Gameweek 9 Transfers.

IsMiseMyself

km79 wrote: »

I'm just going to have to suck up the price rises I think.
Too many permutations with Costa and adm both doubts !
aguero is coming in though......falcao may get a stay of execution yet!

I've made my bed now so... If the worst happens and they're both injured, Boyd and Moore/Duff will be making unlikely showings. I wouldn't mind benching one of ADM or Costa, anyway, as I'm pretty confident in my team for GW9, and they're both worth keeping.

HOPEFULLY Mourinho's playing mind games. It wouldn't be the first time!

km79

km79 wrote: »

mourinho just said he does not expect Costa to be fit for Sunday.......

Sound, I'm gonna captain him against Utds leaky defence so. He'll either play and score a brace, or won't play and Aguero will come in as VC. Either way, he'll be a massive differential or i'll have to play my first sub and Aguero becomes captain, same as everyone else

km79

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Sound, I'm gonna captain him against Utds leaky defence so. He'll either play and score a brace, or won't play and Aguero will come in as VC. Either way, he'll be a massive differential or i'll have to play my first sub and Aguero becomes captain, same as everyone else

yeah feck it I'm doing my transfers too and logging out for the week!

FHFC

kippy wrote: »

The problem with any of these debates is that they don't reflect what is required to do well in the game.
The game is about trying to spot a player coming into form before anyone else, then spotting when they are about to go out of form as early as possible. Moving that player out then getting in a decent replacement. This could be based on blind luck, analysis of up coming fixtures etc.....
Of course there are a few "key players" that you need to keep in the team but outside of that is in my opinion where the overall points are won and lost.

You only need to see how this plays out if you were to look at the top 11 highest points scoring players in the FPL and add up their points, then realise that if you had just those players for the season, you'd be a long way off the top score. Why - because spotting those "form" players and getting rid of those who are not performing is the differential.

Was just thinking this, as we often quote how many points this or that player will get in the season. Kippy is spot on IMO, Fabregas and Hazard are a good example. I've seen it said that they'll both get around 200 points, but the thing that will set you apart is if you can manage to pick the right times to swap them over so that if you shared one spot between them over a season you'd end up with 250.

Regarding the Baines debate, the points made still stand as they are based on average scoring and whether you prefer to have 3 premium mids or 2 and Baines. As someone said, he's good when you have a high team value and can fit him as well as the three premium mids. I had him last year after Xmas for a while in those circumstances.

Overall I think re Baines, that even if you assumes either of my 14m combinations earlier would chore around the same, the Baines plus 7m mid option leaves you fishing in a smaller pond that the other option. I.e. You have less flexibility to switch around midfielders to get the from players in the 9m bracket. Don't thin anyone is gonna keep Nolan for a whole season!

Ok, I'm over thinking it now. Need to get some sleep!

jamesbondings

I am thinking of changing dier and koshielny to jagielka and chambers, only thing is i would then have 3 everton players (baines, naismith and jagielka) and already have 3 chelsea players (ivanovic,costa and fab) im happy with the rest of my team though,

if costa and di maria are both out next weekend will it swap in our subs automatically?

I will have schneiderlin and erikson ready to go either way but would be great if it was to do it on its own?

iroced

kippy wrote: »

The game is about trying to spot a player coming into form before anyone else, then spotting when they are about to go out of form as early as possible. Moving that player out then getting in a decent replacement. This could be based on blind luck, analysis of up coming fixtures etc.....
Of course there are a few "key players" that you need to keep in the team but outside of that is in my opinion where the overall points are won and lost.

I don't fully agree with this. To me the key thing in that game is to be able to adapt quickly.
Trying to be too "clever" in guessing (educated or not) the in form and out of form players trends before everyone else sounds too risky and could backfire big time.

kippy wrote: »

You only need to see how this plays out if you were to look at the top 11 highest points scoring players in the FPL and add up their points, then realise that if you had just those players for the season, you'd be a long way off the top score. Why - because spotting those "form" players and getting rid of those who are not performing is the differential.

I'd tend to agree with you on that but did you verify it? I mean if you include the doubled captain points (e.g. double Suarez pts last year) are you sure the difference is that big?

Mr.Prodston

Far too much chatter involving Nolan in here for my liking :eek:

iroced

Iused2likebusts wrote: »

I really want hazard and sanchez in my team for gw 10 home to qpr and burnley respectively. Now to figure out a way of doing it.

Actually with Costa and Rémy out this week-end (let's assume Mourinho is being sincere :rolleyes::pac:), wouldn't that benefit Hazard?

kippy

iroced wrote: »

I don't fully agree with this. To me the key thing in that game is to be able to adapt quickly.
Trying to be too "clever" in guessing (educated or not) the in form and out of form players trends before everyone else sounds too risky and could backfire big time.




I'd tend to agree with you on that but did you verify it? I mean if you include the doubled captain points (e.g. double Suarez pts last year) are you sure the difference is that big?

Well, being able to adapt faster than the next guy - ie, not being afraid to make that transfer if you think its going to have a net positive effect on your points.
The game is all about being "clever" - although as you say, it's a fine balance that needs to be struck.

Yes. I've verified it each and every season. Even with double points for the highest scorer and disregarding the fact that you couldnt pick every single one of those top 11 players (to many players per position, too many players from same team etc)

Mr.Prodston

Iused2likebusts wrote: »

I really want hazard and sanchez in my team for gw 10 home to qpr and burnley respectively. Now to figure out a way of doing it.
I was all on for baines but the way Im looking at it is baines moore or azpil kaboul. Azpil Kaboul for me.

It seems I'm destined to wildcard in the near future so if I used it next week then those 2 could be some seriously spicy meatballs

Of course those tend to be the weeks where it all goes horribly wrong!

iroced

Mr.Prodston wrote: »

It seems I'm destined to wildcard in the near future so if I used it next week then those 2 could be some seriously spicy meatballs

I'd not want to appear like the anti WC angel/devil but can't you get those 2 with just a 4 pts hit? Or over 2 weeks? If ADM is out (which I hope he's not) that could help your choice .

Chesty08

FHFC wrote: »

Was just thinking this, as we often quote how many points this or that player will get in the season. Kippy is spot on IMO, Fabregas and Hazard are a good example. I've seen it said that they'll both get around 200 points, but the thing that will set you apart is if you can manage to pick the right times to swap them over so that if you shared one spot between them over a season you'd end up with 250.

Regarding the Baines debate, the points made still stand as they are based on average scoring and whether you prefer to have 3 premium mids or 2 and Baines. As someone said, he's good when you have a high team value and can fit him as well as the three premium mids. I had him last year after Xmas for a while in those circumstances.

Overall I think re Baines, that even if you assumes either of my 14m combinations earlier would chore around the same, the Baines plus 7m mid option leaves you fishing in a smaller pond that the other option. I.e. You have less flexibility to switch around midfielders to get the from players in the 9m bracket. Don't thin anyone is gonna keep Nolan for a whole season!

Ok, I'm over thinking it now. Need to get some sleep!

I have Baines in my team with the template midfield, Costa, Aguero & Welbeck .. so I think it's all nonsense having this 7m defender + 7m midfielder or 9m midfielder + 5m midfielder

So I have the 2 premium attackers and 3 premium midfielders .. Siggy & Welbeck ain't bad for non premium players either!

It's all about getting in who you think is on form & will get you the most points.

Baines is a FF machine! And at present is in top form. Had he not missed that pen v Utd he would of been on for 4 double digit scores in a row!

Ziegler1988

Costa out looking likely. Even if he's fit for QPR, who says he plays

PARlance

Ziegler1988 wrote: »

Costa out looking likely. Even if he's fit for QPR, who says he plays

I honestly don't know why people aren't shipping him out... He's a goner

Nib

Chesty08 wrote: »

I have Baines in my team with the template midfield, Costa, Aguero & Welbeck .. so I think it's all nonsense having this 7m defender + 7m midfielder or 9m midfielder + 5m midfielder

Couldn't agree more. I've the top four scoring mids and Costa, Kun and Welbeck. It's only GW9, so to say your team value dictates whether or not you can have Baines with the template midfield and front 3 is nonsense.

Granted, I did take a -4 for it.

Guzan
Baines Bertrand Wisdom
Fabregas Siggy Di Maria Tadic
Costa Aguero Welbeck

Duff PvA Quinn

extra gravy

Ziegler1988 wrote: »

Costa out looking likely. Even if he's fit for QPR, who says he plays

Would cost me 0.3 to buy him back him if I sold him for Pelle. Might not be worth it for the sake of only one game though.

Ziegler1988

extra gravy wrote: »

Would cost me 0.3 to buy him back him if I sold him for Pelle. Might not be worth it for the sake of only one game though.

I can sell for 10.8m. He'll be 10.9m by Sunday morning and if he doesn't play against ManU I could probably buy him back for less. That's not even counting Pelle price rises

Ziegler1988

PARlance wrote: »

I honestly don't know why people aren't shipping him out... He's a goner

Looking forward to being on the Baines bus tomorrow :cool:

iroced

Chesty08 wrote: »

I have Baines in my team with the template midfield, Costa, Aguero & Welbeck .. so I think it's all nonsense having this 7m defender + 7m midfielder or 9m midfielder + 5m midfielder

So I have the 2 premium attackers and 3 premium midfielders .. Siggy & Welbeck ain't bad for non premium players either!

Nib wrote: »

Couldn't agree more. I've the top four scoring mids and Costa, Kun and Welbeck. It's only GW9, so to say your team value dictates whether or not you can have Baines with the template midfield and front 3 is nonsense.

It's not nonsense it's pure maths. 7+7=5+9. That was the original point. e.g. currently Baines+Eriksen=Kaboul+Hazard. I'm not sure option 1 is a no brainer. That's all.

And it neither means Baines is a bad idea nor he's impossible to get in without depleting your team.

It's also about what your team's like at the moment. I'm not sure he's a possible option with template midfield and template forwards (Aguero-Costa-Pellè).

manual_man

All these templates :pac: :pac: :pac: :pac: :pac: :pac: :pac:

Neoulous

extra gravy wrote: »

Would cost me 0.3 to buy him back him if I sold him for Pelle. Might not be worth it for the sake of only one game though.

Ziegler1988 wrote: »

I can sell for 10.8m. He'll be 10.9m by Sunday morning and if he doesn't play against ManU I could probably buy him back for less. That's not even counting Pelle price rises

I think I'm gonna pull the trigger tonight. Hopefully Mourinho's not trolling.

I need Aguero anyway and he should rise tonight. I swallowed too many price rises for him. In the worst case I can always activate my WC to readjust my team.

Western Pomise

Just got rid of Ulloa for Berahaino who is going to go on a run methinks.

Lemlin

Chesty08 wrote: »

I have Baines in my team with the template midfield, Costa, Aguero & Welbeck .. so I think it's all nonsense having this 7m defender + 7m midfielder or 9m midfielder + 5m midfielder

So I have the 2 premium attackers and 3 premium midfielders .. Siggy & Welbeck ain't bad for non premium players either!

It's all about getting in who you think is on form & will get you the most points.

Baines is a FF machine! And at present is in top form. Had he not missed that pen v Utd he would of been on for 4 double digit scores in a row!

Nib wrote: »

Couldn't agree more. I've the top four scoring mids and Costa, Kun and Welbeck. It's only GW9, so to say your team value dictates whether or not you can have Baines with the template midfield and front 3 is nonsense.

Granted, I did take a -4 for it.

Guzan
Baines Bertrand Wisdom
Fabregas Siggy Di Maria Tadic
Costa Aguero Welbeck

Duff PvA Quinn

For me the template front 3 is Pelle Costa Aguero, not Wellbeck. I've looked at my team and its impossible to have the template midfield and have Pelle. Now I'm monitoring Wellbeck but Pelle outscored him by 8 at the weekend (and has been outscoring him previously). He also has another home game this weekend. No way would I transfer him out at the minute.

As others have said, my option is:

Baines + Wellbeck vs Kaboul + Pelle.

I'm going to go with Kaboul + Pelle for now. I don't think there'll be much difference and I only need one transfer for it.

wonski

Considering shipping Costa out (temporarily) for Welbeck.

If he doesn't play - great.
If he does against Utd i will have to stay away from the news.

Tomorrow evening would be perfect to sell him before his price goes down again and - most importantly - after Arsenal's CL game.

Is it too risky?

OneColdHand

Costa to Drogba anyone?*





*I'm not actually considering this move...

Rikand

If costa was actually confirmed out for definite, it might not be the worst move in the world. Drogba still got it imo

Antibac

Rikand wrote: »

If costa was actually confirmed out for definite, it might not be the worst move in the world. Drogba still got it imo

Is Wellbeck likely to rise after tonight's game? Need to ship him out to improve the team overall but don't want to loose out on a potential rise. Or be stuck with a drop!

Rikand

Antibac wrote: »

Is Wellbeck likely to rise after tonight's game? Need to ship him out to improve the team overall but don't want to loose out on a potential rise. Or be stuck with a drop!

well, nowhere near a rise atm on either totalfpl or fiso, but sure we'll see if he scores 3 or 4 tonight and it makes any difference

G1032

The team that's 7th in the world seems to have it all!!

Krul, Gilks

Alderweireld, Baines, Duff, Dummett, Wisdom

Fab, Sterling, ADM, Siggy, Gibson

Aguero, Coata, Welbeck

Out of top 15 teams in the world:

11 have Baines
12 have ADM
5 have Fabregas
8 have Sterling

Only 3 of the worlds top 10 teams have Sterling.

I know that the overall placings don't mean much yet and I wouldn't pay huge attention to their teams at this early stage but still.....!!

I'd much rather get a look at the FFS HoF teams and see how many of the top guys have Baines and what their teams look like. Won't be able to check that out until this evening so if someone has the time/access could they do this??!!:)

NabyLadistheman

I have the same template forward line. Unfortunately even if I downgrade De Gea I still cannot afford Baines without chopping either ADM or Sterling. Would love if ADM was out for a while... make that decision easier... or Costa even... could get Peile in!