Ebola virus outbreak

ceadaoin. · 14-10-2014 08:41PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I reckon if there was a case of Ebola in Germany, the world would be given a lesson on how containment should work.

Well they have already treated 2 ebola cases brought back from west Africa without incident so far, one of whom died today.

Creative Juices · 14-10-2014 08:50PM

realweirdo wrote: »

Still amazed how some people are so relaxed about this. Once ebola becomes endemic in africa its game over, sooner or later.

There won't be pograms against Africans but if the rest of the world wants to avoid it there will in time need to be restrictions on people leaving Africa. Every year tens of thousands of africans try to illegally migrate to Europe. If only a handful of these had ebola there could be serious consequences in Europe.

Ebola is a major symptom of 3rd world poverty which will come back to haunt the west.

Sorry but these are sweeping and largely unhelpful statements. Even in African alone, it hasn't ever affected some of the poorest 3rd world countries e.g Eritrea, Ethiopia, Zimbabwe, Togo, Malawi, Sudan, Somalia, Burundi etc.

People wont take it seriously if you portray it some sort of colonial curse.

realweirdo · 14-10-2014 08:59PM

Creative Juices wrote: »

Sorry but these are sweeping and largely unhelpful statements. Even in African alone, it hasn't ever affected some of the poorest 3rd world countries e.g Eritrea, Ethiopia, Zimbabwe, Togo, Malawi, Sudan, Somalia, Burundi etc.

People wont take it seriously if you portray it some sort of colonial curse.

Its posts like yours that are more unhelpful. Everything I said was the absolute truth. The WHO are now predicting 10,000 cases a week in Africa. Once that happens its game over in africa. They have struggled and largely failed to contain a few hundred ebola cases. What hope 10,000 a week? None.

We all need to grow up about this and if it comes to it isolate large parts of Africa.

And the bleeding heart liberals can go whinge somewhere else, thats if they manage to avoid being infected with ebola in years to come.

The window of opportunity to defeat ebola has largely closed thanks mainly to the inaction of rich countries like germany who as of mid september had donated the grand total of 3 million euro to the fight. The americans on the otherhand contributed 150 million by that stage.

YFlyer · 14-10-2014 09:23PM

Would Ebola survive in our wet environment?

nyarlothothep · 14-10-2014 09:23PM

realweirdo wrote: »

Its posts like yours that are more unhelpful. Everything I said was the absolute truth. The WHO are now predicting 10,000 cases a week in Africa. Once that happens its game over in africa. They have struggled and largely failed to contain a few hundred ebola cases. What hope 10,000 a week? None.

We all need to grow up about this and if it comes to it isolate large parts of Africa.

And the bleeding heart liberals can go whinge somewhere else, thats if they manage to avoid being infected with ebola in years to come.

The window of opportunity to defeat ebola has largely closed thanks mainly to the inaction of rich countries like germany who as of mid september had donated the grand total of 3 million euro to the fight. The americans on the otherhand contributed 150 million by that stage.

How is it feasible to enforce a military perimeter over tens of thousands of miles of borders?

Tin Foil Hat · 14-10-2014 09:25PM

YFlyer wrote: »

Would Ebola survive in our wet environment?

Why wouldn't it? It survives and thrives in bodily fluids.

ProfessorPlum · 14-10-2014 09:26PM

YFlyer wrote: »

Would Ebola survive in our wet environment?

Ebola survives in hosts - be they animal or human. It doesn't really care what the weather is like

Tin Foil Hat · 14-10-2014 09:33PM

ProfessorPlum wrote: »

Ebola survives in hosts - be they animal or human. It doesn't really care what the weather is like

Actually, I read somewhere today that the Ebola virus can survive on surfaces for longer in colder weather.

FullblownRose · 14-10-2014 09:37PM

Mosst Irish people have an bsession with central heating, does it like hot, dry rooms?

Creative Juices · 14-10-2014 09:53PM

realweirdo wrote: »

Still amazed how some people are so relaxed about this. Once ebola becomes endemic in africa its game over, sooner or later.

There won't be pograms against Africans but if the rest of the world wants to avoid it there will in time need to be restrictions on people leaving Africa. Every year tens of thousands of africans try to illegally migrate to Europe. If only a handful of these had ebola there could be serious consequences in Europe.

Ebola is a major symptom of 3rd world poverty which will come back to haunt the west.

Everything in this post is the truth you say? I would like to break it down.

1. "Once ebola becomes endemic in africa its game over, sooner or later."

I am not even sure what that means. What game is over and when/how will it become endemic in Africa?

2. "There won't be pograms against Africans but if the rest of the world wants to avoid it there will in time need to be restrictions on people leaving Africa."

So there will be pograms if we do not close the borders on the whole continent?

3. "If only a handful of these had ebola there could be serious consequences in Europe."

Five people with ebola will have what consequences in Europe exactly? Can you back it up?

4. "Ebola is a major symptom of 3rd world poverty which will come back to haunt the west."

Sorry but as I already replied, this is just meaningless waffle.

Creative Juices · 14-10-2014 09:54PM

realweirdo wrote: »

Still amazed how some people are so relaxed about this. Once ebola becomes endemic in africa its game over, sooner or later.

There won't be pograms against Africans but if the rest of the world wants to avoid it there will in time need to be restrictions on people leaving Africa. Every year tens of thousands of africans try to illegally migrate to Europe. If only a handful of these had ebola there could be serious consequences in Europe.

Ebola is a major symptom of 3rd world poverty which will come back to haunt the west.

Everything in this post is the "absolute truth" you say above? I would like to break it down if you don't mind.

1. "Once ebola becomes endemic in africa its game over, sooner or later."

I am not even sure what that means. What game is over and when/how will it become endemic in Africa?

2. "There won't be pograms against Africans but if the rest of the world wants to avoid it there will in time need to be restrictions on people leaving Africa."

So there will be pograms if we do not close the borders on the whole continent?

3. "If only a handful of these had ebola there could be serious consequences in Europe."

Five people with ebola will have what consequences in Europe exactly? Can you back it up?

4. "Ebola is a major symptom of 3rd world poverty which will come back to haunt the west."

Sorry but as I already replied, this is just meaningless waffle.

The_Valeyard · 14-10-2014 09:55PM

Sixty days....according to the UN.

marco_polo · 14-10-2014 10:02PM

Tin Foil Hat wrote: »

Actually, I read somewhere today that the Ebola virus can survive on surfaces for longer in colder weather.

Might have be referring to the fact that UV light kills it, so it can't last long in direct sunlight?

gladrags · 14-10-2014 10:25PM

Duck's hoop wrote: »

Imo the most dangerous bit of this thing is not necessarily the virus itself but the panic in general population it could very well engender.

Panic buying, mob law, pogroms targeting Africans could all lead to a very messy wee world. Combined with even a few hundred cases in a major city and there's a very large law and order problem.

Or it may not live up to your expectations.

The virus has been around since 1976

Straight Talker · 14-10-2014 10:33PM

Do we need to brace ourselves for the arrival of this virus in the country by christmas?Would there be a medium or high risk of infection to the general populace?Surely any case of Ebula outbreak in Ireland should be treated in an isolated location.The Matter hospital one of the busiest hospitals in the country right in the centre of Dublin is hardly that.Ebola + the HSE.Those two things have the makings of a disastrous combination.

youtube! · 14-10-2014 10:40PM

Why are the WHO saying they expect 10000 new cases a week by Xmas? I mean lets face it 10000 a week by then will be 50000 a week 6 months later this is really frightening.

CaliforniaDream · 14-10-2014 10:54PM

*Since you can't get the virus again once you've had it (not sure about different strains), can they just teach all the survivors how to treat people and have them take care of new cases?
As more and more survive there'll be less to infect as all the 'doctors' have no chance of getting it again. I've just solved the problem!

*This post is not to be taken seriously.

gozunda · 14-10-2014 10:55PM

gladrags wrote: »

Or it may not live up to your expectations.

The virus has been around since 1976

It is likley that the virus has been around a hell of a lot longer than that.

It is known to exist in wild animal populations. The first recognised human outbreak of Ebola was first identified in 1976. Many epidemics such as the Black Death caused by the Yersinia pestis bacterium remain active in wild animal populations and periodically appear to spread to humans. The fact that there was an Ebola epidemic in 1976 etc means nothing in terms of when the disease will return or how serious any such epidemic may be.

realweirdo · 14-10-2014 11:05PM

nyarlothothep wrote: »

How is it feasible to enforce a military perimeter over tens of thousands of miles of borders?

Difficult but possible but it will start with restricting flights. Restricting its spread is not an option its a must. Otherwise the future of humanity is at risk.

fryup · 14-10-2014 11:08PM

realweirdo wrote: »

Difficult but possible but it will start with restricting flights. Restricting its spread is not an option its a must. Otherwise the future of humanity is at risk.

the world is over-populated, maybe this is a blessing in disguise

Creative Juices · 14-10-2014 11:11PM

realweirdo wrote: »

Difficult but possible but it will start with restricting flights. Restricting its spread is not an option its a must. Otherwise the future of humanity is at risk.

And the people that survive won't be human?

realweirdo · 14-10-2014 11:11PM

Straight Talker wrote: »

Do we need to brace ourselves for the arrival of this virus in the country by christmas?Would there be a medium or high risk of infection to the general populace?Surely any case of Ebula outbreak in Ireland should be treated in an isolated location.The Matter hospital one of the busiest hospitals in the country right in the centre of Dublin is hardly that.Ebola + the HSE.Those two things have the makings of a disastrous combination.

Indeed..the biggest problem is that individuals or governments in the west won't take this seriously. There's certainly a racist element to that. The majority in the west rarely care when Africans die. When the threat becomes imminent to them only then do they care. Added to the fact no vaccine has been created yet, another element of racism.

A lot of people won't pay this any heed until it comes rolling up on their doorstep. Only then it will be far far too late. And people shouted down now by the usual mindless mob will have been proved right.

realweirdo · 14-10-2014 11:14PM

Creative Juices wrote: »

And the people that survive won't be human?

What on earth is that supposed to mean?

realweirdo · 14-10-2014 11:16PM

fryup wrote: »

the world is over-populated, maybe this is a blessing in disguise

Maybe it is...are you prepared to take your chances? Probably not!

nyarlothothep · 14-10-2014 11:17PM

fryup wrote: »

the world is over-populated, maybe this is a blessing in disguise

The surviving peasants were able to move up the social ladder after the black death and some argue feudal society was irrevocably changed as a result but it was a terrible price to pay. As for enforcing borders I'm all for it but it would involve a vast amount of money, resources, logistics etc and would require most major powers to agree to work in a unified capacity but since it's not the terrifying threat it may yet become nobody is going to do anything about it because it's not 'tangible' yet. Kind of like putting studying off for an exam until the last moment or tax returns etc.

Turtwig · 14-10-2014 11:17PM

realweirdo wrote: »

Difficult but possible but it will start with restricting flights. Restricting its spread is not an option its a must. Otherwise the future of humanity is at risk.

Oh sweet divine mercy.

The virus hasn't even wiped out a million people. Liberia and other nations preliminary infected lost control of their outbreaks month's ago. There hasn't been an actual legitimate threat to the majority population of any western society as of yet. Heck, even Africa is mostly unscathed. A lot of people will die there from Ebola, but it won't even be the biggest killer of humans in those regions this year.

Ebola for all it's achievements is still killed by soap and it's not really that contagious. Highest risk are those in impoverished areas (nightmare: being an shanty town/slum/urban deprived area infected) and frontline health workers, particularly those with less experience of viruses of that nature. Odds are most people in the world who die within the next decade won't die from ebola.

There's a lesson here for public health officials. Swine Flu, actually had more potential it affected the same demographics that ebola did whereas all ebola has going for it is supposed 50% fatality rate (but we have no idea how higher standards of care may impact that). Yet, I guess, as if by a self fulfilling prophecy of the mythical status of this virus people are terrified over ebola and were extremely naive over H1N1. One of them seems to be achieving it's potential - may even surpass it, the other, thankfully, didn't even come close.

realweirdo · 14-10-2014 11:21PM

Creative Juices wrote: »

Everything in this post is the "absolute truth" you say above? I would like to break it down if you don't mind.

1. "Once ebola becomes endemic in africa its game over, sooner or later."

I am not even sure what that means. What game is over and when/how will it become endemic in Africa?

2. "There won't be pograms against Africans but if the rest of the world wants to avoid it there will in time need to be restrictions on people leaving Africa."

So there will be pograms if we do not close the borders on the whole continent?

3. "If only a handful of these had ebola there could be serious consequences in Europe."

Five people with ebola will have what consequences in Europe exactly? Can you back it up?

4. "Ebola is a major symptom of 3rd world poverty which will come back to haunt the west."

Sorry but as I already replied, this is just meaningless waffle.

If I thought you were intelligent enough I'd continue this discussion but I don't think you are.

Here's a very basic equation for you to mull over if you are able. There are over 7 billion people in the world. The population of the current affected area is roughly 35 million perhaps less. That represents 0.5 % of the worlds population.

And you want to jeopardise the other 99.5% with your approach? Seriously?

Tell us how this can be stopped pal otherwise its you who are indulging in unrestrained waffle.

fryup · 14-10-2014 11:22PM

fryup wrote: »

the world is over-populated, maybe this is a blessing in disguise

realweirdo wrote: »

Maybe it is...are you prepared to take your chances? Probably not!

oh no i don't want it on my doorstep...as long as it happens over there i'm fine with that

realweirdo · 14-10-2014 11:24PM

Turtwig wrote: »

Oh sweet divine mercy.

The virus hasn't even wiped out a million people. Liberia and other nations preliminary infected lost control of their outbreaks month's ago. There hasn't been an actual legitimate threat to the majority population of any western society as of yet. Heck, even Africa is mostly unscathed. A lot of people will die there from Ebola, but it won't even be the biggest killer of humans in those regions this year.

Ebola for all it's achievements is still killed by soap and it's not really that contagious. Highest risk are those in impoverished areas (nightmare: being an shanty town/slum/urban deprived area infected) and frontline health workers, particularly those with less experience of viruses of that nature. Odds are most people in the world who die within the next decade won't die from ebola.

There's a lesson here for public health officials. Swine Flu, actually had more potential it affected the same demographics that ebola did whereas all ebola has going for it is supposed 50% fatality rate (but we have no idea how higher standards of care may impact that). Yet, I guess, as if by a self fulfilling prophecy of the mythical status of this virus people are terrified over ebola and were extremely naive over H1N1. One of them seems to be achieving it's potential - may even surpass it, the other, thankfully, didn't even come close.

Another example of someone who just doesn't get it. One of the more frightening aspects of this outbreak is the number of people who don't grasp its seriousness. I seem to be the only one who does!

Turtwig · 14-10-2014 11:25PM

realweirdo wrote: »

Another example of someone who just doesn't get it. One of the more frightening aspects of this outbreak is the number of people who don't grasp its seriousness. I seem to be the only one who does!

Pretty sure I wrote months ago on this website that this was really serious for the affected regions just not to the globe, or humanity, as a whole.

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