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Ebola virus outbreak

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,823 ✭✭✭WakeUp


    I know it hasn't been solved, but it's being managed, the number of new cases is reducing, the organisations that can do most on the ground are in place.

    Sure, it's not solved, but it ISN'T going to be a world threatening plague, it ISN'T even a regional disaster, it's just yet another nasty disease in Africa. There are a number of vaccines that show promise, and, with a little luck, this time next year it will just be a bad memory for all the survivors.

    So, no longer a major threat to humanity, no longer a story. More people died in Europe from flu and pneumonia in the last 3 months that have ever died of Ebola.

    So it isn't a huge issue, unless you are directly effected.

    Perhaps it's time for less histrionics, and time for more analysis, and maybe even a concerted effort by the developed world to ensure the leaders of the poorest countries in the world are encouraged to implement and fund basic health and education systems, rather than building new palaces or buying fighter jets. Sanctions against individuals were used when the Russians invaded Ukraine, why not against Leaders that squander and steal their countries funds to the detriment of the very poorest?

    Being managed would really depend on how you define it as there are many cases going unreported and its far from under control. that isnt histrionics its just how it is and it is a regional crisis that will get worse before it improves. still dont see how ebola can be compared to the flu or pneumonia or something like that. I mean if you are going to compare ebola to something it would be better comparing it to something that unlike flu or whatever has a 70% chance of killing you in a fairly painful and scary kind of way. like sneaking up behind a grizzly bear with a blindfold on and trying to hump him. that has about a 70% chance or more of ending bad for you in a really painful scary kind of way. I read somewhere that NY spent nearly 20 million dollars treating one case and monitoring contacts. one case. all in all things are still on and its no time to be complacent. unfortunately it still needs watching closely. agree with your comments though about corruption and that and making sure money donated reaches the people it should be reaching.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,021 ✭✭✭Miike


    WakeUp wrote: »
    Being managed would really depend on how you define it as there are many cases going unreported and its far from under control. that isnt histrionics its just how it is and it is a regional crisis that will get worse before it improves. still dont see how ebola can be compared to the flu or pneumonia or something like that. I mean if you are going to compare ebola to something it would be better comparing it to something that unlike flu or whatever has a 70% chance of killing you in a fairly painful and scary kind of way. like sneaking up behind a grizzly bear with a blindfold on and trying to hump him. that has about a 70% chance or more of ending bad for you in a really painful scary kind of way. I read somewhere that NY spent nearly 20 million dollars treating one case and monitoring contacts. one case. all in all things are still on and its no time to be complacent. unfortunately it still needs watching closely. agree with your comments though about corruption and that and making sure money donated reaches the people it should be reaching.

    20 million dollars for one case? I think you might be a tad confused.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,428 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    Miike wrote: »
    20 million dollars for one case? I think you might be a tad confused.


    Yep. It's true. According to a NY senator anyway

    In New York, which diagnosed its first Ebola case last month, the price tag has been steep, Schumer said.
    The city has spent about $20 million so far to quarantine and treat Dr. Craig Spencer, trace his contacts and make sure the disease doesn't spread, according to Schumer, a Democrat.

    http://www.cnn.com/2014/11/16/politics/new-york-ebola-cost/


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,021 ✭✭✭Miike


    ceadaoin. wrote: »
    Yep. It's true. According to a NY senator anyway




    http://www.cnn.com/2014/11/16/politics/new-york-ebola-cost/

    I still struggle to believe 20 million, I don't know why. For a single case?! Seems majorly excessive. I stand corrected mind you :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,893 ✭✭✭Canis Lupus


    Miike wrote: »
    I still struggle to believe 20 million, I don't know why. For a single case?! Seems majorly excessive. I stand corrected mind you :)

    Pffft... You should see the bills Americans get for going to hospital for simple sh*t never mind treating someone with ebola. Just google and be alarmed.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,357 ✭✭✭Beano


    Miike wrote: »
    I still struggle to believe 20 million, I don't know why. For a single case?! Seems majorly excessive. I stand corrected mind you :)


    Thats $20M us government dollars. about 100 quid in real money.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,428 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    The latest person to be brought back to the US for treatment has died. The doctor, from Sierra Leone, was in a very serious condition by the time he was transferred. It does seem that early treatment is key to survival.
    A surgeon who contracted Ebola while working in Sierra Leone, Dr. Martin Salia, died Monday while being treated in a biocontainment center in Omaha.

    “It is with an extremely heavy heart that we share this news,” said Dr. Philip Smith, the medical director of the biocontainment unit at the Nebraska Medical Center. “Dr. Salia was extremely critical when he arrived here, and unfortunately, despite our best efforts, we weren’t able to save him.”

    Dr. Salia, who is a citizen of Sierra Leone but lives in Maryland, had been working as a general surgeon at Kissy United Methodist Hospital in Sierra Leone’s capital, Freetown. It was not clear where he had come in contact with Ebola patients. Five other doctors in Sierra Leone have contracted Ebola; all have died.

    A hospital spokeswoman, Taylor Wilson, said that Dr. Salia died about 4 a.m. Monday. He came down with symptoms of the virus on Nov. 6 but initially tested negative. He tested positive a week ago.

    In a statement, the hospital said that Dr. Salia was suffering from advanced symptoms of Ebola, including kidney and respiratory failure, when he arrived on Saturday. Treatments, the statement said, included kidney dialysis and ventilation as well as a blood plasma transfusion from a patient who has recovered from Ebola and an experimental drug, ZMapp.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 31,117 ✭✭✭✭snubbleste


    5000+ people confirmed dead so far
    shows no signs of abating.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,428 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    Over 16,000 confirmed cases in West Africa now and almost 7000 deaths. The news coverage of this has tailed off but it is far from over.
    The number of people killed by the Ebola outbreak in West Africa has risen to 6,928, the World Health Organisation (WHO) says.

    The toll has increased by over 1,000 since the WHO's last report on Wednesday, but it includes unreported deaths from earlier in the outbreak.

    Experts say the infection rate is more significant that the death toll, as it reflects how the virus is spreading.

    Infection rates are decreasing in Liberia, but are high in Sierra Leone.

    There have been over 16,000 reported cases in Guinea, Sierra and Liberia.

    http://www.bbc.com/news/health-30260532


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,139 ✭✭✭323


    “Follow the trend lines, not the headlines,”



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,485 ✭✭✭Thrill


    Scottish Government Confirms Ebola Diagnosed In Glasgow Patient
    A healthcare worker who recently returned from West Africa has been diagnosed with Ebola and is being treated in hospital in Glasgow

    http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-30628349


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 31,117 ✭✭✭✭snubbleste


    Thrill wrote: »
    Scottish Government Confirms Ebola Diagnosed In Glasgow Patient http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-30628349
    SkyNews are sending Kay Burley :cool:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,882 ✭✭✭Saipanne


    Are we all dead yet?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,709 ✭✭✭✭Cantona's Collars


    Thrill wrote: »
    Scottish Government Confirms Ebola Diagnosed In Glasgow Patient



    http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-30628349

    Irn Bru & whiskey should kill it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,129 ✭✭✭PucaMama


    Thrill wrote: »
    Scottish Government Confirms Ebola Diagnosed In Glasgow Patient



    http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-30628349

    late xmas present for me :cool: the potential to go global would be fun


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,011 ✭✭✭Tugboats


    Helicopters, bin lorries, Celtic and now Ebola. Poor Glasgow...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,147 ✭✭✭PizzamanIRL


    PucaMama wrote: »
    late xmas present for me :cool: the potential to go global would be fun

    Disturbing.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,428 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    It says she only arrived back in Glasgow from Sierra Leone on Sunday night and has already been diagnosed. She must have pretty much gone straight to hospital then. I wonder what stage she is at and how sick she is to be diagnosed so quickly.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,083 ✭✭✭Iranoutofideas


    PucaMama wrote: »
    late xmas present for me :cool: the potential to go global would be fun

    The fcuk is your major malfunction?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,499 ✭✭✭porsche959


    BREAKING: The British healthworker, with Ebola, is a nurse who worked at the British built Kerrytown Ebola hospital run by Save the Children


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,533 ✭✭✭Donkey Oaty


    NEWS ALERT: Anyone who was on the BA flight from Heathrow to Glasgow that landed at 23.30 is being asked to call the Radio Clyde Newsroom.

    Source: Radio Clyde.

    What possible insight any random passengers can give on the situation other than wild speculation is beyond me.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,070 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    The fcuk is your major malfunction?

    Some people just want to watch the world burn


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,816 ✭✭✭Baggy Trousers


    porsche959 wrote: »
    BREAKING: The British healthworker, with Ebola, is a nurse who worked at the British built Kerrytown Ebola hospital run by Save the Children

    I had forgotten about ebola. I hope she survives. The volunteer health workers going to west Africa are an inspiration.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,296 ✭✭✭Pwindedd


    NEWS ALERT: Anyone who was on the BA flight from Heathrow to Glasgow that landed at 23.30 is being asked to call the Radio Clyde Newsroom.

    Source: Radio Clyde.

    What possible insight any random passengers can give on the situation other than wild speculation is beyond me.

    I would imagine they're being given advice, information and instructions to go to hospital straight away if they get sick


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,428 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    Pwindedd wrote: »
    I would imagine they're being given advice, information and instructions to go to hospital straight away if they get sick


    I'm sure they have an NHS helpline set up for that and if the response in the U.S. is anything to go by, those passengers will be contacted directly. That says call the Radio Clyde newsroom,.They are probably just hoping someone on the plane calls to say the person was wildly vomiting everywhere or something.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 84,278 ✭✭✭✭Atlantic Dawn
    M


    Firstly I hope this healthcare worker makes a full recovery.

    However what kind of idiotic system have they in place to spend hundreds of millions in preventing the disease spreading only to allow healthcare workers who are treating victims of the disease to return to their home countries?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,034 ✭✭✭Ficheall


    However what kind of idiotic system have they in place to spend hundreds of millions in preventing the disease spreading only to allow healthcare workers who are treating victims of the disease to return to their home countries?
    I'm guessing that since she was coming via Morocco, they would have needed her to tell them she'd previously been in Sierra Leone working with Ebola victims?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 594 ✭✭✭carfiosaoorl


    However what kind of idiotic system have they in place to spend hundreds of millions in preventing the disease spreading only to allow healthcare workers who are treating victims of the disease to return to their home countries?


    They can't stop people who are treating victims from returning home, that would be punishing them for trying to help. I'd imagine a lot less would go if they thought they couldn't return then the disease would spread a lot faster


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,767 ✭✭✭SterlingArcher


    They can't stop people who are treating victims from returning home, that would be punishing them for trying to help. I'd imagine a lot less would go if they thought they couldn't return then the disease would spread a lot faster

    Punishing? It's common sense.

    The people threating them could opt to put themselves in a quarantine before flying home and endangering not only themselves but friends and family. You think It's punishment to take every precaution?

    It's stupid reckless behavior from medical professionals. It is not as if this is the first one bringing it back. This has happened a few times now. She should have made it clear where she was coming from and her background.

    Helping people is one thing. Being complacent with other people's lives because of it, is another thing..


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,533 ✭✭✭Donkey Oaty


    However what kind of idiotic system have they in place to spend hundreds of millions in preventing the disease spreading only to allow healthcare workers who are treating victims of the disease to return to their home countries?

    She was screened for symptoms on departure from Africa and also screened on arrival at Heathrow.

    They caught this very, very early - good chance of a full recovery and with the minimum risk to other people.

    To be fair, the UK authorities have handled this very well.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 489 ✭✭Sclosages


    It's a bit pointless going to help people with Ebola if you then bring it back and infect other people. Sort of cancels out the good act.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,533 ✭✭✭Donkey Oaty


    To be fair, the UK authorities have handled this very well.

    Or so I thought - though just listening to one Casablanca/Heathrow passenger's account on Radio 4, the screening at LHR could definitely have been better organised.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 32,865 ✭✭✭✭MagicMarker


    Oh no, a white person has it, now we know it's serious again.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,449 ✭✭✭Call Me Jimmy


    Im sure if it was a black person returning to scotland it would get the same coverage


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 660 ✭✭✭Escapees


    Some points:

    Charity and NGO workers are usually paid. While they may be putting themselves at unnessary risk out of the 'goodness of their hearts', they are also being financially compensated.

    It seems too coincidental that the nurse in question apparently developed symptoms pretty much as soon as she was back, safe and sound, on home soil. Hypothetically, if you were in a third world country with symptoms of Ebola, I think it's fair to suggest that you might be tempted to dismiss them for a day or so in order to first get a flight home, should it turn out to be the virus and you need treatment (better in thr UK I presume).

    If the flights home were pre-booked weeks in advance, I wonder if the nurse in question was just returning for Christmas? If so, and she was due to go back to Sierra Leone shortly, then I really would question whether such 'breaks' should be permitted given the risks involved.

    On the other hand, it could likewise become very interesting if it emerges that the flights home were arranged at the last minute... In any case, there should be an investigation of some sort to establish whether the nurse 'knowingly' put others at risk.

    From my point of view, something doesn't fit with the whole story and the timing of things...


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,428 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    According to the telegraph she was screened at heathrow and passed. After being in the airport for an hour she went back to the screening area complaining of a high temperature. Despite her temp being checked numerous times over the next half hour, nothing abnormal was detected and she was cleared to fly.

    I fail to see how it is her fault that she flew when sick in this case. She informed the relevant people that she felt unwell, either their equipment is not accurate enough or she didn't actually have a fever at the time. I think that given the fact she felt ill and would be considered as having a high risk of exposure to ebola she should have been prevented from flying as a precaution and perhaps transferred to a hospital for proper monitoring.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/scotland/11317882/Ebola-nurse-should-not-have-left-Heathrow-says-chief-medical-officer.html


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 489 ✭✭Sclosages


    ceadaoin. wrote: »
    According to the telegraph she was screened at heathrow and passed. After being in the airport for an hour she went back to the screening area complaining of a high temperature. Despite her temp being checked numerous times over the next half hour, nothing abnormal was detected and she was cleared to fly.

    I fail to see how it is her fault that she flew when sick in this case. She informed the relevant people that she felt unwell, either their equipment is not accurate enough or she didn't actually have a fever at the time. I think that given the fact she felt ill and would be considered as having a high risk of exposure to ebola she should have been prevented from flying as a precaution and perhaps transferred to a hospital for proper monitoring.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/scotland/11317882/Ebola-nurse-should-not-have-left-Heathrow-says-chief-medical-officer.html


    This is the first time that I've heard anything like this but I know when I have a fever. I know because I get pains, aches, sweat, my head swells (well it feels like my eyes are about to pop), but my temp reads normal!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    Sclosages wrote: »
    This is the first time that I've heard anything like this but I know when I have a fever. I know because I get pains, aches, sweat, my head swells (well it feels like my eyes are about to pop), but my temp reads normal!

    That's not necessarily a result of the fever though. The pains and aches you experienced could be due to things that happened during the fever e.g your glands expanding and becoming tender as they fought off an infection. A fever can often be a painless ache free experience.

    The screening at airports is completely pointless anyway.

    The fact the nurse was paranoid about having something would hopefully suggest she was extra paranoid about coming into contact with others. Think there's no too much of a knee jerk reaction with desires in restricting travel. Ebola, as cannot be over emphasised, is not that contagious.

    Wish her a full recovery,


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,428 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    The condition of the Scottish nurse being treated in London has deteriorated and she is now in critical condition. Could be wrong, but I don't remember any of the other cases treated in western hospitals being given that status. I hope she pulls through.


    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jan/03/british-ebola-nurse-condition-critical-hospital-pauline-cafferkey
    The condition of the British nurse diagnosed with Ebola has deteriorated and is now critical, the Royal Free hospital in north London says.

    Pauline Cafferkey, a Scottish public health nurse who had been volunteering in Sierra Leone, was diagnosed with the virus after returning to Glasgow via Casablanca in Morocco.

    A brief statement on the hospital’s website said: “The Royal Free London NHS Foundation Trust is sorry to announce that the condition of Pauline Cafferkey has gradually deteriorated over the past two days and is now critical.”

    It did not comment further, but it is understood that the next 12 to 24 hours will be crucial.

    Cafferkey’s worsening condition comes despite being diagnosed early and receiving treatment from some of the world’s foremost experts in infectious diseases.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,504 ✭✭✭Polo_Mint


    The Poor woman. I thought if they caught it so early you have a good chance of beating it.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,812 ✭✭✭ProfessorPlum


    Escapees wrote: »
    Some points:

    Charity and NGO workers are usually paid. While they may be putting themselves at unnessary risk out of the 'goodness of their hearts', they are also being financially compensated.

    It seems too coincidental that the nurse in question apparently developed symptoms pretty much as soon as she was back, safe and sound, on home soil. Hypothetically, if you were in a third world country with symptoms of Ebola, I think it's fair to suggest that you might be tempted to dismiss them for a day or so in order to first get a flight home, should it turn out to be the virus and you need treatment (better in thr UK I presume).

    If the flights home were pre-booked weeks in advance, I wonder if the nurse in question was just returning for Christmas? If so, and she was due to go back to Sierra Leone shortly, then I really would question whether such 'breaks' should be permitted given the risks involved.

    On the other hand, it could likewise become very interesting if it emerges that the flights home were arranged at the last minute... In any case, there should be an investigation of some sort to establish whether the nurse 'knowingly' put others at risk.

    From my point of view, something doesn't fit with the whole story and the timing of things...


    Ah come on now. Financially compensated? A qualified nurse or doctor could make multiples of what NGO's are paying almost anywhere. Also, many, if not most of these short term emergency relief postings are voluntary, so, no, financially compensated wouldn't be a term I'd use.

    I'm also disappointed that you accuse (albeit in a not so round about way) this woman of knowingly putting others at risk without one shred of evidence.

    I wish her, and all the other volunteers who put them selves in harms way so that the rest of us don't have to, a full recovery.


  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,690 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    Polo_Mint wrote: »
    The Poor woman. I thought if they caught it so early you have a good chance of beating it.

    My thoughts too, I hope she pulls through


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,125 ✭✭✭✭Gael23


    Things are not looking good for the nurse in Scotland,


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,533 ✭✭✭Donkey Oaty


    Good news - statement issued today:
    'The Royal Free Hospital is pleased to announce that Pauline Cafferkey is showing signs of improvement and is no longer critically ill. She remains in isolation as she receives specialist care for the Ebola virus.'


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,698 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    The outbreak appears to be nearly over.

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/01/22/us-health-ebola-who-idUSKBN0KV0Z320150122

    The final death toll will be under 10,000 which is sad but pales in comparison to the yearly figure for malaria in Africa, around 500,000.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 31,117 ✭✭✭✭snubbleste


    Woman may have caught Ebola after having sex with survivor in Liberia
    Tests conducted on the man found no trace of the disease in his blood, but the virus was present in his semen.
    Scientists previously thought Ebola could survive in semen for up to 3 months, but in this instance the disease would have been transmitted more than 5 months later.


  • Posts: 17,378 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Now that it's half past.. The tags are greatl armageddon, blackdeath, catastrophic, curious george, death, doom, panic, quantum presbyterians


  • Site Banned Posts: 2,922 ✭✭✭Egginacup


    Has the US pulled out the 5000 troops it sent there for fuck knows what purpose (maybe the "war on ebola"), or have they quietly set up a command and control centre and are sticking around as "advisers"?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,428 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    Egginacup wrote: »
    Has the US pulled out the 5000 troops it sent there for fuck knows what purpose (maybe the "war on ebola"), or have they quietly set up a command and control centre and are sticking around as "advisers"?

    Well they clearly stated what their purpose was - building treatment centres and training local medics.

    WASHINGTON, Feb. 11, 2015 – Most Defense Department personnel who deployed to West Africa to support the U.S. Agency for International Development and international partners in fighting Ebola at its source already have returned to their home stations, and nearly all will return home over the next two months, Pentagon Press Secretary Navy Rear Adm. John Kirby said last night.
    In a statement, Kirby said DoD will identify 100 personnel who will maintain a continued presence in the region, working to strengthen the disease preparedness and surveillance capacity of the national governments.
    “DoD personnel will build on a strong military partnership with the armed forces of Liberia to enhance their Ebola response efforts and provide disaster response training to the government of Liberia,” the admiral said.
    Life-saving Resources
    Starting in September, the Defense Department has delivered critical life-saving resources, built Ebola treatment units, trained hundreds of local and international health care workers and provided logistical support to humanitarian and public health workers who provided care throughout West Africa.
    At the height of the epidemic, 2,800 DoD personnel were deployed to West Africa. About 1,500 of those personnel have returned home, Kirby said, and nearly all of the rest will be home by April 30. All have or will undergo established controlled monitoring procedures, he noted.
    To support the 10,000 civilian responders who remain on the ground in West Africa, he added, the Defense Department will leave behind assets that can help health workers stem potential future outbreaks.
    Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel is grateful to the men and women of the U.S. military and their families who supported Operation United Assistance, Kirby said. “Their swift response demonstrates the need to maintain readiness, capacity and capabilities to respond to the diverse array of challenges facing the United States and our partners,” he added.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,282 ✭✭✭techdiver


    So, a few months on and the "crisis" had passed. Where are all the doom mongers? I thought we all should be dead by now??

    Can some of them explain what went wrong with their predictions?? :-)

    I'm sure the same people will be eagerly waiting for the next "event", to jump upon and stir up fear....


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