Ebola virus outbreak

Kermit.de.frog · 16-10-2014 05:50PM

Meh, let me know when O'Bola reaches Ireland. I might wake up then.

My name is URL · 16-10-2014 05:51PM

ceadaoin. wrote: »

It's forecasted to be 10,000 new cases a week within a matter of months. And still people think this isn't a serious situation.

To be fair I haven't heard many people say that it's not a serious situation. There's a lot of middle ground between being completely dismissive of it and freaking the fcuk out over it.

daviecronin · 16-10-2014 05:55PM

Supposed to be going on a three week trip to Zambia in May next year - A charity thing. First thing we were told when we got on the team 'Don't be surprised if we don't go' Niceeeeeeeeeee.

Still though besides that what annoys me is how people can make jokes about Ebola? Well ver 5,000 people have died and the western world can just mock it. All over facebook or twitter. Its disgusting. You don't see people mocking the 3,000 people that died in 9/11 do you? Its funny how people don't value other peoples lives from developing countries.

Creative Juices · 16-10-2014 05:55PM

Turtwig wrote: »

One thing I don't like in the media reporting is the emphasis that the outbreak is still spreading in Liberia, Sierra Leone but no mention of Nigeria having contained it. Now more than ever people need to be made aware of the differences on the ground between the various nations. The primary countries infected will likely see a doubling of cases every 4 weeks. People also need to know that rate isn't expected in countries where an outbreak might be just beginning.

Yeah Nigeria seemed to have contained it with ease. WHO should be investigating how they accomplished that so quickly.

Also Congo have it pretty isolated too to one small area and have successfully dealt with previous outbreaks over the past 40 years.

Post #2056 gives more detail.

Kermit.de.frog · 16-10-2014 05:55PM

My name is URL wrote: »

To be fair I haven't heard many people say that it's not a serious situation.

It's serious but to an extent. The disease will go on killing people after the media tires of it just like other serious diseases. I reckon it's here to stay like AIDS but for the vast, vast majority in reality it's irrelevant and won't effect them.

sashafierce · 16-10-2014 05:58PM

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wexie · 16-10-2014 06:01PM

daviecronin wrote: »

Well ver 5,000 people have died and the western world can just mock it. All over facebook or twitter. Its disgusting. You don't see people mocking the 3,000 people that died in 9/11 do you? Its funny how people don't value other peoples lives from developing countries.

Yeah but those were Americans you can't compare the situation man, you don't know what it was like, you weren't there!!! :rolleyes:

Gael23 · 16-10-2014 06:09PM

Why can't Liberias borders be closed with the exception of medical personnel?

BlatentCheek · 16-10-2014 06:16PM

Creative Juices wrote: »

Yeah Nigeria seemed to have contained it with ease. WHO should be investigating how they accomplished that so quickly.

Also Congo have it pretty isolated too to one small area and have successfully dealt with previous outbreaks over the past 40 years.

Post #2056 gives more detail.

According to The Guardian it was because Nigeria had a strong epidemic control system in place from the end game against polio being waged there very recently.

I suspect that a lot of harsh lessons about fighting infectious diseases with no easy cure have been forgotten in the West. Just look at the situation in Texas, why was a person who had treated someone with Ebola allowed to board a plane shortly afterwards?

Maybe a health system focused on first world problems like boob jobs will take a little while to adapt to Ebola and re-learn basics like total quarantine.

My name is URL · 16-10-2014 06:21PM

ryanf1 wrote: »

Why can't Liberias borders be closed with the exception of medical personnel?

Most of them have been closed since August. Those that are still 'open' have strict measures in place and have screening and testing centers set up at them

http://edition.cnn.com/2014/07/28/health/ebola-outbreak-west-africa/

TheBeardedLady · 16-10-2014 06:25PM

*Slathers herself in hand sanitiser*

Gael23 · 16-10-2014 06:29PM

My name is URL wrote: »

Most of them have been closed since August. Those that are still 'open' have strict measures in place and have screening and testing centers set up at them

http://edition.cnn.com/2014/07/28/health/ebola-outbreak-west-africa/

Are the airports closed also?

My name is URL · 16-10-2014 06:35PM

ryanf1 wrote: »

Are the airports closed also?

It only has one international airport and people are being closely monitored when passing through it

Good article here about an NPR journalist who travelled from there to the US a couple of days ago

http://mashable.com/2014/10/14/liberia-ebola-live-tweets-travel/

The airports that people fly into once they've left Liberia could be doing a lot more

Gael23 · 16-10-2014 06:36PM

My name is URL wrote: »

It only has one international airport and people are being closely monitored when passing through it

Good article here about an NPR journalist who travelled from there to the US a couple of days ago

http://mashable.com/2014/10/14/liberia-ebola-live-tweets-travel/

Can it not be shut and movement in the country halted for a few days to contain this?

My name is URL · 16-10-2014 06:38PM

ryanf1 wrote: »

Can it not be shut and movement in the country halted for a few days to contain this?

There's no better way to make people panic and illegally cross borders / flee the country, than by telling them that they are not allowed to do so legally.

realweirdo · 16-10-2014 06:45PM

Creative Juices wrote: »

But you have to admit ProfressorPlum is right, you are absolutely winging it and making it up as you go along. When anyone questions your "statements", you completely change tack and get all defensive rather than discuss the statement itself.

We know Google is your friend but I think a more balanced and less emotive presentation of the facts would help.

I await a rant including some of the following phrases "humanity at stake, colonialism will haunt the west, head in the sand, will go airborne, vaccines wont work, close the borders, racist element "

This post is laughable to be frank. I point out the truth, the reality and the likely future based on current trends. If that upsets your sensitivites I'm not particularly bothered. As for making it up as I go along it might seem that way to the uninitiated like you but this is a fluid and evolving situation. I could easily say the same about you. You are just another of those people who don't get the seriousness of this outbreak and how it could quite easily reach the west. And there is no guarantee we will cope with it better than the Africans. So in other words its you who has been winging it, most objective readers of this thread would agree with that.

ceadaoin. · 16-10-2014 06:48PM

ceadaoin. wrote: »

This is one of two people who were in Liberia researching ebola. They were told they didn't need to sequester themselves. Here is the story from a couple of days ago. Hopefully it's 'just' malaria or something and not ebola. It says they didn't come into to contact with anyone infected so it seems unlikely. Generally so far, if you hear about it beforehand, it's not ebola.

http://foxct.com/2014/10/14/yale-researchers-who-planned-to-be-quarantined-are-back-in-new-haven-not-isolated/

It's looking like this person had contact with the NBC cameraman who developed ebola. The contact happened the day before the cameraman developed symptoms apparently so hopefully there is still just a very small risk. If that's true it's another example of the completely inept way this whole thing has been handled in the US. He volunteered to be quarantined but it was refused.

While University administrators have insisted that the patient did not have contact with the disease, Yale Medical School Dean Robert Alpern said that the patient “did have contact with one person who eventually developed ebola.”

A source familiar with the patient’s travel activities said the patient came in direct contact with NBC cameraman Ashoka Mukpo, who was diagnosed with Ebola on Oct. 1. The patient indicated that contact came the day before Mukpo developed symptoms, the source said. NBC declined to comment on the matter.

realweirdo · 16-10-2014 07:00PM

ceadaoin. wrote: »

It's forecasted to be 10,000 new cases a week within a matter of months. And still people think this isn't a serious situation.

A lot of people are gradually getting the seriousness of it and the need to restrict travel to and from affected areas among other measures. People who have argued for that as 1 part of fighting ebola spread have been attacked as racist which is completely unhelpful. If ebola started in Iceland I and others would be saying the same.

If its 10,000 a week in December it will be 20,000 a week in late january based on current trends. I saw somewhere, I think a report by the cdc, that eventually it could reach 10,000 cases a day. I will look for the article later. At what stage will western governments take this seriously enough to declare it an international emergency and invest all available resources to fight it?

josip · 16-10-2014 07:14PM

TheBeardedLady wrote: »

*Slathers herself in hand sanitiser*

Pics or GTFO

I am pie · 16-10-2014 07:17PM

if 4500 europeans or americans died in a terrorist attack we would see a bottomless pit of funds and resources to fight the cause.

BeerWolf · 16-10-2014 07:24PM

Not to be a scare monger or anything, but my sister's husband who's an IT security specialists says that Air France flight had 14 Irish passengers... but it's being kept quiet here... hmmz

Creative Juices · 16-10-2014 07:26PM

BeerWolf wrote: »

Not to be a scare monger or anything, but my sister's husband who's an IT security specialists says that Air France flight had 14 Irish passengers.

I am confused, what is the relevance of the IT security role?

josip · 16-10-2014 07:27PM

BeerWolf wrote: »

Not to be a scare monger or anything, but my sister's husband who's an IT security specialists says that Air France flight had 14 Irish passengers... but it's being kept quiet here... hmmz

Please do explain the relevance of your sister's husband's job to this piece of news?

gozunda · 16-10-2014 07:29PM

Canis Lupus wrote: »

Well this was patient no1 for the US and he vomited, as per your article, as they put him into the ambulance to take him to hospital That's not what I would describe as a mobile person.

You said

1: A person isn't infectious until they start showing symptoms and are quickly bedridden there after. Therefore whilst they are mobile they're not infectious and afterwards they won't be walking about much.

The guy was out in the community - walking about - living in an apartment - How much more bleedin mobile could he be???? And yes he was symptomatic and infectious!

"Canis wrote:

...I guess we'll have to wait and see how any further cases develop. It is worth noting however that Mr Duncans family despite living with him have at this stage showed no signs of infection and I would expect they would have been in close proximity to him including toilet and door handles and all that jazz. They do unfortunately still have some time to wait out before getting the all clear (which must of course be awful).

Both vomit and diarrhoea caused by the Ebola virus is known to be highly infectious - if the other family members havn't contracted Ebola - then they are extremely lucky.

It would be nice to believe that every case of Ebola outside Africa will immediately and magically be isolated - somehow I can't see it happening because sh/t happens when humans are involved ...

ProfessorPlum · 16-10-2014 07:34PM

BeerWolf wrote: »

Not to be a scare monger or anything, but my sister's husband who's an IT security specialists says that Air France flight had 14 Irish passengers... but it's being kept quiet here... hmmz

I imagine it's not being kept quiet so much as it's not really news. Although now that you've mentioned it some thrashy tabloid is bound to pick it up:(

Canis Lupus · 16-10-2014 07:50PM

gozunda wrote: »

The guy was out in the community - walking about - living in an apartment - How much more bleedin mobile could he be???? And yes he was symptomatic and infectious!

According to what I'm read on the news and wiki when he reported to the hospital the first time he was suffering fever, headache and abdominable pain. He wasn't suffering from nausea/vomiting nor diarrhea. This was on a Thursday and all I can see is by Sunday he required an ambulance to get to hospital. Aside from the trip to and from hospital have you any sources to show he was out and about? Most people when sick with a fever, headache and abdominal pain go lie down in bed. I know I do. Either way the powers that be have identified low and high risk contacts and are monitoring them.

Both vomit and diarrhoea caused by the Ebola virus is known to be highly infectious - if the other family members havn't contracted Ebola - then they are extremely lucky.

Extremely lucky or ebola is not as easy to catch as some people are trying to make out?

EDIT: BTW I do agree that we're all human. Mistakes have been and will continue to be made. Regardless, I just don't think there is any cause for major concern at this time for developed nations.

the_syco · 16-10-2014 07:56PM

AngryHippie wrote: »

Then you haven't used enough. I'm talking lots and lots of napalm:eek:

Thermobaric Explosive ftw!

humberklog · 16-10-2014 08:14PM

BeerWolf wrote: »

Not to be a scare monger or anything, but my sister's husband who's an IT security specialists says that Air France flight had 14 Irish passengers... but it's being kept quiet here... hmmz

Your not being a scaremonger at all, at all. But definately cryptic and waffly and weirdly boastful. I'd rather catch ebola and wave my gloopy innards goodbye rather than have my brain wired like that.

gozunda · 16-10-2014 08:15PM

Canis Lupus wrote: »

According to what I'm read on the news and wiki when he reported to the hospital the first time he was suffering fever, headache and abdominable pain. He wasn't suffering from nausea/vomiting nor diarrhea. This was on a Thursday and all I can see is by Sunday he required an ambulance to get to hospital. Aside from the trip to and from hospital have you any sources to show he was out and about?

Fcs - he was in the community - he was vomiting in the street - he was not in a medical facility. Unfortunately we don't have full info on his medical notes but yes he was mobile and symptomatic. Split hairs much? ..

Canis Lupus wrote: »

Most people when sick with a fever, headache and abdominal pain go lie down in bed. I know I do. Either way the powers that be have identified low and high risk contacts and are monitoring them.

Really? Do they? Your basing everyone else's responses on what you do? The problem is that individuals at risk may not come visable until it's too late.

Extremely lucky or ebola is not as easy to catch as some people are trying to make out?

So you don't believe the medical information out there at present? Tell that to the medical professionals at the face of the epidemic.

Canis Lupus wrote: »

EDIT: BTW I do agree that we're all human. Mistakes have been and will continue to be made. Regardless, I just don't think there is any cause for major concern at this time for developed nations.

'Developed nations' are no guarantee of anything especially a virus that has no regard for socio economic nicities ..

BorneTobyWilde · 16-10-2014 08:35PM

If you calculate the time it takes to destroy a city and move on,
we're looking at the worldwide destruction of every major city
in the next 36 hours

Ebola virus outbreak

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