Feminists: Remove WWII Sailor Statue Because It’s ‘Sexual Assault’

the_monkey · 11-10-2014 08:31PM

Shakespeare's Sister wrote: »

Depends on what's being addressed. I think a lot of feminism is ridiculous too and hostile to men, but I wouldn't like a world where ANY concern about women in the western world, no matter how legitimate, were just dismissed as the crackpot side of feminism.
We're still daughters, wives, girlfriends, mothers, sisters, nieces, friends of guys, grandmothers, aunts... there's nothing wrong with concern about when we do experience negativity due to our gender, so I wouldn't agree with eradicating every strand of feminism, but much of it, like this crap, should **** off for sure.

For sure, what I should have said was "I hate extreme feminism "

Irlandczyk · 11-10-2014 08:32PM

ScouseMouse wrote: »

When you look at stupid campaigns like this, you wonder are they all frigid lesbians who are just jealous?

Now you see, this is what I (being a man, even) hate. Scouce's comment above is actually a perfectly normal response when one hears the word 'feminist', and it shouldn't be. As far as my beliefs go, I agree that people should be held as equals regardless of their gender.

Not long ago, I heard the first seemingly normal, down to earth speech in feminism I've ever heard. Emma Watson put in no uncertain terms exactly what the idea of feminism is, with no bull****, and came across as eloquent and free of this kind of loony-bin stuff. It opened a lot of eyes on this issue.

Then not long later, more of this garbage. One step forward and two steps back. So exasperating because I really do agree with the general idea behind 'real' feminism. No wonder we have certain actresses stating in interviews that they're not feminists because they don't 'hate men' or want to put them down.

Buona Fortuna · 11-10-2014 08:34PM

Shakespeare's Sister wrote: »

Prepare too to be called a white knight.

Been called plenty worse

Grayson · 11-10-2014 08:47PM

Buona Fortuna wrote: »

Yes

The absolute tragedy of this, is that this stupid case detracts from absolute deperate cases that there are around the world:

Egypt - women assaulted and worse in Tahir Sq
India - Rapes going largely univestigated
India - Where widows have to leave their homes and go into some quasi religious purdour
Pakistan - Gang rapes ordered by village elders.

Glad I got that off my chest, I'll go and have another glass of wine

They are different. Women here do still have a lot to fight for, but it's completely different to India or Saudi. The worst episode I can think of here is where men lines up to support a rapist. As horrible as that was it's worth noting though that the law was on the woman's side. Women in these third world countries have a far bigger battle that needs more than a lawyer.

Shakespeare's Sister · 11-10-2014 08:49PM

Grayson wrote: »

They are different. Women here do still have a lot to fight for, but it's completely different to India or Saudi. The worst episode I can think of here is where men lines up to support a rapist. As horrible as that was it's worth noting though that the law was on the woman's side. Women in these third world countries have a far bigger battle that needs more than a lawyer.

Yes, it's far better for women in western countries for sure - can't argue with that. And those cases are not just feminist issues, they're human rights ones that anyone would care about, whether feminist or not.

ScouseMouse · 11-10-2014 09:32PM

Irlandczyk wrote: »

Now you see, this is what I (being a man, even) hate. Scouce's comment above is actually a perfectly normal response when one hears the word 'feminist', and it shouldn't be. As far as my beliefs go, I agree that people should be held as equals regardless of their gender.
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Thanks for pointing out its a normal response, but I really do hate stupid extremists and try to avoid them.

Feminists like mentioned by the OP make a mockery of womens rights groups. They talk crap and hurt their "cause".

Muslim extremists are another. I was at a wedding recently between a muslim guy and an irish girl. He was perfectly level headed and had a few pints of guinness on the night. Not at all like you would "expect" from the image portrayed as a muslim guy.

Gay rights and pride rallys? The one in liverpool made me late for a match as they shut down the city centre for a parade and all the taxis and buses were in chaos. Just so they could prance around waving rainbow flags. Have to say though, my gay friend mary took me to superstar boudoir in liverpool and it was a great night. Again, not what I expected.

All to their own, just dont ram it down our throats.

pickarooney · 13-10-2014 01:31PM

Pissed-up navvy grabs nurse and kisses her against her will. I'm sure you'd all have a laugh if she was your wife.

shruikan2553 · 13-10-2014 01:45PM

He should have used the good2go app.

newport2 · 13-10-2014 01:46PM

Grayson wrote: »

They are different. Women here do still have a lot to fight for, but it's completely different to India or Saudi. The worst episode I can think of here is where men lines up to support a rapist. As horrible as that was it's worth noting though that the law was on the woman's side. Women in these third world countries have a far bigger battle that needs more than a lawyer.

Fully agree, and not only was the law on her side, but 99% of the country too. Everyone I know, male or female, was disgusted by it. It was an isolated incident by a number of individuals and is not an accurate reflection of society today, even though it's often held up and depicted to be to back up a point.

Adamantium · 13-10-2014 02:10PM

Irlandczyk wrote: »

Now you see, this is what I (being a man, even) hate. Scouce's comment above is actually a perfectly normal response when one hears the word 'feminist', and it shouldn't be. As far as my beliefs go, I agree that people should be held as equals regardless of their gender.

Not long ago, I heard the first seemingly normal, down to earth speech in feminism I've ever heard. Emma Watson put in no uncertain terms exactly what the idea of feminism is, with no bull****, and came across as eloquent and free of this kind of loony-bin stuff. It opened a lot of eyes on this issue.

Then not long later, more of this garbage. One step forward and two steps back. So exasperating because I really do agree with the general idea behind 'real' feminism. No wonder we have certain actresses stating in interviews that they're not feminists because they don't 'hate men' or want to put them down.

But Emma Watson talked about nothing but men and how they made her feel (bad, dominated), then she spoke how downtrodden and many of said men are quiet. What the hell, that's not logic!

**** sake the hashtag was "HeForShe", when they/her/feminists in general seem want to be nothing but dependent on men to fix women's issues. She practically admits that feminism was bollox all along, except equal rights and responsiblities which all humans deserve to have under the law. Introspection and self awareness is shot to hell.

Fix your own.

jimgoose · 13-10-2014 02:15PM

I agree with Ye Kebab-Munchers on this one. I'd replace the statue with a life-size bronze of a P-47 Thunderbolt on combat power, firing it's .50-cals at another life-sized bronze of a running Angela Merkel.

osarusan · 13-10-2014 02:28PM

TheBeardedLady wrote: »

Oh god. Here we go a bleedin' gain. Pass me the wine!

'Here we go again' in what way?

What's wrong with the thread?

I think it's pointing out an example of how 'feminism' (at least, that's how those behind this idea identify) can have som pretty damn stupid causes.

Causes which deserve to be highlighted for their stupidity.

Sleepy · 13-10-2014 02:34PM

While, of course, these women are nuts, there is a role for feminism in the west: to fight the good fight on behalf of their repressed sisters on Facebook, Twitter and the mainstream media from their ivory towers of academia.

Of course, were we to allow them to dictate our foreign policy, we couldn't actually do a damn thing about the suffering of women in third world countries unless we're prepared to be an occupying force for generations... and of course, we'd need to ensure that the troop deployment was based on a 50:50 gender split before we could begin the invasion.

Of course, this might be problematic because feminists don't seem to be as willing to risk their lives to fight tyranny as the sexist navvy sexually assaulting the poor nurse in this picture was...

Larbre34 · 13-10-2014 02:39PM

Hmm, I suspect another war on the scale of World War II might be needed to put things into perspective for these cohort of people complaining.

Aren't they bloody lucky they live in a society where they are free to be eejits and professional missers of the point. Free because several million guys put their lives on the line to make it so 70 years ago. The sailor in question, and indeed the nurse, would be well justified in using the line from A Few Good Men

"I would rather you just said 'thank you', and went on your way"

Disrespectful, ignorant fools.

osarusan · 13-10-2014 02:47PM

pickarooney wrote: »

Pissed-up navvy grabs nurse and kisses her against her will. I'm sure you'd all have a laugh if she was your wife.

That's his wife behind him in the picture. She, at least, had a laugh about it. And here's what the kissee had to say about it (in a story that turns out to be two years old):

"I can't think of anybody who considered that as an assault," said Friedman, who exchanges Christmas cards with Mendonsa every year and has appeared with him at several reunion events. "It was a happy event."

Buona Fortuna · 13-10-2014 02:51PM

osarusan wrote: »

That's his wife behind him in the picture. She, at least, had a laugh about it. And here's what the kissee had to say about it (in a story that turns out to be two years old):

Christ on a bike - at last a bit of sanity.

/close thread

NegativeCreep · 13-10-2014 03:02PM

Not every kiss has a sexual meaning behind. This was a celebratory kiss. Nothing sexual about it whatsoever.

jillymayr · 13-10-2014 03:04PM

being so PC is overrated

Squeedily Spooch · 13-10-2014 03:08PM

See it's stuff like this that does feminism more harm than good, because people just see the movement as full of tumblr using drama queens going out of their way to get offended about something minor. The woman in the pic has no problem with it, then it's not a problem. Pick your battles indeed.

ALiasEX · 13-10-2014 03:16PM

pickarooney wrote: »

Pissed-up navvy grabs nurse and kisses her against her will. I'm sure you'd all have a laugh if she was your wife.

They would be in hysterics if the sailor then kissed them.

Irlandczyk · 14-10-2014 09:49PM

Squeedily Spooch wrote: »

See it's stuff like this that does feminism more harm than good, because people just see the movement as full of tumblr using drama queens going out of their way to get offended about something minor. The woman in the pic has no problem with it, then it's not a problem. Pick your battles indeed.

My thoughts exactly. Must be very irritating for those sane people who identify as feminist.

Feminists: Remove WWII Sailor Statue Because It’s ‘Sexual Assault’

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