ADD-DUB-LAX

Tenger · 17-10-2014 08:31AM

Schedule has been released:

ET504 ADD 2300–0530 DUB 0630–0930 LAX

ET505 LAX 2330–1830 DUB 1930–0600 ADD

ProfessorPlum · 17-10-2014 08:47AM

I had heard a rumour that they wouldn't be using CBP in Dublin and that schedule confirms it. In fact with that turn around it's difficult to see them doing much more than fueling up. I guess they aren't expecting many pax getting on/off at DUB?

goingnowhere · 17-10-2014 09:15AM

Clearly no stands in T2 either that time of day and CBP don't open till later

mooseknunkle · 17-10-2014 09:26AM

Tenger wrote: »

Schedule has been released:

ET504 ADD 2300–0530 DUB 0630–0930 LAX

ET505 LAX 2330–1830 DUB 1930–0600 ADD

Have they got it up on their website yet im looking at flights for next July but Dublin isnt coming up

christy c · 17-10-2014 09:49AM

Tenger wrote: »

Schedule has been released:

ET504 ADD 2300–0530 DUB 0630–0930 LAX

ET505 LAX 2330–1830 DUB 1930–0600 ADD

Am I missing something or are they spending 13 hours on the ground in LA?

Growler!!! · 17-10-2014 10:06AM

christy c wrote: »

Am I missing something or are they spending 13 hours on the ground in LA?

I see 14 hours. Will it be the same crew on minimum rest? Another crew? Will have to dig out my FTL and have a gander:D

LXFlyer · 17-10-2014 10:38AM

christy c wrote: »

Am I missing something or are they spending 13 hours on the ground in LA?

That sort of long aircraft layover is not that unusual on long haul sectors.

BA for example have 12 hour layovers in Johannesburg and Sao Paolo.

christy c · 17-10-2014 10:44AM

lxflyer wrote: »

That sort of long aircraft layover is not that unusual on long haul sectors.

BA for example have 12 hour layovers in Johannesburg and Sao Paolo.

Why would that be? I would he thought they'd try to get back as fast as possible and do any maintenance/checks in their home base

LXFlyer · 17-10-2014 10:56AM

christy c wrote: »

Why would that be? I would he thought they'd try to get back as fast as possible and do any maintenance/checks in their home base

Well it depends on when is the optimum time for flights - when do people want to fly?

BA flights in either direction to/from South Africa are traditionally overnight. That means a long layover. Same with many flights to/from South America.

Overnight flights facilitates business travellers.

Dublinflyer · 17-10-2014 11:34AM

ProfessorPlum wrote: »

I had heard a rumour that they wouldn't be using CBP in Dublin and that schedule confirms it. In fact with that turn around it's difficult to see them doing much more than fueling up. I guess they aren't expecting many pax getting on/off at DUB?

I have heard that they will be operating out of T1. I have to admit that surprised me but as we all know T2 check in is chock full at that time of the morning.

ProfessorPlum · 17-10-2014 11:45AM

I would have thought there was plenty of spare check in capacity on the non aer lingus side? I've never noticed it to be full (although I notice very little at that stage in the morning) Stand capacity is another issue though.

Dublinflyer · 17-10-2014 11:57AM

There are a lot of politics around the desk usage that hour of the morning and the airlines have regular pi$$ing competitions over them. It becomes interesting when there are a lot of delays. We put in 2 extra desks this year and they are looking for more for next year but I have no clue where they are going to squeeze them in. The EI end could be put to better use as a lot of the time they don't use all the desks but that is a whole other story, they are very protective of their real estate. It's all up in the air, sorry, at the moment so anything is possible. What will be really entertaining will be if another long haul route is announced and one of the conditions is the use of T2 in the morning. In the afternoon and evening that whole end is pretty much empty for a lot of the day. The whole stand situation is going to be a nightmare next year.

Fred Swanson · 17-10-2014 01:11PM

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Preset No.3 · 17-10-2014 01:39PM

Would anyone really want to arrive in LA after a 10 hour flight, conduct whatever business they had and fly back the same day?

Fred Swanson · 17-10-2014 01:42PM

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Tenger · 17-10-2014 06:29PM

christy c wrote: »

Am I missing something or are they spending 13 hours on the ground in LA?

Qantas used to do the same in LAX a while back. You would see 2 B747's sitting on remote stands all day long. Not every airline feels the need to sweta their assets 20 hours per day. Good flight timings ensure high loads which beats 20 hours in the air per day. (Could well be a different story these days, haven't been in LAX myself in about 2-3 years)

LXFlyer · 17-10-2014 07:09PM

Tenger wrote: »

Qantas used to do the same in LAX a while back. You would see 2 B747's sitting on remote stands all day long. Not every airline feels the need to sweta their assets 20 hours per day. Good flight timings ensure high loads which beats 20 hours in the air per day. (Could well be a different story these days, haven't been in LAX myself in about 2-3 years)

No need to go to those lengths. A simple look at the timetable on the QANTAS website answers that question, and it is very much still the case.

The flight from Sydney to LAX arrives at 09:45. It doesn't depart again until 22:05, while the flight from Melbourne arrives at 07:10 and leaves again at 22:50.

As I said above, long layovers are quite common with longhaul routes. Flights are timed to get the highest load factor.

Tenger · 18-10-2014 05:36PM

lxflyer wrote: »

No need to go to those lengths. A simple look at the timetable on the QANTAS website answers that question, and it is very much still the case...............

What is this 'internet' that you speak of?

LXFlyer · 18-10-2014 05:38PM

It makes analysing timetables that much easier but I do wish each airline would do a full timetable PDF.

18-10-2014 06:28PM

South African airways do the same at heathrow, they arrive very early morning 0600 or so and then leave late afternoon. It's not unusual.

Van.Bosch · 18-10-2014 10:38PM

Will these pax get off in an hour? Possibly not? If not will they count as part of DAA passenger numbers?

BuffyBot · 19-10-2014 12:06AM

Van.Bosch wrote: »

Will these pax get off in an hour? Possibly not? If not will they count as part of DAA passenger numbers?

I'd imagine passengers will have to disembark. Generally on such flights they so that the aircraft can be cleaned and recatered.

Jamie2k9 · 19-10-2014 12:34AM

BuffyBot wrote: »

I'd imagine passengers will have to disembark. Generally on such flights they so that the aircraft can be cleaned and recatered.

I don't see why they would, its only an hour on the ground at most they will be off the aircraft for 20-25 minutes. They should have enough food for the complete journey.

Kenny2012 · 19-10-2014 01:28AM

BuffyBot wrote: »

I'd imagine passengers will have to disembark. Generally on such flights they so that the aircraft can be cleaned and recatered.

I have been on several flights with similiar en-route stops where I have not been allowed to disembark. They ask you to stay in your seat whilst the cleaners move around the cabin. Last one I was on was Beijing- Dubai where we stopped off in Bangkok.

Fred Swanson · 19-10-2014 01:38AM

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Kenny2012 · 19-10-2014 01:46AM

Fred Swanson wrote: »

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My flight was with Emirates also, strange how they use different procedues on different flights. I would loved to have gotten off for a walk to stretch the legs.

Stinicker · 19-10-2014 02:56AM

The passengers will have to embark as the plane will be refuelled on each stop. ADD-DUB-LAX is beyond the range of the 787-800 and additionally due to the high elevation of Adis Ababa Airport at 2,334metres.

I'm not an expert but I think this means that all aircraft operating out of Adis Ababa have reduced maximum range as they operate on lighter fuel loads to keep within take off weight for the higher elevation. Thus a necessity to refuel in Dublin would make passenger disembarkation not a choice but a mandatory health and safety requirement as aircraft cannot be refuelled on the ground whilst full of passengers due to the risk of fire.

It will probably operate something like how Qantas used to refuel their aircraft in Singapore on the Kangaroo route and nowadays in Dubai before recatering and cleaning. Dublin is ideally situated on the Great Circle between ADD & LAX and with fifth freedom rights granted and no current airline operating DUB-LAX already it was an attractive route. Also I'm sure our lower aviation and travel taxes also were an attraction compared to the UK where APD is having negative effects on the industry.

ProfessorPlum · 19-10-2014 03:05AM

Stinicker wrote: »

The passengers will have to embark as the plane will be refuelled on each stop. ADD-DUB-LAX is beyond the range of the 787-800 and additionally due to the high elevation of Adis Ababa Airport at 2,334metres.

I'm not an expert but I think this means that all aircraft operating out of Adis Ababa have reduced maximum range as they operate on lighter fuel loads to keep within take off weight for the higher elevation. Thus a necessity to refuel in Dublin would make passenger disembarkation not a choice but a mandatory health and safety requirement as aircraft cannot be refuelled on the ground whilst full of passengers due to the risk of fire.

It will probably operate something like how Qantas used to refuel their aircraft in Singapore on the Kangaroo route and nowadays in Dubai before recatering and cleaning. Dublin is ideally situated on the Great Circle between ADD & LAX and with fifth freedom rights granted and no current airline operating DUB-LAX already it was an attractive route. Also I'm sure our lower aviation and travel taxes also were an attraction compared to the UK where APD is having negative effects on the industry.

There's no problem fueling with passengers on board. Happens every day at the airport, just some fairly minor extra precautions to be taken.

steve-o · 19-10-2014 10:07AM

Jamie2k9 wrote: »

I don't see why they would, its only an hour on the ground at most they will be off the aircraft for 20-25 minutes. They should have enough food for the complete journey.

And, unless a special area is constructed they would also have to pass through Irish immigration (and security) because of the lack of a transit zone in Dublin.

Irish Steve · 19-10-2014 11:22AM

It's been a good while since I was in that area, does the area in the old B pier as was that was used for ABP screening still exist? That could be used as a transit zone for flights like this unless it's being used for other things now.

The timings on this flight don't lend themselves to many fifth freedom passengers from other areas, as there's not many (if any) inbound services to connect with the LAX departure, and a night stop in a hotel with those departure times is not exactly economic. The inbound from LAX is slightly better in that respect.

Refuelling is not an issue, with or without passengers on the aircraft, the procedures are clearly set out.
Depending on who gets the handling contract, it could put some more pressure on some of the more expensive kit for handling, like highloaders, given the number of wide body flights that are due in around those times.

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