Petrol Bomb Attack in Waterford - 2 children badly burned

hawkelady · 17-10-2014 04:54PM

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

Why is it that we can't call the perpetrator in that case a monster but no one has any qualms about assuming the people involved in this one had no mental health issues until proven otherwise?

As far as I'm concerned, someone who kills or attacks a child should be considered a monster until evidence emerges to the contrary. We're far to quick to dismiss evil acts as mental health issues these days.

Most of us here would presume that the perpetrator of this crime is somewhat unstable ,no?
Do you think that a normal sane person would stab their 2 yr old child in the neck with a scissors ? Surely the answer is no ! If you think otherwise please do discuss your thoughts for coming to that conclusion.
Any I believe this is a different thread so I don't want to go off topic .

hatrickpatrick · 17-10-2014 04:58PM

hawkelady wrote: »

Most of us here would presume that the perpetrator of this crime is somewhat unstable ,no?
Do you think that a normal sane person would stab their 2 yr old child in the neck with a scissors ? Surely the answer is no ! If you think otherwise please do discuss your thoughts for coming to that conclusion.
Any I believe this is a different thread so I don't want to go off topic .

I believe some people in the world are terrible human beings, without there necessarily being any mitigating factors. Stalin killed millions of people, was he mentally unstable or just a horrible man?

I still fail to see why mental health issues should be presumed in one case here but not in the other.

qo2cj1dsne8y4k · 17-10-2014 05:11PM

Surely by that logic anyone who murders or harms another person isn't mentally stable?

flyingoutside · 17-10-2014 06:31PM

anto9 wrote: »

Well what do you expect in Ballybeg ?..such things happen weekly .

Yeah and I hear they also sacrifice goats to their heathen gods every night too.
Cop on like it's not Syria. Don't tarnish the whole place because they're stuck living besides scum.

Pumpkinseeds · 17-10-2014 06:49PM

Candie wrote: »

None of the above.

You live in a fantasy land if you think seasoned thugs will take well to being kicked into the street. Do you really think they'll sleep rough until they quietly expire? No, they'll make their presence known through crime and intimidation.

Btw, nobody is talking about being scared of thugs or condoning them living lives of comfort, it's not an either/or situation. Leaving them where they are isn't working, but putting them on the streets and imagining they'll improve their behaviour will not work either.

They are already making their presence known through crime and intimidation. Evicting them would at least stop the waste of tax payer money that's being spent on them. Take the case of the father of 4 caught red handed in possession of almost 19 thousand euro worth of drugs. Given a 3 month suspended sentence as he has children, that's before even factoring in the gobsh1te politician who took it upon himself to ask the judge for leniency on behalf of the scumbag, who already had a conviction for serious assault.

It's farcical. We need much tougher sentencing in this country, along with a loss of entitlement to benefits and social housing for repeat offenders.

Lyger · 17-10-2014 10:45PM

LexieOnRale wrote: »

when that father from Carlow took his two boys, murdered them and crashed his car in mayo, there was none of this compassion "god love him he wasn't well".

I remember people actually being compassionate towards him and less of the "Bastard deserves xyz" stuff.
I do remember people lacking compassion towards other male killers of their children though (an English fella out in Crete who threw his kids off a balcony; that guy in Cork who abducted his daughter and was missing for months and months and then was tracked down so killed his daughter and himself - in my opinion both were mentally ill).
I think there is more understanding of mental illness, particularly male mental illness, since those cases (occurred 10 to 15 years ago... ish).

But I still disagree with people downplaying what was done and taking issue with calling someone who killed their child a monster - it is a monstrous thing to do, whether by a sane or insane person.

18-10-2014 01:08PM

flyingoutside wrote: »

Yeah and I hear they also sacrifice goats to their heathen gods every night too.
Cop on like it's not Syria. Don't tarnish the whole place because they're stuck living besides scum.

Exactly.

For example would we tar the brave little girl who put her body on the line to protect her sister with the same brush as we would tar the pond life scum who threw the petrol bomb? All assumably from the same estate

Glock Lesnar · 18-10-2014 03:59PM

They should have the American's firebomb Ballybeg on their way to their stopovers in Shannon

18-10-2014 04:16PM

Glock Lesnar wrote: »

They should have the American's firebomb Ballybeg on their way to their stopovers in Shannon

??

Yep the perfect solution. Punish the majority for the actions of a minority.

What goes unnoticed in so called 'rough' estates is the people from these estates that do great community work to keep children off the streets and out of trouble I remember the secret millionaire featured a woman from South hill once that done trojan community work to give children a more fulfilling life in terms of giving them something to do to keep them from falling in with the wrong crowd.

Elm Park in Clonmel has a bad reputation but i know several decent hardworking people from there who are more than likely within the majority. One or two bad sorts is all it takes though.

You cant tar people with the one brush just because they misfortunately share a housing estate with one or two wrong uns. For example that 11 year old girl to try protect her sister like that is highly commendable and emphasizes one of the very few good things about society today - that strong family bond

Petrol Bomb Attack in Waterford - 2 children badly burned

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