Dark/ Black Lager

Mr Rubicon Conundrum · 09-10-2014 11:11am #1

Does anyone know where I can get some Black/ Dark beer. Note, I exclude the Guinness Black Lager from this as it is pure p*ss

. The products I am aware of are:

Kozel Dark - Czech beer, I last saw it in Lidl in Cambrils, Spain & previously in Prague. For me, its a lovely beer.

Budweiser Budvar Dark: This is beautiful, last seen in Nutgrove off license but they said the importer no longer imports it (I think I was the only customer for it)

Negra Modello - Mexican dark beer, got it in Spar recently, nice but not like the previous 2.

I'm not mad about Dunkels, these are different beers.

So can anyone recommend other dark beers or know where I can purchase the above in Dublin?

BeerNut · 09-10-2014 11:17am

Poor old Budvar Dark. Sadly missed.

The likes of Pifko and The Czech Inn usually have Kozel Dark on draught.

I've seen Krušovice Dark in SuperValu recently -- it's pretty decent. Probably my favourite dark lager is BrewDog's Zeitgeist but availability is spotty. Decent offies like Redmond's or Deveney's would be the places in south Dublin to try on spec.

oblivious · 09-10-2014 12:17pm

Weltenburger Kloster Barock Dunkel and Augustiner Bräu Dunkel (Munich Dunkels) are usual available from good beer off-licences

GLaDOS · 09-10-2014 12:23pm

Krombacher Dark is decent, I picked it up in the Comet Off-licence in Santry ages ago, but don't think I've seen it since.

Was quite fond of Köstritzer when I was in Berlin, have never seen it in Ireland though.

BeerNut · 09-10-2014 12:29pm

ScienceNerd wrote: »

Was quite fond of Köstritzer when I was in Berlin, have never seen it in Ireland though.

It's been around. Lidl had it for a while. Haven't seen it in ages though.

irish_goat · 09-10-2014 1:46pm

Does Porterhouse Vienna still get made?

oblivious · 09-10-2014 1:55pm

irish_goat wrote: »

Does Porterhouse Vienna still get made?

Its was on last year, there Oktoberfest starts today I believe maybe we will find out

Mr Rubicon Conundrum · 09-10-2014 1:57pm

Thanks for the replies. Ive tried most off licenses, but the guys working there just normally say 'never heard of it' or 'Erdinger Dunkel'!

Must keep an eye out for the Krušovice Dark & Köstritzer.

irish_goat · 09-10-2014 2:18pm

oblivious wrote: »

Its was on last year, there Oktoberfest starts today I believe maybe we will find out

Seems like they've gone for a Kolsch this year.

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RasTa · 09-10-2014 2:24pm

This used to be my favorite before I discovered hops(west coast style)

My old local still gets bottles in from time to time, 5 for €10 although think it was 4 last time I checked

the beer revolu · 09-10-2014 2:57pm

RasTa wrote: »

This used to be my favorite before I discovered hops(west coast style)

My old local still gets bottles in from time to time, 5 for €10 although think it was 4 last time I checked

That's a weissbier, not a dark lager.

donaghs · 09-10-2014 2:59pm

I've seen Krušovice Dark in some Tescos. Tesco Merrion were doing it for around the €2 mark a while back.

Köstritzer Schwarzbier turns up in places occasionally. I know Whelans on Wexford St had it last week. But if you pop into Whelans or good offie's like Redmonds, McHughs or Deveney's you're bound to find some class of dark lagers.

RasTa · 09-10-2014 3:01pm

the beer revolu wrote: »

That's a weissbier, not a dark lager.

It's a dunkel....

the beer revolu · 09-10-2014 3:55pm

RasTa wrote: »

It's a dunkel....

Yes it is.
But it'snot a dark / black lager.

murphyebass · 09-10-2014 3:59pm

Some of the Black IPA's are lovely too. I know I know not a dark larger. I'm just saying is all.

RasTa · 09-10-2014 4:12pm

the beer revolu wrote: »

Yes it is.
But it'snot a dark / black lager.

he did say dark beers..

irish_goat · 09-10-2014 4:13pm

RasTa wrote: »

he did say dark beers..

He also said he's not mad about dunkels. :P

RasTa · 09-10-2014 4:17pm

irish_goat wrote: »

He also said he's not mad about dunkels. :P

that one wil change his mind(que him already tasting and hating it)

oblivious · 09-10-2014 4:37pm

irish_goat wrote: »

He also said he's not mad about dunkels. :P

Maybe the poster is confusing weisse dunkel with a Munich dunkel and other dark lagers?

rubadub · 09-10-2014 4:57pm

Mr Rubicon Conundrum wrote: »

Budweiser Budvar Dark: This is beautiful, last seen in Nutgrove off license but they said the importer no longer imports it (I think I was the only customer for it)

I think posters here have used this site before.

http://www.beersofeurope.co.uk/budweiser-budvar-dark

not sure about how the duty works, i.e. don't blame me if you are stung.

Excise is not exempt within the EU, I think some places do it all above board and charge irish duty. I think others just hope it slips through.

I notice that site does homebrew kits too, not sure if they always did.

Mr Rubicon Conundrum · 09-10-2014 5:04pm

oblivious wrote: »

Maybe the poster is confusing weisse dunkel with a Munich dunkel and other dark lagers?

Possibly am, I dont like the Weisse Dunkel but do like dark/ black lagers and I think these are similar to Schwarzbier, Munich Dunkel & Vienna style beers. I might be wrong

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"Some of the Black IPA's are lovely too. I know I know not a dark larger. I'm just saying is all."

I do like IPA's but have never come across a Black IPA, can you recommend one?

BeerNut · 09-10-2014 5:05pm

Thornbridge Wild Raven is an excellent one.

donaghs · 09-10-2014 7:32pm

Kinsale Black IPA is great stuff, in many places now. Best value if you can get it in Dunnes.

lk67 · 09-10-2014 9:18pm

Now that the floodgates have opened...

What about porters? For example Baltika porter is excellent value and quality.

Ronan|Raven · 09-10-2014 10:00pm

http://www.beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/2055/64327/

Bernard Dark.. Sadly even with it becoming more available in England I have never seen it available here.

donaghs · 09-10-2014 10:00pm

lk67 wrote: »

Now that the floodgates have opened...

What about porters? For example Baltika porter is excellent value and quality.

OP asked about black lagers and back IPAs. Just saying...

lk67 · 09-10-2014 10:07pm

donaghs wrote: »

OP asked about black lagers and back IPAs. Just saying...

Nope.

Someone suggested black IPAs and OP had an interest.

Hence the floodgate statement and porter suggestion.

ben.schlomo · 09-10-2014 11:57pm

Kostritzer and Krombacher are my favourites, not a fan of Krusovice at all.

oblivious · 10-10-2014 7:28am

lk67 wrote: »

Now that the floodgates have opened...

What about porters? For example Baltika porter is excellent value and quality.

Baltika 9 , is that still around?

lk67 · 10-10-2014 7:48am

oblivious wrote: »

Baltika 9 , is that still around?

My local Carry Out stock it. Presume they all have access to it?

Edit: Think porter is the 6 though.

oblivious · 10-10-2014 8:59am

lk67 wrote: »

My local Carry Out stock it. Presume they all have access to it?

Edit: Think porter is the 6 though.

Yes 6 sorry, they should. its a great baltic porter

lk67 · 10-10-2014 9:49am

oblivious wrote: »

Yes 6 sorry, they should. its a great baltic porter

Had to double check it myself!

Great beer and great value. (Although it recently went from €1.99 to €2.10! The cheek...)

Perhaps the OP might segue towards porters?

BeerNut · 10-10-2014 10:04am

Good news! Baltika 6 is a dark lager! :cool:

Mr Rubicon Conundrum · 10-10-2014 10:08am

Yeah, dont get me wrong, I do like most beers, stouts, ales, etc; I am just specifically looking to findmore Dark/ Black lagers.

I've had some of those Baltika Beers before, i think it was very dark Ruby red in colour which was quite nice.

Lovely Bloke · 10-10-2014 10:20am

Look out for Monteith's Black - a very good example of the style imo, and at one time was my favourite beer.

I've definitely bought it in McHugh's in the last 18 months or so.

Unsure if they still have it.

Monteith's was a small indie brewery in New Zealand ten years ago when I was there, but has been bought up by a big boy recently enough afaik.

drumswan · 10-10-2014 10:23am

Baldy Conscience wrote: »

Monteith's was a small indie brewery in New Zealand ten years ago when I was there, but has been bought up by a big boy recently enough afaik.

Redmonds carries some of their 'Brewers Series' beers if you are ever over that direction

lk67 · 10-10-2014 10:41am

BeerNut wrote: »

Good news! Baltika 6 is a dark lager! :cool:

So porter my name only? The sneaky snakes...

Another 'proper' one for the list so!

drumswan · 10-10-2014 10:48am

I dont think Baltika 6 is lagered?

http://www.carlsberggroup.com/brands/Pages/Baltikano6.aspx
http://www.ratebeer.com/beer/baltika-6-porter/6110/
http://www.beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/401/4694/

Lovely Bloke · 10-10-2014 10:49am

drumswan wrote: »

Redmonds carries some of their 'Brewers Series' beers if you are ever over that direction

southside? I doubt it

lk67 · 10-10-2014 11:46am

drumswan wrote: »

I dont think Baltika 6 is lagered.

I didn't think so either but I don't know the inner workings of Baltika/Carlsberg brewing and marketing departments.

That said I'm going to find a bottle and see if the word porter is on it and in parenthesis!

BeerNut · 10-10-2014 12:06pm

lk67 wrote: »

So porter my name only?

Specifically a Baltic Porter, which are normally cold-fermented.

drumswan · 10-10-2014 12:10pm

BeerNut wrote: »

Specifically a Baltic Porter, which are normally cold-fermented.

That I did not know. Every days a schoolday.

BeerNut · 10-10-2014 12:21pm

drumswan wrote: »

That I did not know. Every days a schoolday.

But ignore the bit in that link about Baltic Porter being brewed extra strong to survive at sea. It's as untrue for Baltic Porter as it is for Imperial Stout and India Pale Ale. A few of the sites I've looked at also conflate Baltic Porter and Imperial Porter, which just seems wrong to me. Baltic Porter is an historic style whereas Imperial Porter is something the Americans made up last Wednesday.

drumswan · 10-10-2014 12:26pm

Is there some historicity to the 'Russian Imperial Porter' thing then? Brewed in London for the Czars or somesuch?

Im glad the yanks invented Imperial Porter last Wednesday.

Im glad about lots of things they do!

BeerNut · 10-10-2014 12:35pm

Imperial Russian Stout was brewed by London breweries like Barclay Perkins and Whitbread for export to the Russian aristocracy. It was strong because the Russians liked their beer strong. Funny that. But they wouldn't have called it "Imperial Russian Porter" because a porter at that strength is a stout.

lk67 · 10-10-2014 12:45pm

BeerNut wrote: »

Specifically a Baltic Porter which are normally cold-fermented.

Ya see? Education and a mild scolding all in the one!

Might be one for the OP to try so, as it might gave some of the qualities he seeks?

oblivious · 10-10-2014 12:49pm

drumswan wrote: »

Is there some historicity to the 'Russian Imperial Porter' thing then? Brewed in London for the Czars or somesuch?

Im glad the yanks invented Imperial Porter last Wednesday. Im glad about lots of things they do!

Burton ale was the original export beer/ale to Russia in the time of Queen Ann

The beernut has filled in the stout-porter side,. The lager aspect of Baltic porter come from A. Le Coq who set was a exporter of stout set up on there own in 1912 buy buying the Tivoli lager brewery in modern day Estonia.

babaracus · 15-10-2014 3:14pm

Konig Ludwig Dunkel is a very nice dark lager. Not sure if I have ever seen it here but I spent many an evening drinking it in Germany.

http://www.beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/3900/4617/

Augustiner Dunkel is also not bad and I have seen that in Ireland in McHughs on the Malahide Road who certaily had it for a long time but have not checked recently.

Those are both Munich Dark Lager style and not dunkel weissbiers.

lk67 · 15-10-2014 4:31pm

babaracus wrote: »

Konig Ludwig Dunkel is a very nice dark lager. Not sure if I have ever seen it here ...

Had it in Disneyland Paris a couple of years back. Was my saviour!

Ravelleman · 17-10-2014 3:43pm

babaracus wrote: »

Konig Ludwig Dunkel is a very nice dark lager. Not sure if I have ever seen it here but I spent many an evening drinking it in Germany.

http://www.beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/3900/4617/

Augustiner Dunkel is also not bad and I have seen that in Ireland in McHughs on the Malahide Road who certaily had it for a long time but have not checked recently.

I had both in Munich last weekend. They are indeed nice, though hardly full of flavour. It's an interesting style, perhaps overlooked.

oblivious · 17-10-2014 3:54pm

Ravelleman wrote: »

I had both in Munich last weekend. They are indeed nice, though hardly full of flavour. It's an interesting style, perhaps overlooked.

Paulaner Dunkel (lager) is another nice one

Dark/ Black Lager

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