Convicts who've served their time.

DEFTLEFTHAND · 19-10-2014 08:13AM #1

I see the rags are making a big deal out of Rape convict Ched Evans (26) being released from prison and trying to repursue his career as a pro footballer, there's a bunch of social media groups out there putting pressure on Sheffield United not to take him back.

There used to be a saying that you're square with the house once you do your time, obviously the circumstances of the crime influences people's opinion but I believe that he should allowed to continue his career.

Paulownia · 19-10-2014 08:18AM

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

I see the rags are making a big deal out of Rape convict Ched Evans (26) being released from prison and trying to repursue his career as a pro footballer, there's a bunch of social media groups out there putting pressure on Sheffield United not to take him back.
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There used to be a saying that you're square with the house once you do your time, obviously the circumstances of the crime influences people's opinion but I believe that he should allowed to continue his career.

I know nothing of the circumstances here but I would question whether it might not be inappropriate that he should be facilitated to resume a high profile career so unquestionly

Timberrrrrrrr · 19-10-2014 08:24AM

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

I see the rags are making a big deal out of Rape convict Ched Evans (26) being released from prison and trying to repursue his career as a pro footballer, there's a bunch of social media groups out there putting pressure on Sheffield United not to take him back.

There used to be a saying that you're square with the house once you do your time, obviously the circumstances of the crime influences people's opinion but I believe that he should allowed to continue his career.

Is a convicted rapist a good roll model for kids (yeah yea won't someone think of the kiddies

) but seriously, he goes back playing, i could honestly say if i was a Sheffield fan i wouldn't go to see him play and if my team were playing Sheffield away i wouldn't travel to that ground.

Buona Fortuna · 19-10-2014 08:32AM

Paulownia wrote: »

I know nothing of the circumstances here but I would question whether it might not be inappropriate that he should be facilitated to resume a high profile career so unquestionly

Like you I'm similarly ill-infomed - never stopped me commenting on an AH thread though

I think if he's not allowed to continue his career, society has punished him twice.

Rash generalisation but footballers usually are not the sharpest pencils in the box. It's not like he can go back to the medical career. If he'd been a banker, no one would have batted an eyelid.

Dozen Wicked Words · 19-10-2014 08:36AM

A convicted rapist would struggle to get back in to many careers. Unsurprisingly employers might not look on it as a positive to have a sex offender working for them. I think there is a difference between this type of crime and others. I think a convicted sex offender banker would struggle to get a job also.

Having seen football's moral compass shift by how good a player you are, he'll still get a good career out of football somewhere.

tigger123 · 19-10-2014 08:42AM

Says a lot about Sheffield Utd and the people who are running it if they do take him back. He's shown no remorse for what he did either. Real classy bunch of people.

Timberrrrrrrr · 19-10-2014 08:43AM

Buona Fortuna wrote: »

Like you I'm similarly ill-infomed - never stopped me commenting on an AH thread though

I think if he's not allowed to continue his career, society has punished him twice.

Rash generalisation but footballers usually are not the sharpest pencils in the box. It's not like he can go back to the medical career. If he'd been a banker, no one would have batted an eyelid.

Would you hire Larry Murphy?

Buona Fortuna · 19-10-2014 08:51AM

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Would you hire Larry Murphy?

I've no great need for a carpenter at the moment.

However these two cases are at different ends of an unpleasant spectrum. Whether I would or would not doesn't take away from the point that I made.

Paulownia · 19-10-2014 08:58AM

Buona Fortuna wrote: »

I've no great need for a carpenter at the moment.

However these two cases are at different ends of an unpleasant spectrum. Whether I would or would not doesn't take away from the point that I made.[/
The fact that someone has served a prison sentence does not mean that we, Joe Public, are not entitled to have an opinion. I imagine that, leaving the tabloid press aside, the supporters of the club might find his return hard to stomach, even if he turned out to be a star

Timberrrrrrrr · 19-10-2014 08:58AM

Buona Fortuna wrote: »

I've no great need for a carpenter at the moment.

However these two cases are at different ends of an unpleasant spectrum. Whether I would or would not doesn't take away from the point that I made.

That didn't answer the question

Would you hire Larry Murphy?

tigger123 · 19-10-2014 09:00AM

Buona Fortuna wrote: »

Like you I'm similarly ill-infomed - never stopped me commenting on an AH thread though

I think if he's not allowed to continue his career, society has punished him twice.

Rash generalisation but footballers usually are not the sharpest pencils in the box. It's not like he can go back to the medical career. If he'd been a banker, no one would have batted an eyelid.

He probably should have given that more consideration before he raped someone.

mikemac1 · 19-10-2014 09:00AM

tigger123 wrote: »

He's shown no remorse for what he did either.

Of course not, he has always claimed he is innocent. He is hiring a private detective to try to clear his name

Lucy and Harry · 19-10-2014 09:01AM

He has never said sorry or admitted he did anything wrong yet was found guilty in a court of law.I think he should not play football for any team but some teams have no morals and will take him back.A private detective will not clear his name if his high costing legal team could not do it nobody can.

Guy:Incognito · 19-10-2014 09:06AM

Lucy and Harry wrote: »

He has never said sorry or admitted he did anything wrong .

Would you if you didn't do it?

As for not playing football.Why shouldn't he? He has a fairly unique set of skills that's in demand. Should he go work in a shop for minimum wage instead or do you not want him having a job at all? Just vegetate on the dole for the next 60 years?

Lucy and Harry · 19-10-2014 09:08AM

The evidence said he did it.Convicted beyond a shadow of a doubt.With the legal team he had the best money can buy he would have got reasonable doubt and got away with it if he had a case.Also he cheated on his bird too.So a sneaky chap who has not even said sorry for that.Footballers think they can do what they want.They kick a ball and think they are gods.He is hurting his victim by denying it.

Guy:Incognito · 19-10-2014 09:11AM

Lucy and Harry wrote: »

the evidence said he did it.

Did it? As far as I remember it was 2 drunk people (there were others involved too) one says they had consensual sex, the other says they didn't)

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Lucy and Harry wrote: »

Also he cheated on his bird too.So a sneaky chap who has not even said sorry for that..

Who should he apologise to for that, you?why?

Again, the question stands, if you didn't do it(and he maintains he didn't), would you apologise? (your apologising to someone whos falsely accused you of rape remember)

Paulownia · 19-10-2014 09:12AM

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Would you if you didn't do it?

If he clears his name it will be a different conversation but until he does he is a convicted rapist. The courts can get it wrong and he is entitled to take his stance but he must prove it in court as well.

Guy:Incognito · 19-10-2014 09:13AM

Paulownia wrote: »

If he clears his name it will be a different conversation but until he does he is a convicted rapist. The courts can get it wrong and he is entitled to take his stance but he must prove it in court as well.

That's not what was said. Its the "he hasn't even apologised" part we're discussing. Why would he apologise for something he didn't do and is trying to clear his name on?

sydthebeat · 19-10-2014 09:17AM

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

That's not what was said. Its the "he hasn't even apologised" part we're discussing. Why would he apologise for something he didn't do and is trying to clear his name on?

Wasnt he found guilty?

Where is the evidence that has convinced you that he didn't do it?

beks101 · 19-10-2014 09:18AM

I think the fact that they'd consider taking him back shows how this kind of a crime is widely seen.

It was 'not a violent rape' causing 'no bodily harm', so it was not *really* rape, right? It it's not *really* rape unless it's a stranger in a dark alley holding a knife to a woman's throat and violently assaulting her and beating her forty shades of blue.

I think everything about this case is dismal and disturbing and this doesn't surprise me in the slightest.

Dempsey · 19-10-2014 09:18AM

I see no reason why he shouldnt continue his career. Whether he challenges his conviction and its overturned or not, he has served his punishment for that conviction. People are defending the system for the conviction he received but not the punishment. Seems to be a trial by media/mob going on and people want him punished twice. The irony of defending the system....

tigger123 · 19-10-2014 09:19AM

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

That's not what was said. Its the "he hasn't even apologised" part we're discussing. Why would he apologise for something he didn't do and is trying to clear his name on?

Do you think Sheffield Utd are right to take him back?

Guy:Incognito · 19-10-2014 09:21AM

sydthebeat wrote: »

Wasnt he found guilty?

Where is the evidence that has convinced you that he didn't do it?

If you were convicted of something you said you didn't do would you apologise for it?

I'd imagine apologising would go against your case of trying to clear your name too.

sydthebeat · 19-10-2014 09:23AM

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

If you were convicted of something you said you didn't do would you apologise for it?

I'd imagine apologising would go against your case of trying to clear your name too.

You Didn't answer either question?

I don't care if he apologies or not, you've said he didn't do it. ... I just want to know what evidence you've seen to make that statement.

Guy:Incognito · 19-10-2014 09:24AM

tigger123 wrote: »

Do you think Sheffield Utd are right to take him back?

If they want the player then yes. He's been to jail and he's out. Do you think he should sit on the dole till he dies instead of working ad contributing to the economy? Would that really be a better solution?

Sunnyisland · 19-10-2014 09:26AM

A lot of people don't seem to have a problem with Mike Tyson

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Tyson#Rape_conviction.2C_prison.2C_and_conversion

imo if persons have served there time and are deemed to be no threat to society(been kept under supervision ) they should be allowed to integrate back into society, we must never forget what they done but we can't live in there past.

Timberrrrrrrr · 19-10-2014 09:31AM

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

If they want the player then yes. He's been to jail and he's out. Do you think he should sit on the dole till he dies instead of working ad contributing to the economy? Would that really be a better solution?

Same question to you

You own a company, you need a tradesman, the most qualified for the job is Larry Murphy. Would you hire him?

tigger123 · 19-10-2014 09:31AM

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

If they want the player then yes. He's been to jail and he's out. Do you think he should sit on the dole till he dies instead of working ad contributing to the economy? Would that really be a better solution?

What he does for the rest of his life is of no concern to Sheffield Utd.

They're taking a convicted rapist and turning him into a local hero. It boggles the mind.

Last I heard fans at Sheffield Utd had signed a petition that had reached 150,000 signatures asking that he not be signed. It tells you were the fans are at with it.

I'm a huge football fan, and this whole thing disgusts me.

What if he was a child molester and he'd served his time? Would you be ok with that?

Guy:Incognito · 19-10-2014 09:42AM

sydthebeat wrote: »

You Didn't answer either question?

I don't care if he apologies or not, you've said he didn't do it. ... I just want to know what evidence you've seen to make that statement.

The discussion is running from people saying he should apologise and we're talking about it from his point of view. He believes he's innocent, so why should he appologise

Buona Fortuna · 19-10-2014 09:45AM

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

That didn't answer the question

Dead right.

I'm not actually here to answer your questions.

I hope that doesn't come as any great surprise.

tigger123 wrote: »

He probably should have given that more consideration before he raped someone.

Agreed. From the little I know, I don't think there was a great deal of consideration of fore thought from anyone.

Timberrrrrrrr · 19-10-2014 09:49AM

Buona Fortuna wrote: »

Dead right.

I'm not actually here to answer your questions.

I hope that doesn't come as any great surprise.

Agreed. From the little I know, I don't think there was a great deal of consideration of fore thought from anyone.

So from your reply i will take it that there is no way that you would hire Larry Murphy, even though he has served his sentence

But you said

I think if he's not allowed to continue his career, society has punished him twice.

The double standards on here never cease to amaze me

Convicts who've served their time.

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