Petrol Bomb Attack in Waterford - 2 children badly burned

17-10-2014 01:25PM #1

From Irish Times.

A man in his early 20s has been arrested in connection with a petrol bomb attack on a home in Waterford city last night in which two young children were injured.
The children, an 11-year-old girl and her one-year-old sister, received burn injuries when a petrol bomb was thrown into their home in Ardmore Park, Ballybeg in Waterford city.
A third child, a four-month-old boy was also in the house at the time but was uninjured.
The children were in the front sitting room of their home when the petrol bomb was thrown through the front window and exploded at around 9pm.
The girls were sitting on a sofa at the time and their grandmother rushed into room and managed to put out the flames using a fire extinguisher.
It’s understood the two children were taken to Waterford University Hospital where they were treated for serious but non-life threatening injuries. The boy was also taken to hospital as a precautionary measure.
The scene of the attack has been preserved to allow Garda technical experts carry out a forensic examination of the scene in a bid to identify those behind the attack.
The arrested man is being questioned at Waterford Garda station under section 4 of the criminal justice act of 1984.
Gardaí say two men were seen running away from the scene of the attack and they have appealed to witnesses to contact them at Waterford Garda station on 051-305300.

What the fúcking jesus sake is wrong with sectors of society? :mad:

We had the stabbing of a 2 year old by an absolute MONSTER up in Dublin and now these two utter disgusting rancid bastards (whoever they may be) fúcked a petrol bomb through a window in a housing estate in Waterford, causing serious burns to 2 children (one of which a baby) and had it not been for the bravery of the eldest child, god only knows as to what extent the injuries would be to her young sibling. Luckily the other toddler in the house at the time escaped injury

There is no death too gruesome for those responsible in my opinion :mad:

bear1 · 17-10-2014 02:01PM

The sad thing is that these sort of attacks won't stop. I can't see the reasoning behind the attack unless it was intended for another house.
Even still, it's a pure scumbag thing to do.
On the plus side no one was killed and I read that the burns will heal so no permanent scaring should stay with the children.
When the news was over this is what was playing in the car straight afterwards:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6KKPR2e6_vk

I had to chuckle at the irony

My name is URL · 17-10-2014 02:04PM

Waterford seems to have gone to the dogs recently. What is going on there?

qo2cj1dsne8y4k · 17-10-2014 02:07PM

Ballybeg was always a bad spot but Jesus, scum dragging innocent kids into harms way. Hoping they have a fast recovery.

bear1 · 17-10-2014 02:09PM

My name is URL wrote: »

Waterford seems to have gone to the dogs recently. What is going on there?

Lack of jobs would be my guess.

17-10-2014 02:33PM

Ballybeg is the only part of Waterford that I know the name of..

aziz · 17-10-2014 02:37PM

bear1 wrote: »

Lack of jobs would be my guess.

The lack of jobs has nothing to do with this,if the politicians,judges and gardai could get their arses in gear and sort these scumbags out,this would not happen

hawkelady · 17-10-2014 02:49PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

From Irish Times.

What the fúcking jesus sake is wrong with sectors of society? :mad:

We had the stabbing of a 2 year old by an absolute MONSTER up in Dublin and now these two utter disgusting rancid bastards (whoever they may be) fúcked a petrol bomb through a window in a housing estate in Waterford, causing serious burns to 2 children (one of which a baby) and had it not been for the bravery of the eldest child, god only knows as to what extent the injuries would be to her young sibling. Luckily the other toddler in the house at the time escaped injury

There is no death too gruesome for those responsible in my opinion :mad:

Do you judge much ??
A "monster " you say , quite possibly mental health is an issue with that incident in ballybrack .. Would you call everyone with mental health issues a "monster". It's a terrible situation indeed but you need to cop on a little and maybe use your brain before you babble !!

Rucking_Fetard · 17-10-2014 02:50PM

Don't do that again now, da ya here me, you're bold.

Off with ya.

blackwhite · 17-10-2014 03:04PM

aziz wrote: »

The lack of jobs has nothing to do with this,if the politicians,judges and gardai could get their arses in gear and sort these scumbags out,this would not happen

Very little that anyone in authority can do when the local people refuse to speak to the guards, or to testify against the family that are at the root of much of this.

qo2cj1dsne8y4k · 17-10-2014 03:05PM

hawkelady wrote: »

Do you judge much ??
A "monster " you say , quite possibly mental health is an issue with that incident in ballybrack .. Would you call everyone with mental health issues a "monster". It's a terrible situation indeed but you need to cop on a little and maybe use your brain before you babble !!

I'd call anyone who stuck an implement into a baby's neck a monster, regardless of their mental state. If the poor little child had been killed by his father or another male, it would be a completely justified reaction to assume they were bad.

17-10-2014 03:11PM

LexieOnRale wrote: »

I'd call anyone who stuck an implement into a baby's neck a monster, regardless of their mental state. If the poor little child had been killed by his father or another male, it would be a completely justified reaction to assume they were bad.

How would that be justified?

There's nothing justifiable in assuming anything about any aspect of the case, since we know so little.

And I would assume anyone male or female who is so unhinged that they stab a baby is a very sick individual, until proven otherwise.

Kermit.de.frog · 17-10-2014 03:13PM

The gardaí must know who the people in this gang are.

If they are living at the expense of the taxpayer in council houses I can never understand why they are not simply evicted.

qo2cj1dsne8y4k · 17-10-2014 03:15PM

Candie wrote: »

How would that be justified?

There's nothing justifiable in assuming anything about any aspect of the case, since we know so little.

And I would assume anyone male or female who is so unhinged that they stab a baby is a very sick individual, until proven otherwise.

Not to derail the thread any further, but when that father from Carlow took his two boys, murdered them and crashed his car in mayo, there was none of this compassion "god love him he wasn't well". You're right though candie, they are sick. There's plenty of people suffering with mental illness, doesn't mean they're all potential murderers.

17-10-2014 03:15PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

The gardaí must know who the people in this gang are.

If they are living at the expense of the taxpayer in council houses I can never understand why they are not simply evicted.

Presumably though if they were evicted the State would have to provide services in terms of taking the children into care and providing other accommodation. If you leave people on the streets with no money, a sense of entitlement and no moral inhibitions, you're starting a localised crime wave.

Kermit.de.frog · 17-10-2014 03:21PM

Candie wrote: »

Presumably though if they were evicted the State would have to provide services in terms of taking the children into care and providing other accommodation. If you leave people on the streets with no money, a sense of entitlement and no moral inhibitions, you're starting a localised crime wave.

Sorry but that is total bs and i'm 100% certain most people who are paying for this crap like all of us would agree they should be turfed out on their ears.

There should be no immunity to making everyone else' life a misery when we are bloody paying to keep rooves over these creeps heads.

As for "starting a crime wave" - there is already a crime wave.

17-10-2014 03:23PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Sorry but that is total bs and i'm 100% certain most people who are paying for this crap like all of us would agree they should be turfed out on their ears.

There should be no immunity to making everyone else' life a misery when we are bloody paying to keep rooves over these creeps heads.

What do you think people like that would do, if turfed out on the street?

Sit quietly in a shop doorway and think about what they've done?

Kermit.de.frog · 17-10-2014 03:27PM

Candie wrote: »

What do you think people like that would do, if turfed out on the street?

Sit quietly in a shop doorway and think about what they've done?

So do nothing because you are scared of these thugs? Let them stay in their council houses and continue ruining lives.

Get real. Why in the name of god should thugs like this be given anything by taxpayers? Fcuk em. Let them sleep rough. Not many will care nor should they, believe me.

Too easy to be a little toerag in this country because "the left" want to look after the little scamps. Comes to your doorstep and you will think twice.

17-10-2014 03:31PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

So do nothing because you are scared of these thugs? Let them stay in their council houses and continue ruining lives.

Get real. Why in the name of god should thugs like this be given anything by taxpayers? Fcuk em. Let them sleep rough. Not many will care nor should they, believe me.

None of the above.

You live in a fantasy land if you think seasoned thugs will take well to being kicked into the street. Do you really think they'll sleep rough until they quietly expire? No, they'll make their presence known through crime and intimidation.

Btw, nobody is talking about being scared of thugs or condoning them living lives of comfort, it's not an either/or situation. Leaving them where they are isn't working, but putting them on the streets and imagining they'll improve their behaviour will not work either.

qo2cj1dsne8y4k · 17-10-2014 03:33PM

How about they use their money from whatever illegal activity they supplement their dole with, and house themselves?

Kermit.de.frog · 17-10-2014 03:35PM

Candie wrote: »

None of the above.

You live in a fantasy land if you think seasoned thugs will take well to being kicked into the street.

Kick them out and we will find out. Can't be much of a king pin gurrier if your homeless, starving, cold and hungry.

To you that's awful. To me that is lesson learned.

bucketybuck · 17-10-2014 03:41PM

hawkelady wrote: »

Do you judge much ??
A "monster " you say , quite possibly mental health is an issue with that incident in ballybrack .. Would you call everyone with mental health issues a "monster". It's a terrible situation indeed but you need to cop on a little and maybe use your brain before you babble !!

Bullshit. Anybody who stabs a baby is a monster by definition regardless of any PC urge to explain it away with whatever mental health diagnosis is in vogue this month.

Nobody said everybody with mental health issues are monsters. People with depression or PTSD are not monsters and its a strawman for you to equate them with a baby killer. People who stab babies are monsters, if they aren't then the term has no meaning.

17-10-2014 03:43PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Kick them out and we will find out. Can't be much of a king pin gurrier if your homeless, starving, cold and hungry.

To you that's awful. To me that is lesson learned.

Actually, I never said it was undeserved, that's your assumption.

I just don't think it's going to be the utopian solution you think it will be.

anto9 · 17-10-2014 03:46PM

Well what do you expect in Ballybeg ?..such things happen weekly .

josip · 17-10-2014 03:51PM

bucketybuck wrote: »

Bullshit. Anybody who stabs a baby is a monster by definition regardless of any PC urge to explain it away with whatever mental health diagnosis is in vogue this month.

Nobody said everybody with mental health issues are monsters. People with depression or PTSD are not monsters and its a strawman for you to equate them with a baby killer. People who stab babies are monsters, if they aren't then the term has no meaning.

Perhaps a monster would be someone who would kill a 2 year old in order to gain something for themselves, eg an insurance policy, or perhaps kills them through neglect.
From the details we know about the Ballybrack murder, it's unclear what the motivation was for the murder.
Society often differentiates crimes with similar outcomes according to the motivation behind the crime. Eg. murder and mansluaghter.
None of this makes a fcuk of a difference anyway for the poor boy yesterday who for a hopefully very short time must have been wondering why his mammy had hit him.
RIP.

hawkelady · 17-10-2014 03:52PM

bucketybuck wrote: »

Bullshit. Anybody who stabs a baby is a monster by definition regardless of any PC urge to explain it away with whatever mental health diagnosis is in vogue this month.

Nobody said everybody with mental health issues are monsters. People with depression or PTSD are not monsters and its a strawman for you to equate them with a baby killer. People who stab babies are monsters, if they aren't then the term has no meaning.

Define monster then ??? A big green sea creature !!

Anyway I'm sure the judge who sits when this case comes to court won't be calling anyone a monster ! And even though none of us know the ins and outs of this I'll be surprised if the mother goes to prison for what she did .. It'll be dundrum ..
So if you want to whine and call people "monsters" ring joe Duffy.

qo2cj1dsne8y4k · 17-10-2014 03:59PM

hawkelady wrote: »

Define monster then ??? A big green sea creature !!

Anyway I'm sure the judge who sits when this case comes to court won't be calling anyone a monster ! And even though none of us know the ins and outs of this I'll be surprised if the mother goes to prison for what she did .. It'll be dundrum ..
So if you want to whine and call people "monsters" ring joe Duffy.

What's the difference between her and that Sanjeev chada?

josip · 17-10-2014 04:05PM

LexieOnRale wrote: »

What's the difference between her and that Sanjeev chada?

Difficult to make comparisons before we know more details of what happened in Ballybrack.

One eyed Jack · 17-10-2014 04:43PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

What the fúcking jesus sake is wrong with sectors of society? :mad:

...

There is no death too gruesome for those responsible in my opinion :mad:

You answered your own question there really - a minority of people choosing to mete out vigilante justice. I'm almost certain the welfare of the children in this particular case were a secondary concern to the perpetrators justification for setting the house alight in the first place.

Just like you would suggest that there is no death too gruesome for the perpetrators, apparently that's obviously the same way they felt too about whomever was living in the house.

There was a a case in Limerick a few years back where two children were in a car when it was petrol bombed by two teenagers because -

"Throwing petrol bombs around is bad enough, but to do so for such a trifling reason for not getting a lift into town elevates this offence into anarchic nihilism," he said.

independent.ie/irish-news/teens-get-13-years-for-petrol-bomb-attack-on-children-in-car-26324620.html

As much as I would have loved to string the little bastards up by their cohones for what they did, we really can't, as it would just lead to someone else thinking they were justified in stringing me up by my balls, and so the eye for an eye "justice" would continue and would only escalate each time as people tried to come up with new and inventive ways of meting out their own individual brand of "justice".

I for one anyway wouldn't want to live in a society where ordinary people get to decide what manner of death would be gruesome enough for people who commit crimes or how they feel they should be entitled to punish someone in a gruesome enough manner to justify their feeling offended by another persons actions. That would make us as bad as the people who commit these abhorrent crimes.

hatrickpatrick · 17-10-2014 04:48PM

hawkelady wrote: »

Do you judge much ??
A "monster " you say , quite possibly mental health is an issue with that incident in ballybrack .. Would you call everyone with mental health issues a "monster". It's a terrible situation indeed but you need to cop on a little and maybe use your brain before you babble !!

Why is it that we can't call the perpetrator in that case a monster but no one has any qualms about assuming the people involved in this one had no mental health issues until proven otherwise?

As far as I'm concerned, someone who kills or attacks a child should be considered a monster until evidence emerges to the contrary. We're far to quick to dismiss evil acts as mental health issues these days.

Saruman · 17-10-2014 04:53PM

There are a number of definitions for the word but the one that fits is this.

Monster: one who deviates from normal or acceptable behavior or character

Petrol Bomb Attack in Waterford - 2 children badly burned

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