Gameweek 9 Transfers.

manual_man wrote: »

This game would send ya over the edge... But feck it look here pal you're doin great and in a great position to kick on. I hereby promise to warn ye off it if I sense another RVP-Nolan bout of madness comin on Or just take a moment yourself, look at the Mick tea gif, and....... Go make yourself a cuppa

A cuppa solves most things

Ah no I'm over it really. I just enjoy complaining which may have become noticeable over the past 2 years :pac:

I would appreciate a Mick gif every so often though I was just so sure I'd wildcard the following week. Anyway I'm still in shock that I'm doing so well. I mean 6k and the WC still in my pocket regardless of some defensive frailties I wouldn't believe anyone if they said this is where I'd be going into GW9

Mint Sauce wrote: »

5.0 and 4.5 on Goalies, too much?

Would have thought a fit Ramsey would be one to have, any other suggestions instead of Chadli staying in budget?

Well it's 0.5m too much on goalies. You can have a 4.0 on the bench instead of a 4.5

I'd hold off on Ramsey for now. Too many other good options at the moment. When he finds a bit of form he'll be the man to have alright

iroced wrote: »

Great post Lemlin.

Looking at the table you posted this looks like the perfect plan. On paper... Have to say I've been burnt by the rotation route several times (with the away CS smiling on my bench...) but in reality it's the only route really.

Only thing is Arsenal are in very poor form at the moment. Only 1 CS. And they don't inspire confidence at the back. Chambers is cheap but he could be a real not such good idea. I'd have a lot more confidence in Spurs and Kaboul. Spurs rotate well with palace (34 games) and Chelsea (30 games) so maybe one of these rotation, albeit more expensive, would prove worthier.

Cheers. Kaboul is my definite for this week once he comes through Europa League unscathed. I can reassess the Chambers situation but my thinking is Arsenal have to tighten up at some point.

Re Chelsea, to get Azpi I'd have to drop Naylor and I was planning to hold onto him. That'd also leave me with Kaboul, Azpi and 3 4.0 mil cheapies which is one too many long term IMO. I'd have no cash in the bank either.

As for Palace, I have no faith in Warnock as a manager. Will keep an eye on them but he's the main issue I have.

Shedite27 wrote: »

I had a think about this post over the past few days, trying to weigh up whether to go for Baines or not.

In my opinion, to make this a fair comparison, you have to take away the CS points to weigh it up (as you can get the same CS points by selecting Jags at 5.5m. When you do that, Baines' points are 117, 133, and 98 (average of 116). That's what you're getting for the extra 1.6m. That puts him in the category of more mid-priced mids (Nolan, Carzola from last season).

So by my logic (which people are free to disagree with, they're getting a mid-priced mid (116pts) for 7.1m, which is about right. For a mid who'll score 116 this season you'll probably pay more than 7.1, but less than 8 anyway. IMO, yes, he's value, but he doesn't equate to a premium midfielder

But surely it's about the points overall though? For the price of a mid-priced midfielder like Nolan you're getting Nolan's points + Jagielka's clean sheets points, which sounds like value to me.

FrClintPower wrote: »

But surely it's about the points overall though? For the price of a mid-priced midfielder like Nolan you're getting Nolan's points + Jagielka's clean sheets points, which sounds like value to me.

Ya. I'd also be looking at the points overall.

Shedite27 wrote: »

I had a think about this post over the past few days, trying to weigh up whether to go for Baines or not.

In my opinion, to make this a fair comparison, you have to take away the CS points to weigh it up (as you can get the same CS points by selecting Jags at 5.5m. When you do that, Baines' points are 117, 133, and 98 (average of 116). That's what you're getting for the extra 1.6m. That puts him in the category of more mid-priced mids (Nolan, Carzola from last season).

So by my logic (which people are free to disagree with, they're getting a mid-priced mid (116pts) for 7.1m, which is about right. For a mid who'll score 116 this season you'll probably pay more than 7.1, but less than 8 anyway. IMO, yes, he's value, but he doesn't equate to a premium midfielder

That's it! As I've been pulling around my team trying to fit Baines in I've known on a gut level that despite G1032's post it didn't seem sensible to drop ADM, Fab etc to get him.

I read back the post earlier to try and find a flaw, but I think you have it.

You don't even have to use Jag as the counter argument, I'd say if you deducted the clean sheet points you'd get from a good 5 or even 4.5 defender it would reduce the value.

Another way to look at it is the total cost of the two players.

Baines + 7.0m mid = 14m
5m def + 9m mid = 14m

Probably could expect to score around the same.

Think I'd still prefer the second one.

I am now back off the Baines bus.

Baines is a great player once you have high team value, but he tends to throw off the balance before that. If Costa is out, he's straight in my team. But he would also be sacrificed once I want that premium striker slot back.

Ziegler1988 wrote: »

Tomkins at 5.0m has great stats for touches inside the box. He was my differential until not making the squad against Burnley :rolleyes:

I had him for a while last season when James Collins decided he'd be superman for the same few weeks so have a bit of an irrational thing with him.

Cresswell had a great assists record last season for Ipswich I believe although I'm sure he had set-pieces there too. Now that he's settling in and has that first assist he might kick on....or I'm applying wishful thinking. I think Allardyce will tighten things up a little and there's handy fixtures which could warrant a WHam defender

Shedite27 wrote: »

You need to take away the appearance points from those, so it's a lot less when you do that.

I'm not saying it's not value, but the post I replied to suggested you're getting a 10m player for 7.1, whereas it's really about an 8m player for 7.1

Of course, there's only one set of appearance points allowed! But he's still Nolan + some (10+?) clean sheets, so worth more than Nolan alone.

Ziegler1988 wrote: »

Baines is a great player once you have high team value, but he tends to throw off the balance before that. If Costa is out, he's straight in my team. But he would also be sacrificed once I want that premium striker slot back.

Depending on what formation you are playing you can have 2 premium strikers with say welbeck and brains and play 433 so sacrifice say siggy

Shedite27 wrote: »

I had a think about this post over the past few days, trying to weigh up whether to go for Baines or not.

In my opinion, to make this a fair comparison, you have to take away the CS points to weigh it up (as you can get the same CS points by selecting Jags at 5.5m. When you do that, Baines' points are 117, 133, and 98 (average of 116). That's what you're getting for the extra 1.6m. That puts him in the category of more mid-priced mids (Nolan, Carzola from last season).

So by my logic (which people are free to disagree with, they're getting a mid-priced mid (116pts) for 7.1m, which is about right. For a mid who'll score 116 this season you'll probably pay more than 7.1, but less than 8 anyway. IMO, yes, he's value, but he doesn't equate to a premium midfielder

I'm sorry but that makes no sense whatsoever. Total points is the only relevant thing when doing a points comparison. Unless your trying to say that Everton won't get a single clean sheet for the remainder of the season, which let's face it isn't going to happen.

Let's simplify things: Finding a player in ANY position for close to 7M that goes on to score 150+ points is going to represent good value. Baines, based on his very high consistent scoring for a number of seasons, and the great current form he is showing, would look to be a very good bet. There's simply no getting away from that.

Deducting points which have been earned just doesn't count :P

I really want hazard and sanchez in my team for gw 10 home to qpr and burnley respectively. Now to figure out a way of doing it.
I was all on for baines but the way Im looking at it is baines moore or azpil kaboul. Azpil Kaboul for me.

Shedite27 wrote: »

I had a think about this post over the past few days, trying to weigh up whether to go for Baines or not.

In my opinion, to make this a fair comparison, you have to take away the CS points to weigh it up (as you can get the same CS points by selecting Jags at 5.5m. When you do that, Baines' points are 117, 133, and 98 (average of 116). That's what you're getting for the extra 1.6m. That puts him in the category of more mid-priced mids (Nolan, Carzola from last season).

So by my logic (which people are free to disagree with, they're getting a mid-priced mid (116pts) for 7.1m, which is about right. For a mid who'll score 116 this season you'll probably pay more than 7.1, but less than 8 anyway. IMO, yes, he's value, but he doesn't equate to a premium midfielder

The problem with any of these debates is that they don't reflect what is required to do well in the game.
The game is about trying to spot a player coming into form before anyone else, then spotting when they are about to go out of form as early as possible. Moving that player out then getting in a decent replacement. This could be based on blind luck, analysis of up coming fixtures etc.....
Of course there are a few "key players" that you need to keep in the team but outside of that is in my opinion where the overall points are won and lost.

You only need to see how this plays out if you were to look at the top 11 highest points scoring players in the FPL and add up their points, then realise that if you had just those players for the season, you'd be a long way off the top score. Why - because spotting those "form" players and getting rid of those who are not performing is the differential.

km79 wrote: »

mourinho just said he does not expect Costa to be fit for Sunday.......

Mourinho better be playing mind games cos I already made my transfers. :pac::o