210lbs 6'2 progress (pics)

duffyshuffle · 07-10-2014 03:19PM

When you're cutting do you have over calorie days on lifting days and under on rest days or under all days?
Do you time carbs around exercise?

Great work

RomanGod · 07-10-2014 03:37PM

duffyshuffle wrote: »

When you're cutting do you have over calorie days on lifting days and under on rest days or under all days?
Do you time carbs around exercise?

Great work

Yeah my carb up day is scheduled when I do back and bis because that's the most taxing workout for me so I makes sense to eat more. Rest days are low days and the other days are moderate to semi low. It follows a pattern definitely so its important to keep the same schedule in terms of workout days so you know what you're eating that day in advance

I eat most of my carbs before and right after advance workout yes, no point eating it all at night before you go to bed. I just have cheese at night and some tuna.

dodderangler · 07-10-2014 05:01PM

cletus van damme wrote: »

protein - 241 * 4 = 964
carbs - 254* 4 = 1016
Fat - 65 * 9 = 585

Total = 2565

you had me going mad how you could fit that many carbs into 2250 when I couldn't - I'm trying to hit that calorie level with a similar protein requirement.

nice pics though.
although you must have super genes to emerge from jimmy chungs unscathed.

I step out if jimmy chungs an I'm on the jax have the night

kevpants · 07-10-2014 05:55PM

This thread is a nice mix of

Nice muscles fancy boy, I know a guy with muscles and he's probably a nerd really. I was popular in school but not now so you need to play a sport or I'll make you and it's all for show anyway. Flowers. I'm adrift.

and

I need you to tell me exactly how many grams of carbs you consumed between 18:05 on the 16th of August and midnight last night. Also can you please send me some of your blood so I can isolate the genes responsible for SICK GAINZZZ and rub them all over my face.

OP I have no strong feelings either way about you. Keep up the good work, if you want. I'm fine with it if you don't want to. But you probably should.

boardie100 · 09-10-2014 03:25PM

just reading this thread now, fair play op...some serious discipline over a long period...
Im only getting in weights now and im a lot older than you... have to say im enjoying it and im trying to gradually eat better...

Couple of questions for a complete green horn, what is carb cycling?.... and what do you mean by cutting?.. is this trying to lose weight?

Alf Veedersane · 09-10-2014 03:50PM

boardie100 wrote: »

Couple of questions for a complete green horn, what is carb cycling?.... and what do you mean by cutting?.. is this trying to lose weight?

Carb cycling is just tailoring your carb intake to fit your workout level. On a very basic level, carbs would be higher on workout days and lower on rest days.

Cutting is just trying to shave off the bodyfat while maintaining muscle insofar as is possible.

RomanGod · 09-10-2014 07:19PM

You could try keto as well but it requires a lot of discipline. I think it's a 35g carb threshold you can't go over if you want to stay in ketosis where you burn fat. It would get you to where you want to be quicker than carb cycling but again it's very hard to adhere to.

Desmonddoyle · 10-10-2014 02:04PM

I'm amazed that someone would post pictures of themselves taking a picture of themselves posing in their pants onto the Internet. You do know that this thread will be passed around offices, colleges or where ever anyone knows you, and will be on the internet until you die.

Maybe that's the point and you want everyone looking at it and talking about it because your so proud of how you look. Beyond me I'm afraid - why do you need affirmation from anonymous clowns on the internet.

On a broader point - what have we become as a society ? What passes as bettering yourself or achieving something these days is beyond me. Someone dedicates three years of their life to make their perfectly fine body look aesthetically different. Is it just me, or does that seem like a ridiculous waste of energy and time. All over the world we have people spending 20 hours a week training for marathons/walking up a hill/ climbing up a hill/ running two marathons/ running a marathon then cycling a marathon, and so on... all for charities (not for themselves, not at all, no way). What if that time and energy was put towards helping people, the community, doing something that actually matters. It's quite easy to stay healthy by eating properly and walking/cycling/running to places in the course of your day.

Half the world is starving, the other half are consuming ridiculous amounts of calories to get bigger because some guy on the net done it, and he got compliments, and he's great, and I want to be that soldier. Why do we applaud people for spending hours in a gym wasting their time to look as good as some guy on the cover of a stupid muscle magazine.

If you compare yourself to someone else, you can never be happy, because the competition never stops.
We all die, no matter how hot you look, and for most of us our only legacy is how we affected the people we came across, and not how well we looked in our pants at a certain point in our lives.
I could go on, but I won't

endacl · 10-10-2014 02:07PM

Desmonddoyle wrote: »

I'm amazed that someone would post pictures of themselves taking a picture of themselves posing in their pants onto the Internet. You do know that this thread will be passed around offices, colleges or where ever anyone knows you, and will be on the internet until you die.

Maybe that's the point and you want everyone looking at it and talking about it because your so proud of how you look. Beyond me I'm afraid - why do you need affirmation from anonymous clowns on the internet.

On a broader point - what have we become as a society ? What passes as bettering yourself or achieving something these days is beyond me. Someone dedicates three years of their life to make their perfectly fine body look aesthetically different. Is it just me, or does that seem like a ridiculous waste of energy and time. All over the world we have people spending 20 hours a week training for marathons/walking up a hill/ climbing up a hill/ running two marathons/ running a marathon then cycling a marathon, and so on... all for charities (not for themselves, not at all, no way). What if that time and energy was put towards helping people, the community, doing something that actually matters. It's quite easy to stay healthy by eating properly and walking/cycling/running to places in the course of your day.

Half the world is starving, the other half are consuming ridiculous amounts of calories to get bigger because some guy on the net done it, and he got compliments, and he's great, and I want to be that soldier. Why do we applaud people for spending hours in a gym wasting their time to look as good as some guy on the cover of a stupid muscle magazine.

If you compare yourself to someone else, you can never be happy, because the competition never stops.
We all die, no matter how hot you look, and for most of us our only legacy is how we affected the people we came across, and not how well we looked in our pants at a certain point in our lives.
I could go on, but I won't

Sorry. I have to.....

Do you even lift, bro! :pac:

Hanley · 10-10-2014 02:15PM

Desmonddoyle wrote: »

I'm amazed that someone would post pictures of themselves taking a picture of themselves posing in their pants onto the Internet. You do know that this thread will be passed around offices, colleges or where ever anyone knows you, and will be on the internet until you die.

Maybe not everyone is as judgemental as you...?

Maybe that's the point and you want everyone looking at it and talking about it because your so proud of how you look. Beyond me I'm afraid - why do you need affirmation from anonymous clowns on the internet.

NEWSFLASH: man on fitness forum posts picture of him following his passion. What a loser.

On a broader point - what have we become as a society ? What passes as bettering yourself or achieving something these days is beyond me. Someone dedicates three years of their life to make their perfectly fine body look aesthetically different. Is it just me, or does that seem like a ridiculous waste of energy and time. All over the world we have people spending 20 hours a week training for marathons/walking up a hill/ climbing up a hill/ running two marathons/ running a marathon then cycling a marathon, and so on... all for charities (not for themselves, not at all, no way). What if that time and energy was put towards helping people, the community, doing something that actually matters. It's quite easy to stay healthy by eating properly and walking/cycling/running to places in the course of your day.

What if you spent the time it took to post that self indulgent block of text actually helping people tho? Imagine doing something that actually matters. It would be great.

Half the world is starving, the other half are consuming ridiculous amounts of calories to get bigger because some guy on the net done it, and he got compliments, and he's great, and I want to be that soldier. Why do we applaud people for spending hours in a gym wasting their time to look as good as some guy on the cover of a stupid muscle magazine.

You sound very bitter. What's up?

If you compare yourself to someone else, you can never be happy, because the competition never stops.

Only if that's your only source of happiness. If there's other factors, it ain't a big deal.

We all die, no matter how hot you look, and for most of us our only legacy is how we affected the people we came across, and not how well we looked in our pants at a certain point in our lives.
I could go on, but I won't

Why are you assuming the dudes only positive contribution to the world is how he looks? That's very narrow minded of you.

cletus van damme · 10-10-2014 02:15PM

Desmonddoyle wrote: »

I could go on, but I won't

Ah don't stop there....go on

conzy · 10-10-2014 02:17PM

Desmonddoyle wrote: »

I'm amazed that someone would post pictures of themselves taking a picture of themselves posing in their pants onto the Internet. You do know that this thread will be passed around offices, colleges or where ever anyone knows you, and will be on the internet until you die.

Maybe that's the point and you want everyone looking at it and talking about it because your so proud of how you look. Beyond me I'm afraid - why do you need affirmation from anonymous clowns on the internet.

On a broader point - what have we become as a society ? What passes as bettering yourself or achieving something these days is beyond me. Someone dedicates three years of their life to make their perfectly fine body look aesthetically different. Is it just me, or does that seem like a ridiculous waste of energy and time. All over the world we have people spending 20 hours a week training for marathons/walking up a hill/ climbing up a hill/ running two marathons/ running a marathon then cycling a marathon, and so on... all for charities (not for themselves, not at all, no way). What if that time and energy was put towards helping people, the community, doing something that actually matters. It's quite easy to stay healthy by eating properly and walking/cycling/running to places in the course of your day.

Half the world is starving, the other half are consuming ridiculous amounts of calories to get bigger because some guy on the net done it, and he got compliments, and he's great, and I want to be that soldier. Why do we applaud people for spending hours in a gym wasting their time to look as good as some guy on the cover of a stupid muscle magazine.

If you compare yourself to someone else, you can never be happy, because the competition never stops.
We all die, no matter how hot you look, and for most of us our only legacy is how we affected the people we came across, and not how well we looked in our pants at a certain point in our lives.
I could go on, but I won't

ridiculous argument is ridiculous.. All those people "wasting" time playing GAA for their local club, learning an instrument, playing online games, watching coronation street, maintaining their car, collecting stamps.

How can you judge how one passtime / activity is more noble or worthwhile than another?

endacl · 10-10-2014 02:19PM

conzy wrote: »

How can you judge how one passtime / activity is more noble or worthwhile than another?

Easy. The stuff I'm interested in is more noble and worthwhile than the stuff I'm not interested in/other people are interested in.

Did you not get the memo?

allym · 10-10-2014 02:20PM

endacl wrote: »

Sorry. I have to.....

Do you even lift, bro! :pac:

My thoughts exactly! Don't knock it til you've tried it

Alf Veedersane · 10-10-2014 02:26PM

Desmonddoyle wrote: »

Someone dedicates three years of their life to make their perfectly fine body look aesthetically different. Is it just me, or does that seem like a ridiculous waste of energy and time. All over the world we have people spending 20 hours a week training for marathons/walking up a hill/ climbing up a hill/ running two marathons/ running a marathon then cycling a marathon, and so on... all for charities (not for themselves, not at all, no way). What if that time and energy was put towards helping people, the community, doing something that actually matters. It's quite easy to stay healthy by eating properly and walking/cycling/running to places in the course of your day.

Do you set aside the minimum amount you need to survive relatively comfortable and donate the rest to charity?

And what is the problem with someone endoing a marathon/any physical pursuit that benefitrs a charity? Is the money that is raised and donated invalidated because it was a physical pursuit and the person got something out of it?

I could go on, but I won't.

caolfx · 10-10-2014 02:27PM

Desmonddoyle wrote: »

I'm amazed that someone would post pictures of themselves taking a picture of themselves posing in their pants onto the Internet. You do know that this thread will be passed around offices, colleges or where ever anyone knows you, and will be on the internet until you die.

Maybe that's the point and you want everyone looking at it and talking about it because your so proud of how you look. Beyond me I'm afraid - why do you need affirmation from anonymous clowns on the internet.

On a broader point - what have we become as a society ? What passes as bettering yourself or achieving something these days is beyond me. Someone dedicates three years of their life to make their perfectly fine body look aesthetically different. Is it just me, or does that seem like a ridiculous waste of energy and time. All over the world we have people spending 20 hours a week training for marathons/walking up a hill/ climbing up a hill/ running two marathons/ running a marathon then cycling a marathon, and so on... all for charities (not for themselves, not at all, no way). What if that time and energy was put towards helping people, the community, doing something that actually matters. It's quite easy to stay healthy by eating properly and walking/cycling/running to places in the course of your day.

Half the world is starving, the other half are consuming ridiculous amounts of calories to get bigger because some guy on the net done it, and he got compliments, and he's great, and I want to be that soldier. Why do we applaud people for spending hours in a gym wasting their time to look as good as some guy on the cover of a stupid muscle magazine.

If you compare yourself to someone else, you can never be happy, because the competition never stops.
We all die, no matter how hot you look, and for most of us our only legacy is how we affected the people we came across, and not how well we looked in our pants at a certain point in our lives.
I could go on, but I won't

1.) You've not read Socrates:

“No man has the right to be an amateur in the matter of physical training. It is a shame for a man to grow old without seeing the beauty and strength of which his body is capable.”

2.) You can build a decent body and help people at the same time. It's shocking, isn't it?

3.) You can build a decent body and leave a lasting impression and inspire people around it. Again, this was unfathomable to me at one point. :rolleyes:

4.) You come across and very sad and bitter and I feel sorry for you.

Life is a gift. Your body is a gift (for those fortunate). Nothing wrong with improving it.

Imagine you had to fight for your life or run for it? Could you do it? I couldn't, but as the days and weeks go on, I'm more confident I can.

endacl · 10-10-2014 02:29PM

Oh. Welcome to Boards Des, by the way. I hope your posts from #2 on are more considered and forum appropriate than your first!

Ah well. The only way is up, I suppose....

jugger0 · 10-10-2014 02:39PM

Desmonddoyle wrote: »

On a broader point - what have we become as a society ? What passes as bettering yourself or achieving something these days is beyond me. Someone dedicates three years of their life to make their perfectly fine body look aesthetically different. Is it just me, or does that seem like a ridiculous waste of energy and time. All over the world we have people spending 20 hours a week training for marathons/walking up a hill/ climbing up a hill/ running two marathons/ running a marathon then cycling a marathon, and so on... all for charities (not for themselves, not at all, no way). What if that time and energy was put towards helping people, the community, doing something that actually matters. It's quite easy to stay healthy by eating properly and walking/cycling/running to places in the course of your day.

You typing this short story was a waste of time, why are you on the internet when you can be reading to the blind? why do you have a computer when you could sell it and buy Africans a goat?

You only get one life, then your dead and nothing you ever achieved will matter because your dead... best enjoy yourself mate.

Desmonddoyle · 10-10-2014 02:55PM

Wow - I won't respond to each of you guys individually. I'll allow you to have a bit of fun quoting me and 'compete' for the biggest laugh.

A predictable response from the herd. Attack, attack - he is trying to shatter our world that's built on being dedicated to pointless, relative, aesthetic beauty. It's our 'support' of each other that vindicates us - we must club together on this and reach for our pitchforks.

I suppose I was a bit silly to expect anyone to just read it, maybe think about it, and maybe think that there is more to life than 'reaching' futile personal goals that are predicated on peer pressure and marketing hype.

Alf Veedersane · 10-10-2014 02:58PM

Not everyone is dedicated to aesthetic beauty.

Being stronger and healthier, perhaps.

But feel free to educate the herd with your endless dedication to the greater good of mankind so that we may be warmed by the glow of your selflessness.

btkm8unsl0w5r4 · 10-10-2014 02:59PM

[sarcasm]"To devalue the efforts and pride of others towards physical self improvement, in order to put forward the impression you are more interested in the nobel pursiuts of the mind and altrusim"

Interesting play sir.....the fact this chap has said he works two jobs, has children, has a college education, and answers questions politely, patiently is best left out of the matter, as it would work against your thesis. The meat heads on this forum will never be able to keep up with your eloquent prose, and its is likely that your diatribe will be lost between their cauliflowered muscular ears. Preach on sir, your social commentry is givin my brains mad gainz.[/sarcasm]

endacl · 10-10-2014 03:05PM

Vincenzo Swift Men wrote: »

[sarcasm]"To devalue the efforts and pride of others towards physical self improvement, in order to put forward the impression you are more interested in the nobel pursiuts of the mind and altrusim"

Interesting play sir.....the fact this chap has said he works two jobs, has children, has a college education, and answers questions politely, patiently is best left out of the matter, as it would work against your thesis. The meat heads on this forum will never be able to keep up with your eloquent prose, and its is likely that your diatribe will be lost between their cauliflowered muscular ears. Preach on sir, your social commentry is givin my brains mad gainz.[/sarcasm]

U spelt brainz rong dood.

:mad:

Hanley · 10-10-2014 03:19PM

Desmonddoyle wrote: »

Wow - I won't respond to each of you guys individually. I'll allow you to have a bit of fun quoting me and 'compete' for the biggest laugh.

Thanks!!

A predictable response from the herd. Attack, attack - he is trying to shatter our world that's built on being dedicated to pointless, relative, aesthetic beauty. It's our 'support' of each other that vindicates us - we must club together on this and reach for our pitchforks.

True that. You outsiders aren't welcome. Gotta have 14 inch biceps to play in our club.

I suppose I was a bit silly to expect anyone to just read it, maybe think about it, and maybe think that there is more to life than 'reaching' futile personal goals that are predicated on peer pressure and marketing hype.

Damn straight. I'd a personal goal of going to work and helping some people out later but I think I'll just stop being so selfish and post online about how much everyone sucks instead.

Blacktie. · 10-10-2014 03:38PM

Desmonddoyle wrote: »

Wow - I won't respond to each of you guys individually. I'll allow you to have a bit of fun quoting me and 'compete' for the biggest laugh.

A predictable response from the herd. Attack, attack - he is trying to shatter our world that's built on being dedicated to pointless, relative, aesthetic beauty. It's our 'support' of each other that vindicates us - we must club together on this and reach for our pitchforks.

I suppose I was a bit silly to expect anyone to just read it, maybe think about it, and maybe think that there is more to life than 'reaching' futile personal goals that are predicated on peer pressure and marketing hype.

I'm calling troll!

Desmonddoyle · 10-10-2014 04:03PM

Vincenzo Swift Men wrote: »

[sarcasm]"To devalue the efforts and pride of others towards physical self improvement, in order to put forward the impression you are more interested in the nobel pursiuts of the mind and altrusim"

Interesting play sir.....the fact this chap has said he works two jobs, has children, has a college education, and answers questions politely, patiently is best left out of the matter, as it would work against your thesis. The meat heads on this forum will never be able to keep up with your eloquent prose, and its is likely that your diatribe will be lost between their cauliflowered muscular ears. Preach on sir, your social commentry is givin my brains mad gainz.[/sarcasm]

I think your missing the point - all ya'all are missing the point.
Personally, I'd say spending more time with my kids would be far more valuable that trying to juggle so many competing pressures on your time. My point was more general, and not aimed at the op, whoever he is.
I just think as a society we spend so much time conforming to social pressures to look a certain way, have certain things, be this, be that, go there, tick that box. The whole narrative is one of fear - don't be left behind, don't let him be better than you, have more than you. You need to compete, to keep up. Everything today is a competition - education, physical appearance, possessions, travel, the housing ladder, growing a beard. It's a race that you can't win. Moderation doesn't exist anymore, everyone is looking for perfection in everything we do, and will spend money to get it.

I'm all for being healthy, having a hobby, looking good, all those good things etc, but I think we have different ideas on what is considered bettering yourself. Do you think its a coincidence that so many people are suffering from mental healthy issues, body image issues, suicide, anxiety etc in modern life at a time when we are being inundated with ideals of perfection in every facet of our life - money, job, house. There is even pressure for a woman to get back in shape a week after having a baby now, two days, Gwen Stefani done it in one. "fair play to Gwen, she's great - wish I could do that".

I've no idea why everyone is being so defensive and aggressive anyway - I was just expressing some thoughts I had reading a thread, which I considered to be representative of a number of things I see affecting society in general at the moment. This IS a 'discussion' board - or at least I thought it was. Fair enough if you don't agree, but playing to the gallery and throwing the witch on the fire is a bit childish.
Feel free to pick apart this post if it makes you feel better, but your time could be spent better elsewhere :-)

Alf Veedersane · 10-10-2014 04:07PM

You don't compete against others.

You compete with yourself in order to improve yourself.

To make yourself stronger and healthier.

I don't see why self-improvement is such a bad thing.

For a lot of people it isn't about aesthetics. It's not about lifting more than others or being better than others. Other people don't really come into it.

So no, it's not about keeping up with the Joneseses.

endacl · 10-10-2014 04:15PM

Did you read the thread at all Des? Your comments don't read as if you did.

Desmonddoyle · 10-10-2014 04:22PM

endacl wrote: »

Did you read the thread at all Des? Your comments don't read as if you did.

I did yes. I said I did in my post too - maybe your the one who hasn't read the whole thread. Thanks for moving the discussion forward.

Desmonddoyle · 10-10-2014 04:36PM

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

You don't compete against others.

You compete with yourself in order to improve yourself.

To make yourself stronger and healthier.

I don't see why self-improvement is such a bad thing.

For a lot of people it isn't about aesthetics. It's not about lifting more than others or being better than others. Other people don't really come into it.

So no, it's not about keeping up with the Joneseses.

That may well be the case, and thanks for actually addressing a point I made.
I think a persons view of self can be framed largely by so many external forces though, that a lot of the time people are peddling to social pressure vicariously. I'm not sure I even know what improving yourself for yourself means if I'm being perfectly honest. It's the line trotted out when people get plastic surgery. I'm doing it for myself, to make myself feel better, not for anyone else. It amounts to the same thing - a woman getting a boob job for herself to make herself feel better, is really doing it because she has spent a lifetime feeling inadequate due to social pressure.
Threads like this add to people feeling insecure in my opinion, as can be seen by everyone wanting to know the secret sauce he's eating. It 'MOTIVATES' me I hear you cry - like its a good thing.

LuckyLloyd · 10-10-2014 04:45PM

We'll have a finite time on the planet. Within that relatively brief period we'll have an even smaller subset within which we can be very physically able. Then within that a tiny window within which we can be physically great.

The OP's achievement is significant because only a tiny minority of the population will ever max out what they're physically capable of. I never did and it's too late to do it now. He has every right to be proud of what he's done and come on here to talk about it imo. Judging from the reactions, it might provide a little extra motivation or inspiration for a few. No harm there.

I think there is some merit to your point though. Certainly far too many people float through life and never really try in any sphere. But you're definitely misdirecting your ire in this case. You're preaching at a young man who has demonstrated the ability to work really hard and apply a tremendous amount of discipline to achieve something many people would like to have. And to top it off he seems to be polite and be handling commitments away from the gym. I don't think that type of character is your enemy imo.

The people who would love to look like him (or something approaching it) but never get started on trying are your enemy. People who never have tried particularly hard in school, work, life are your enemy. And I'm guessing you wouldn't be a fan of people who come onto message boards spitting fire about politics and society's ills yet never get off their backside to do something about it either...

210lbs 6'2 progress (pics)

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