Love/Hate (v2) [ Spoilers ]

FixdePitchmark · 12-10-2014 10:55PM

Are there too many sub plots going on - I feel he could do with getting rid of one next week.

As other have said - this is in can - so the more I think about it - a story inside is a real part of this life that has not been covered.

Anyway - a sub plot has to be knocked - Tommy / Siobhan ?

Witcher · 12-10-2014 10:56PM

Ciaran_B wrote: »

"Bad luck buddy" *Headbutt*

Awesome.

Diving headbutt, Fran could go into the WWE :pac:

12-10-2014 10:56PM

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

Dean will have a bone to pick with Nidge now

Yeah that makes it even more interesting.

timfinnegan · 12-10-2014 10:58PM

Bacchus wrote: »

Fantastic episode.

Only minor complaint would be the big deal that was made of the cop catching Fran in possession with a gun. Seemed like the whole station was out celebrating it. Bit OTT no?

Did you see the number of posed pictures of law enforcement officers, (navy, customs & Gardai) with bales of drugs captured off the coast recently?

I'd say that's exactly what happens when a successful operation comes off. It's the same in any sphere, people celebrate when they pull off a winning performance.

I thought tonight's episode was spellbinding. Great acting, tight script, as good as anything that I've seen on a TV drama.

Kudos to all involved!

IvaBigWun · 12-10-2014 11:01PM

Stiltzkin wrote: »

Read somewhere that Noelie Hughes is in S5, and I assume he was locked up for the failed hit on Fran last season, so it makes sense he will encounter Fran in jail.

A prison story strand would work very well.

"Franno: The Joy Years. Coola Boola"

BMJD · 12-10-2014 11:03PM

Great episode tonight. I hope Patrick is around for a lot longer!

Bacchus · 12-10-2014 11:03PM

timfinnegan wrote: »

Did you see the number of posed pictures of law enforcement officers, (navy, customs & Gardai) with bales of drugs captured off the coast recently?

I'd say that's exactly what happens when a successful operation comes off. It's the same in any sphere, people celebrate when they pull off a winning performance.

I don't really see how seizures of bales of drugs off the coast is relevant to what I was asking. I didn't think catching Fran with a gun was a "big win".

Another poster cleared it up though already that possession of a fire arm is actually a big deal and would realistically put Fran away for a long time so I can see why the celebrations were going on.

Gadgetman496 · 12-10-2014 11:04PM

Liamalone wrote: »

Thanks for the spoiler, and quoting of same

At least the OP had it masked with spoiler tags

The poster that quoted was a bigger ..........

c_man · 12-10-2014 11:05PM

Fran aught to get himself a decent lawyer. Cop opening up twice on dubious enough grounds (add in unoffical overtime my arse), any justice he should be out in a week. Better call Saul.

JP Liz V1 · 12-10-2014 11:05PM

Has Moynihan a drink problem?

RainyDay · 12-10-2014 11:06PM

ProudDUB wrote: »

Ah here, who in the name of God, still uses those Nokia phones from the Stone Age? :eek:

Probably someone who doesn't want to be tracked via GPS or dodgy apps.

michael999999 · 12-10-2014 11:06PM

c_man wrote: »

Fran aught to get himself a decent lawyer. Cop opening up twice on dubious enough grounds (add in unoffical overtime my arse), any justice he should be out in a week. Better call Saul.

The gun will probably disappear from evidence!

timfinnegan · 12-10-2014 11:08PM

Bacchus wrote: »

I don't really see how seizures of bales of drugs off the coast is relevant to what I was asking. I didn't think catching Fran with a gun was a "big win".

Another poster cleared it up though already that possession of a fire arm is actually a big deal and would realistically put Fran away for a long time so I can see why the celebrations were going on.

The bales of drugs was an analogy of how successful op's are celebrated.

BuilderPlumber · 12-10-2014 11:08PM

Stiltzkin wrote: »

Read somewhere that Noelie Hughes is in S5, and I assume he was locked up for the failed hit on Fran last season, so it makes sense he will encounter Fran in jail.

Great episode. So, we are into Nidge v Fran territory.

I'd say Fran and Noelie will meet up in the prison. Perhaps, Nidge knows of him and uses him?

How long will Fran be inside I wonder? How will his relationship with Nidge develop? At present, he has many ways of hurting Nidge: he could cooperate with the gardai and help bring down Nidge (especially telling them about Linda). He can also continue to use the travellers to try and kill Nidge. But I feel that at the very end, Nidge and Fran will have to come together to face some common enemy hence saving both. Or else Fran stays in prison and/or gets garda protection?

I think that Love/Hate without Nidge and Fran would not be the same. I know that at the start, neither was meant to be the main character. It was designed to be about Darren and John Boy mainly. But Nidge and Fran (who was not even in S1) came out as the main characters people liked and from series 3 onwards, it was written to focus on them. So, that's why I think these will be in it as long as the series runs.

Paulie is a good character and I wonder will he feature in just this or will he be in subsequent series as well. I can see him move very quickly from being a friend of sorts to a major nuisance to an outright enemy of Nidge's over the next 4 episodes. A bit like Dano in S3.

Paddy Pipebomb has lasted a lot longer than I thought. I had him written off as early as S4 episode 5 and then saw him survive not only that but episode 6 as well and 2 episodes of S5! He could be a huge threat to Nidge throughout the entire series and this is the most worrying for Nidge as he is very well organised and could team up with other enemies of Nidge like Paulie down the line and obviously Fran already!

IvaBigWun · 12-10-2014 11:08PM

BMJD wrote: »

Great episode tonight. I hope Patrick is around for a lot longer!

Patrick, Franno and I think Brian F. O'Byrne as Mick Moynihan (The Gaffer) are mostly the main reasons Im watching this year.

Brian's acting is very under-stated but very, very good.

FixdePitchmark · 12-10-2014 11:08PM

Bacchus wrote: »

I don't really see how seizures of bales of drugs off the coast is relevant to what I was asking. I didn't think catching Fran with a gun was a "big win".

Another poster cleared it up though already that possession of a fire arm is actually a big deal and would realistically put Fran away for a long time so I can see why the celebrations were going on.

Are you serious - that lad had to pull his gun , had to fire shots , yes these lads are trained , but they only do that 1 day a year maybe.

He said he fancied a pint.

It just shows that they are in a stressful job - catching one of those ****ers with something tangible alone is a big day , they are like a rugby team them lads - they live close to the edge.

Firing shots, for even a lads at that level - when the other lad had a weapon -

is a day you may go "I fancy a pint".

sonofenoch · 12-10-2014 11:08PM

FixdePitchmark wrote: »

A lovely guy (lol )

An ordinary dacent bomb maker...

Witcher · 12-10-2014 11:08PM

IvaBigWun · 12-10-2014 11:14PM

Blay wrote: »

:pac::pac::pac:

Mr. Incognito · 12-10-2014 11:15PM

What an episode.

Brilliant after a slow start last week.

Fran is surely going to cut a deal and get out on bail and the cops will let him go after Nidge.

I can see Paulie orcastrating a hit on nidge at the end of the season and taking over nidges gang probably after saving him by taking out fran

Then next season siobhan is with him and ratting on him at the same time

FixdePitchmark · 12-10-2014 11:17PM

Mr. Incognito wrote: »

What an episode.

Brilliant after a slow start last week.

Fran is surely going to cut a deal and get out on bail and the cops will let him go after Nidge.

I can see Paulie orcastrating a hit on nidge at the end of the season and taking over nidges gang probably after saving him by taking out fran

Then next season siobhan is with him and ratting on him at the same time

Na - this idea that Paulie is the new man is not a runner for me.

Fran - Nidge - then the show is over (imo)

ProudDUB · 12-10-2014 11:18PM

IvaBigWun wrote: »

Patrick, Franno and I think Brian F. O'Byrne as Mick Moynihan (The Gaffer) are mostly the main reasons Im watching this year.

Brian's acting is very under-stated but very, very good.

Is that his name? Coz I all I ever hear whenever they call him by his name, is something that sounds like "Gick" or "Kick".

degrassinoel · 12-10-2014 11:18PM

Aido and Elmo are pretty decent actors, couldnt see Aido running anything, but Elmo is slimey enough for it

BMJD · 12-10-2014 11:18PM

Now that Fran knows about what happened with Linda, does that give Nidge some breathing space to call a truce with Patrick, I wonder? Since Fran was the reason why nidge wanted Patrick out of the way on the first place.

Fran knows enough to take Nidge and Patrick down so it's in both of their interests to shut him up permanently.

BuilderPlumber · 12-10-2014 11:18PM

FixdePitchmark wrote: »

Are there too many sub plots going on - I feel he could do with getting rid of one next week.

As other have said - this is in can - so the more I think about it - a story inside is a real part of this life that has not been covered.

Anyway - a sub plot has to be knocked - Tommy / Siobhan ?

Tommy has not featured at all so far. We only see him lying in the bed for a couple of seconds. Next week, I predict he will die of his injury and Siobhan will feel guilty and suicidal by the looks of things.

I heard a lot of this season will feature prison and court. Obviously, it will involve Fran. But how will Nidge react? Will he attempt a hit on him before he spills his knowledge to the courts? Or will he attempt to undo the wrong and help him get free through the use of Dave? Knowing Nidge, he could choose to go either route. It depends on whether Nidge and Fran's former friendship is strong enough to overcome this.

Fran has come across as a lot of things: edgy, volatile, violent, funny, relaxed and stressed at various points. He also is very genuine and sincere. This is a side to him we have seen in how he helped Nidge and clearly he has deep feelings for Linda. Fran has not had a serious relationship with anyone since (one of two casual girlfriends he had was called Linda as well!) and none in series 4 or 5. Fran is a deep thinker and because he is genuine and sincere, it makes him more dangerous and unhinged because his emotions come to the fore in all he does. Fran was a very loyal friend to Nidge especially with season 3's Git Loughman affair. Now, he feels betrayed 100% by Nidge and this will be very interesting how the two of them will get on for the next 4 episodes.

yipeeeee · 12-10-2014 11:18PM

I reckon this is Frans last series.

Paulie is tiny, with his moon boot runners

IvaBigWun · 12-10-2014 11:21PM

FixdePitchmark wrote: »

Na - this idea that Paulie is the new man is not a runner for me.

Fran - Nidge - then the show is over (imo)

True enough, no one has really come close to them throughout all seasons.

Its a shame

Hughie (played by Brendan Gleeson's son?)

was killed off so early in the show. A really good character and actor.

walshb · 12-10-2014 11:22PM

We seriously meant to believe that Fran and the travellers didn't notice the white van? It was all over the scenes, yet Fran, this criminal, saw nothing. It was so obvious that he'd get nabbed before he went to kill Nidge.

Witcher · 12-10-2014 11:22PM

ProudDUB wrote: »

Is that his name? Coz I all I ever hear whenever they call him by his name, is something that sounds like "Gick" or "Kick".

Cig, Cigire = Inspector

Mr. Incognito · 12-10-2014 11:22PM

Its amazing to see the arcs, john boy killed by his closest, nidge will probably be killed by someone he trusts, maybe the young hitman he has.

The only person with the connections and the position to off him is paulie

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