Convicts who've served their time.

bop1977 · 19-10-2014 09:51AM

Look at lee Hughes and Luke McCormick both of these fellas killed people by drink driving yet both of them played football on their release from prison.

Football teams only care about getting results and won't let a thing like having a convicted rapist in the team get in the way.

Buona Fortuna · 19-10-2014 09:53AM

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

So from your reply i will take it that there is no way that you would hire Larry Murphy, even though he has served his sentence

But you said

The double standards on here never cease to amaze me

The fact that I would not sit down for a cup of tea with this guy does not detract from the point.

If society deems the punishment for a crime is a jail term and then a life on the dile because no one will employ you, so be it - but it doesn't.

You seem to saying that do a crime, do a sentence and when you get out the rest of us can take a bit too.

The Oak Tree · 19-10-2014 09:55AM

Lucy and Harry wrote: »

The evidence said he did it.Convicted beyond a shadow of a doubt.With the legal team he had the best money can buy he would have got reasonable doubt and got away with it if he had a case.Also he cheated on his bird too.So a sneaky chap who has not even said sorry for that.Footballers think they can do what they want.They kick a ball and think they are gods.He is hurting his victim by denying it.

How do you know he didn't apologise to his girlfriend for cheating?

Hitchens · 19-10-2014 10:01AM

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2798410/patrick-collins-ched-evans-release-prison-football-stuck-moral-rut-victim.html

just about sums up the whole thing for me

ctrl-alt-delete · 19-10-2014 10:15AM

He will want to resume his career as a professional footballer, and he believes he is innocent. I have no doubt he will find someone from some club who will take him on.

As mentioned already Lee Hughes had no problem finding a club and he was responsible for death.

Sheff Utd will be under pressure from both sides. They have shelled out serious money on him and by all accounts continued to pay him for a period of his sentence.

He has walked free after half of the sentence so has he really even served his time?

Kenny Logins · 19-10-2014 10:18AM

He could get a job with Jamie Oliver perhaps?

Guy:Incognito · 19-10-2014 10:25AM

ctrl-alt-delete wrote: »

He has walked free after half of the sentence so has he really even served his time?

He wasn't released under some special footballer clause. He was eligible for release like many others. The merits or otherwise of those rules are irrelevant to this specific case and if people want it changed they should try do that.

ctrl-alt-delete · 19-10-2014 10:29AM

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

He wasn't released under some special footballer clause. He was eligible for release like many others. The merits or otherwise of those rules are irrelevant to this specific case and if people want it changed they should try do that.

Oh I know he has received no special treatment, just a case where you are denied appeal and still only serve half the time baffles me but that is a whole different discussion as you say.

As it is he is free to find employment, and I have no doubt he will which makes what Sheff Utd will do interesting.

Fr_Dougal · 19-10-2014 10:56AM

Hitchens wrote: »

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2798410/patrick-collins-ched-evans-release-prison-football-stuck-moral-rut-victim.html

just about sums up the whole thing for me

You're probably better off using this:

https://www.crimeline.info/case/r-v-ched-evans-chedwyn-evans

Rough Sleeper · 19-10-2014 10:57AM

tigger123 wrote: »

Last I heard fans at Sheffield Utd had signed a petition that had reached 150,000 signatures asking that he not be signed. It tells you were the fans are at with it.

Does it? I think the petition to which you're referring is an open one on change.org, started by Jean Hatchet, whose twitter account describes her as a "Radical Feminist. Sister not Cister. Lesbian. Swearer. In charge of uniforms and armour for the WDL. Mansplainers go to @SadMansplainer."

You don't even have to know who Sheffield Utd. are to sign it, never mind be a fan.

markfinn · 19-10-2014 11:02AM

Sentence : 5 years, given in 2012. He's out now. He hasn't served his time.

Serving half of a ridiculously lenient sentence is not "doing your time".

galwaylad14 · 19-10-2014 11:07AM

Ched Evans is a free man. He's perfectly entitled to pursue any career that he wants (well maybe there are certain careers that convicted sex offenders can't do but a footballer isn't one of them)

He served his time and if a company want to hire him ( which they do) and he wants to work for this company, which it seems like he does then he's perfectly entitled to do it.

Otherwise if we say he can't do this job then are we not in a way giving him a life sentence?

Also people saying he should apologise to the victim are being obtuse. He says he didn't do it. Yes he was convicted and we can legally call him a rapist etc but in his own mind he's an innocent man, so by apologising it would be him admitting he has done something wrong.

Would any of you apologise to someone who falsely accused you of something, cost you your dream job, caused you to serve jail sentence and forever sullied your name in the eye of the public? I'm not saying she made it up but I'm saying this is how Ched Evans views it so of course he won't apologise as if he did he would be admitting that he did something wrong.

I was listening to discussion on sky about this yesterday and some woman was saying that for his own sake he shouldn't return to the public eye by going back playing football. This is also a very stupid opinion. I don't know anything about the man but I presume he doesn't have a university education or anything. He maybe has 7 years of pro football left where he can earn more in a probably a month than he would in a year in virtually any other job he would be able to get. He'd be very irrational not to try get back playing football as quickly as possible.

This post probably reads as though I'm defending him. I'm not, I think he probably did it to be honest, but I'm just saying he's now a free man and thus entitled to restart his career, he's not going to apologise to someone he believes wrongly ruined his life, and he's not going to choose a career with a small fraction of the earning power of a footballer.

Manach · 19-10-2014 11:09AM

Ex-Convicts have served their punishment. There is a traditional viewpoint that once service has been complement for their sins, then they are forgiven and can again re-enter the community with a fresh slate. Unfortunately in this never to be forgotten age of data, whatever mistakes that had been made are now forever tagged to a person.

Laois6556 · 19-10-2014 11:10AM

It's sick that he can not only go back to his high profile, high paying job but people actually support it.

BrokenHero · 19-10-2014 11:21AM

beks101 wrote: »

I think the fact that they'd consider taking him back shows how this kind of a crime is widely seen.

It was 'not a violent rape' causing 'no bodily harm', so it was not *really* rape, right? It it's not *really* rape unless it's a stranger in a dark alley holding a knife to a woman's throat and violently assaulting her and beating her forty shades of blue.

I think everything about this case is dismal and disturbing and this doesn't surprise me in the slightest.

Total nonsense.

Society has no time for rapists. They are seen in a poorer light than murderers.

Sure, date rape is not looked on as badly as a woman being raped with a knife to her throat and that has been beaten "forty shades of blue" but so it shouldn't be.

Many crimes are looked on as less severe when they don't have an element of such extreme violence attached, rape is not unique in that regard.

In any case, I don't think for one second that Ched raped this girl. The "evidence" was a joke and before someone says 'well, he was found guilty': so was Barry George and not since that case had I got such a sense that a miscarriage of justice was taking place.

Incidentally, the man who helped free Barry George, Don Hale, also believes that Ched is innocent:

“When I studied the paperwork, I found it quite staggering that several key points were not presented in court.

“The victim said she had no memory at all of the previous night and claimed her drinks had been spiked. I don’t understand how the claim escalated from a potential drink spike to a rape charge – it should never have even got to court."

Cienciano · 19-10-2014 11:23AM

bop1977 wrote: »

Look at lee Hughes and Luke McCormick both of these fellas killed people by drink driving yet both of them played football on their release from prison.

Football teams only care about getting results and won't let a thing like having a convicted rapist in the team get in the way.

Football is a business. If you think other companies wouldn't hire people with a past if they thought it would make the money, your wrong

GarIT · 19-10-2014 11:26AM

There are a lot of people equating this with a violent attack of rape. In my opinion there is a massive difference between when somebody is forced to do something sexual they don't want and when somebody hasn't explicitly consented that they wanted to do it but hasn't objected either.

As far as I'm concerned no matter what the laws say if you haven't been told no (before the event) it's not rape.

Guy:Incognito · 19-10-2014 11:28AM

Laois6556 wrote: »

It's sick that he can not only go back to his high profile, high paying job but people actually support it.

For the 3rd or 4th time now, what should he do instead, collect £50 a week on the dole till he dies?

B0jangles · 19-10-2014 11:32AM

GarIT wrote: »

There are a lot of people equating this with a violent attack of rape. In my opinion there is a massive difference between when somebody is forced to do something sexual they don't want and when somebody hasn't explicitly consented that they wanted to do it but hasn't objected either.

As far as I'm concerned no matter what the laws say if you haven't been told no it's not rape.

Wow.

GarIT · 19-10-2014 11:33AM

B0jangles wrote: »

Wow.

What?

Laois6556 · 19-10-2014 11:36AM

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

For the 3rd or 4th time now, what should he do instead, collect £50 a week on the dole till he dies?

He can work picking up rubbish on the streets, on his own. Will he have a problem with that? Well he shouldn't have raped that girl then.

B0jangles · 19-10-2014 11:37AM

GarIT wrote: »

What?

I think your attitude "As far as I'm concerned no matter what the laws say if you haven't been told no it's not rape." to be horrifying to say the least.

What about someone who is unconscious or practically so?
What about someone who is too frightened to say no?
What about someone who is so shocked at what is happening to them that they cannot get the words out?

All the onus is on the victim, none on the perpetrator; they can do whatever they like as long as the magic word "NO" has not been uttered, eh?

Laois6556 · 19-10-2014 11:37AM

GarIT wrote: »

What?

You have to be trolling.

Dempsey · 19-10-2014 11:38AM

Laois6556 wrote: »

He can work picking up rubbish on the streets, on his own. Will he have a problem with that? Well he shouldn't have raped that girl then.

Seems you have a problem with people using their skillset after a conviction.

Dozen Wicked Words · 19-10-2014 11:41AM

Dempsey wrote: »

Seems you have a problem with people using their skillset after a conviction.

People in the public eye who have been convicted or even accused of certain crimes will struggle to get work in their trade of choice. Wont be seeing any of the yewtree guilty anytime soon, Gary glitter struggling to get work as musician I'd imagine, as will Ian watkins. Haven't seen much of Michael Barrymore and he wasn't even convicted.

Guy:Incognito · 19-10-2014 11:42AM

Laois6556 wrote: »

He can work picking up rubbish on the streets, on his own. Will he have a problem with that? Well he shouldn't have raped that girl then.

So he can work, but only in a job you say he can?

Laois6556 · 19-10-2014 11:43AM

Dempsey wrote: »

Seems you have a problem with people using their skillset after a conviction.

No, I have a problem with rapists going back to a high profile job only a few years after they committed their assault.

Laois6556 · 19-10-2014 11:46AM

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

So he can work, but only in a job you say he can?

Well first of all, the punishment was far too lenient so if it was up to me this wouldn't be up for discussion right now. Secondly, yes he should be doing a cummunity service job. Why are you defending a rapist?

_Brian · 19-10-2014 11:47AM

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

I see the rags are making a big deal out of Rape convict Ched Evans (26) being released from prison and trying to repursue his career as a pro footballer, there's a bunch of social media groups out there putting pressure on Sheffield United not to take him back.

There used to be a saying that you're square with the house once you do your time, obviously the circumstances of the crime influences people's opinion but I believe that he should allowed to continue his career.

But he's still a rapist.
Being locked up for X ammount of time doesn't exponge his past.

GarIT · 19-10-2014 11:48AM

B0jangles wrote: »

I think your attitude "As far as I'm concerned no matter what the laws say if you haven't been told no it's not rape." to be horrifying to say the least.

What about someone who is unconscious or practically so?
What about someone who is too frightened to say no?
What about someone who is so shocked at what is happening to them that they cannot get the words out?

All the onus is on the victim, none on the perpetrator; they can do whatever they like as long as the magic word "NO" has not been uttered, eh?

If someone is unconscious that's a different story. If someone is too frightened to say anything how would the other person know they are doing anything wrong, if they were threatened or anything that is also a different story.

It doesn't have to be the word no but is somebody shows no sign of objecting to what you are doing, they cant later claim that they didn't want it. Unless they were in a state where they couldn't consent. It is not possible to get so drunk you cannot give consent.

From the judge in the case

The second matter was a direction to the jury that if they found (contrary to the evidence given by the expert called for the applicant) that the complainant had no memory of events in the bedroom, that did not mean that she did not consent.

The only witnesses say she consented, and the porter in the hotel said she had sounded into it, I don't see a problem with what happened.

Convicts who've served their time.

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