack of an interrogation before the execution. That was IMO senseless.

Patrick didn't need one. He knew who sent him. What would an interrogation have achieved?

Witcher · 27-10-2014 06:33PM

walshb wrote: »

WTF? Where did I infer or imply this?

My point, clear as day was the complete lack of an interrogation before the execution.

'Patrick doing what he did after such a traumatic and disturbing episode makes no sense at all.'

^^ It looks like you were referring to him killing the guy.

He did question him but he knew who had sent him anyway...the same person who had tried to kill him twice before.

You can drone on with 'But someone else might have been after him so how did he know it was Nidge' etc. all you want, we have had no indication that anyone else if feuding with Patrick. Nidge is his main enemy.

BuilderPlumber · 27-10-2014 06:34PM

johnpatrick81 wrote: »

Last series was a bit of a chore to watch. This one just gets better and better. Brilliant episode. I echo the praise of Patrick, fantastic acting. Although the acting by pretty much everyone in that episode was top notch.

The nit pickers on here are hilarious. Filming locations getting criticized?! Seriously!?:D

It's going from strength to strength.

This season is very good and there has been something good in all the four episodes so far. Paddy/Patrick is a great character and has become the Dano of this season overall. After last night, we will see him with a renewed vengeance to take out Nidge. Nidge's 3 attempts to get him have all failed.

So, what will happen in the last 2 episodes? Nidge seems increasingly isolated: Fran is his sworn enemy at present, Siobhan too, Ado is also turning against him, Paulie is dead, Tony does not seem to feature this time around, Tommy may wake up and realise Nidge hit him, Terence is bound to want answers from Nidge about Paulie, and the gardai are everywhere. This leaves just Elmo and Noelie as viable allies.

Predictions? We will see the death of one of Nidge's main henchmen like Elmo or Ado. But who will do it? The travellers, someone working for Fran, Nidge himself, Terence? Nidge will be up against combined forces of Fran and the travellers as well as Terence and Siobhan and perhaps Tommy. I predict as was hinted at since series 4 that one of Nidge's children will be killed or injured. Fran could also plan a hit on Trish. Ultimately, some major characters will not survive episode 6.

Lucy and Harry · 27-10-2014 06:40PM

I used to think Elmo and Aido were fools and useless but when you see Elmo bossing the inner city small time drug dealers around and see Aido bullying the traveller junkie and telling the one that wanted a smoke to F off you see that on lower levels they are the top dogs.It is just when Nidge and John Boy were around you saw they knew they were top dog and showed their belly for a rub.Trying to make the top dog happy.But like John Boys death that came from nowhere after his own gang turned against him could Nidges gang be going against him.He has nobody left.

Larry Wildman · 27-10-2014 06:42PM

What was the point of interrogating the assassin?

I really wonder whether some people watch the show at all. Or whether they're the ones who talk at the cinema and then wonder why something is happening.

That was the third assassination attempt on Patrick within a pretty short space of time. The first two were perpetrated by agents of Nidge. What do viewers want - Patrick to say "I assume that you're working for that fella Nidge?".

As for the killing, it was entirely realistic. We heard Patrick's thought process - Yes, killing someone is a big deal but if he let him live the world would know that Patrick doesn't / can't protect his family.

walshb · 27-10-2014 06:44PM

Daith wrote: »

Patrick didn't need one. He knew who sent him. What would an interrogation have achieved?

What would an interrogation have achieved? You need to even ask this?

Anyway, it was just one point that I thought they missed.

BuilderPlumber · 27-10-2014 06:45PM

Meathlass wrote: »

I don't see there being any problem in explaining Paulie's death. Siobhán will just say they were both high (which will be confirmed by the toxicology report) and he fall off the balcony.

However, the last time Paulie met Nidge he told him that Nidge had a rat in his organisation. If Siobhán isn't convincing, Nidge could put 2 and 2 together.

Nidge will suspect something is not quite right. He will be expected to by Terence investigate how Paulie was killed and why. He will think back to that last meeting he had with Paulie and suddenly realise there are rats in the organisation. Siobhan may be seen meeting the cops too. Nidge will be left with a dilemma: his niece being the rat and a hard decision to contemplate having her killed?

Hitchens · 27-10-2014 06:46PM

one point about the attempt on Patrick's life is that Nidge and his allies knew that Patrick wears a bullet proof vest (after the failed attempt), so you'd expect Aido to have mentioned this fact to the hitman

Witcher · 27-10-2014 06:46PM

Hitchens wrote: »

one point about the attempt on Patrick's life is that Nidge and his allies knew that Patrick wears a bullet proof vest (after the failed attempt), so you'd expect Aido to have mentioned this fact to the hitman

Someone wasn't watching close enough.....

Aido told him to put two rounds in his head because he's wearing a vest.

Larry Wildman · 27-10-2014 06:47PM

Viewers are gas.

Patrick wondering wistfully "who's trying to kill me" whilst in a feud with Nidge and having survived two assassination attempts by Nidge's crew would have been utterly ridiculous.

If he said "who's trying to kill me?" people would be complaining about Travellers being portrayed as stupid.

27-10-2014 06:48PM

Hitchens wrote: »

one point about the attempt on Patrick's life is that Nidge and his allies knew that Patrick wears a bullet proof vest (after the failed attempt), so you'd expect Aido to have mentioned this fact to the hitman

But.. he did

Larry Wildman · 27-10-2014 06:48PM

Hitchens wrote: »

one point about the attempt on Patrick's life is that Nidge and his allies knew that Patrick wears a bullet proof vest (after the failed attempt), so you'd expect Aido to have mentioned this fact to the hitman

He did.

I think that's how Patrick's son was hit - Failed head shot.

Little CuChulainn · 27-10-2014 06:50PM

johnpatrick81 wrote: »

The nit pickers on here are hilarious. Filming locations getting criticized?! Seriously!?:D

Christ almighty. I didn't expect people to get so butt hurt about a little criticism. I thought this place was for discussing the show, not fawning all over it.

BuilderPlumber wrote: »

Predictions? We will see the death of one of Nidge's main henchmen like Elmo or Ado. But who will do it? The travellers, someone working for Fran, Nidge himself, Terence? Nidge will be up against combined forces of Fran and the travellers as well as Terence and Siobhan and perhaps Tommy. I predict as was hinted at since series 4 that one of Nidge's children will be killed or injured. Fran could also plan a hit on Trish. Ultimately, some major characters will not survive episode 6.

Wouldn't be surprised to see Nidge, Aido and Elmo all locked up or killed and the young lad they use as a hitman start doing some business of his own. Everything changes but it all stays the same.

BuilderPlumber · 27-10-2014 06:52PM

Lucy and Harry wrote: »

I used to think Elmo and Aido were fools and useless but when you see Elmo bossing the inner city small time drug dealers around and see Aido bullying the traveller junkie and telling the one that wanted a smoke to F off you see that on lower levels they are the top dogs.It is just when Nidge and John Boy were around you saw they knew they were top dog and showed their belly for a rub.Trying to make the top dog happy.But like John Boys death that came from nowhere after his own gang turned against him could Nidges gang be going against him.He has nobody left.

Elmo and Ado are survivors and have made it through 4 and a half series so far. I suspect the end of the road is coming for one of them though. For now, Elmo seems to be the only gang member who is loyal to Nidge. With Darren dead, Tommy in poor health, Fran a major enemy and Ado questioning his allegiances, Nidge's gang is no longer in his control. Nidge's very survival depends now on getting a new set of people around him and perhaps he could set up all his enemies to clash: Team Fran, the travellers, Ado, the cops. Since clipping Lizzie, Nidge has not successfully got rid of any of his enemies.

Hitchens · 27-10-2014 06:52PM

Blay wrote: »

Someone wasn't watching close enough.....

Aido told him to put two rounds in his head because he's wearing a vest.

I must have missed him saying about the vest....................I thought he said give him 2 rounds in the head when he's down - or something like that

Witcher · 27-10-2014 06:54PM

Hitchens wrote: »

I must have missed him saying about the vest....................I thought he said give him 2 rounds in the head when he's down - or something like that

Then he said 'because he's probably wearing a vest'.

BuilderPlumber · 27-10-2014 06:55PM

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

Christ almighty. I didn't expect people to get so butt hurt about a little criticism. I thought this place was for discussing the show, not fawning all over it.

Wouldn't be surprised to see Nidge, Aido and Elmo all locked up or killed and the young lad they use as a hitman start doing some business of his own. Everything changes but it all stays the same.

Imagine if Nidge and Fran ended up in the same prison? Perhaps, this could be season 6.

Hitchens · 27-10-2014 06:56PM

Blay wrote: »

Then he said 'because he's probably wearing a vest'.

so how does he get him down though, without the head shots first?

Witcher · 27-10-2014 06:57PM

Hitchens wrote: »

so how does he get him down though, without the head shots first?

By shooting him in the vest...getting shot even with a vest on is like being hit with a sledgehammer.

We saw Patrick go down flat on his face the other week when Paulie shot him in the back, Aido told him to follow up with the headshots after Patrick had gone down.

Hitchens · 27-10-2014 06:59PM

Blay wrote: »

By shooting him in the vest...getting shot even with a vest on is like being hit with a sledgehammer.

We saw Patrick go down flat on his face the other week when Paulie shot him in the back.

so he must have missed with every shot then...................because he seemed to empty the full clip

Witcher · 27-10-2014 07:01PM

Hitchens wrote: »

so he must have missed with every shot then...................because he seemed to empty the full clip

He was waving the gun around everywhere while firing.

27-10-2014 07:03PM

Hitchens wrote: »

so he must have missed with every shot then...................because he seemed to empty the full clip

From what I can see, he fires 6, first hits, second misses, 3rd hits the boy, then 3 more that seem to miss

kryogen · 27-10-2014 07:04PM

Hitchens wrote: »

so how does he get him down though, without the head shots first?

The impact of the bullets should still knock him down even with a vest, particularly at such close range.

Aido told him to put two bullets in his head when he had him down, because he would be wearing a vest. Its very simple.

Hitchens · 27-10-2014 07:06PM

kryogen wrote: »

The impact of the bullets should still knock him down even with a vest, particularly at such close range.

Aido told him to put two bullets in his head when he had him down, because he would be wearing a vest. Its very simple.

so are we to take it that he missed with every shot after firing the full clip?

Witcher · 27-10-2014 07:10PM

Hitchens wrote: »

so are we to take it that he missed with every shot after firing the full clip?

Ever fired a pistol? Even a tiny movement of the muzzle makes the bullet go everywhere. Lacing off shots with a pistol while you're holding it with one hand will make it move around.

As has been said- he caught Patrick with one but then Patrick is stumbling and charging him down, the lad is panicking and firing faster..all that doesn't help his accuracy.

Daith · 27-10-2014 07:10PM

walshb wrote: »

What would an interrogation have achieved? You need to even ask this?

Anyway, it was just one point that I thought they missed.

He knew who sent him? What else would he want?

walshb · 27-10-2014 07:14PM

Daith wrote: »

He knew who sent him? What else would he want?

You are asking the same question again. If you don't think that anything of any potential worth could be gained by an interrogation on a man who just tried to murder you then that's ok.

Hitchens · 27-10-2014 07:16PM

Blay wrote: »

Ever fired a pistol? Even a tiny movement of the muzzle makes the bullet go everywhere. Lacing off shots with a pistol while you're holding it with one hand will make it move around.

As has been said- he caught Patrick with one but then Patrick is stumbling and charging him down, the lad is panicking and firing faster..all that doesn't help his accuracy.

no, never fired any gun...................but if he caught Patrick with one (which has a sledgehammer effect?) why didn't Patrick go down - like he did during the first attempt on his life?

I haven't watched it again but from what I remember Patrick never even slowed down

only asking

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