Cannabis withdrawal worse than heroin

4zn76tysfajdxp · 07-10-2014 07:34PM #1

http://www.irishmirror.ie/news/world-news/cannabis-addictive-causes-mental-health-4393439

Not one for the tabloids myself but I spotted that on Facebook and the headline piqued my interest.

Now I'm no expert but isn't WHO a fairly reputable source? I'm still on the fence about this particular topic but every time it comes up it reminds me of a mate of mine who sank into the doobhole and refuses to climb out.

He was a fairly healthy and normal chap in school, mad into his sports and trying to get into Trinity after the Leaving. But then he fell into the wrong crowd, got arrested a few times for petty crimes (joyriding, carrying weed when he was caught) and ended up dropping out of about three college courses in four years.

Last I heard he doesn't get into legal trouble any more but he's stuck at his parents house all day. Friendless, jobless and prospectless he spends his life puffing away on the mongsticks and posting about conspiracy theories on Facebook. I had to block him after a while.

Then again, one of the lads he hung out with did heroin and now he's dead so I suppose I'd rather get trapped in the pot haze. Still unfortunate though.

I know that's a really extreme example and loads of you are probably healthy, responsible adults who smoke weed non-stop without any ill-effects. But it is easy to forget that it does effect some people negatively and can be the catalyst for ruined potential. Like anything else, really. Still, be careful.

AndonHandon · 07-10-2014 07:37PM

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Nib · 07-10-2014 07:37PM

Heroin can't be that bad. Worked out well for that guy in Trainspotting. He ended up with loads of money and he shagged a 15 year old.

J Mysterio · 07-10-2014 07:39PM

Braylon Nutty Reformer wrote: »

http://www.irishmirror.ie/news/world-news/cannabis-addictive-causes-mental-health-4393439

Not one for the tabloids myself but I spotted that on Facebook and the headline piqued my interest.

Now I'm no expert but isn't WHO a fairly reputable source? I'm still on the fence about this particular topic but every time it comes up it reminds me of a mate of mine who sank into the doobhole and refuses to climb out.

He was a fairly healthy and normal chap in school, mad into his sports and trying to get into Trinity after the Leaving. But then he fell into the wrong crowd, got arrested a few times for petty crimes (joyriding, carrying weed when he was caught) and ended up dropping out of about three college courses in four years.

Last I heard he doesn't get into legal trouble any more but he's stuck at his parents house all day. Friendless, jobless and prospectless he spends his life puffing away on the mongsticks and posting about conspiracy theories on Facebook. I had to block him after a while.

Then again, one of the lads he hung out with did heroin and now he's dead so I suppose I'd rather get trapped in the pot haze. Still unfortunate though.

I know that's a really extreme example and loads of you are probably healthy, responsible adults who smoke weed non-stop without any ill-effects. But it is easy to forget that it does effect some people negatively and can be the catalyst for ruined potential. Like anything else, really. Still, be careful.

WHO's pronouncements have been going badly downhill recently and they are approaching farcical levels with this shìt. Their comments on e-cigs have also been roundly criticised by academics and scientists

stimpson · 07-10-2014 07:39PM

For most people it doesn't seem to be a problem. Most (all) of my mates were stoners growing up and we all have careers and family's now. Apart from the odd or regular spliff we were all law abiding citizens.

Compared to alcohol it does very little harm from what I've seen.

Lapin · 07-10-2014 07:41PM

I'm not havin that.

I saw Trainspotting and yer man Tommy was grand until he started that heroin lark.

The odd joint here and there was no problem and he could tape himself ridin his missus away to his knob's content.

Then he took up the ould heroin and got hooked.

Then got poisoned by a kitten.

Then he died like.

So now for ya.

The kitten is fine though.

karma_ · 07-10-2014 07:41PM

Cannabis has been smoked or consumed by humans for thousands of years.

I think the most addictive thing about a joint is the tobacco.

DLMA23 · 07-10-2014 07:42PM

Thread title is pure hyperbole

DoYouEvenLift · 07-10-2014 07:43PM

I know lots of people, myself included, who have and still smoke occasionally just like most of us will also have an occasional drink and are stilly fully normally functioning students and career people. Have never heard of any of them being addicted or experiencing withdrawals. I honestly think if someone has addictive tendencies and lacks will power then the substance doesn't matter, they'll get addicted or dependent either way. Maybe people with sh!t will power should just stay completely away from anything that inhibits complete self control.

People can lose motivation without drugs, have seen that plenty of times too, so I wouldn't necessarily say that marijuana is to blame for your friends situation.

Lalealynn · 07-10-2014 07:43PM

I witnessed an ex go in and out of both. No the dragon's clutch is more powerful. BS. His limbs spasmed on withdrawal from H. It's why they call it kicking the habit his legs kept kicking.

PAWS can last for weeks or months.

Pain in the back and the legs as his body became more sensitive again. People do weird **** on drugs because their body doesn't feel pain any,ore so they don't worry about getting into fights etc. Part of the way heroin works is to block the body's pain pathways..When you withdraw from heroin, there is a rebound effect. Morphine is a relative of heroin. Vomit stomach pain etc.

I have NEVER AND WILL NEVER do drugs. Yes withdrawal from cannabis is bad too. I don't know many weed addicts. But I don't think you can compare them at all. Still would never do weed though.

For anyone out there doing it. HUGS xxx never give up giving up! You got this.

JJJJNR · 07-10-2014 07:43PM

Smoked bongs solid for a whole weekend and then ran a marathon in Amsterdam. I'm asthmatic and never had any issues with breathing for the entire day in fact my lungs were completely clear much clearer than if I had of taken my inhalers.. completed the race very happy. Left and haven't smoked it since not even a little bit of a want. It's lovely stuff once you know how to handle it and smoke it without tobacco.

Too Tough To Die · 07-10-2014 07:45PM

Lalealynn wrote: »

I witnessed an ex go in and out of both. No the dragon's clutch is more powerful. BS. His limbs spasmed on withdrawal from H. It's why they call it kicking the habit his legs kept kicking.

PAWS can last for weeks or months.

Pain in the back and the legs as his body became more sensitive again. People do weird **** on drugs because their body doesn't feel pain any,ore so they don't worry about getting into fights etc. Part of the way heroin works is to block the body's pain pathways..When you withdraw from heroin, there is a rebound effect. Morphine is a relative of heroin. Vomit stomach pain etc.

I have NEVER AND WILL NEVER do drugs. Yes withdrawal from cannabis is bad too. But I don't think you can compare them at all.

For anyone out there doing it. HUGS xxx never give up giving up! You got this.

No it isn't.

Lalealynn · 07-10-2014 07:45PM

It's actually insulting to the brave peeps who went through giving up Heroin and came out the other side!

ScumLord · 07-10-2014 07:47PM

Teenagers who smoke dope regularly are at double the risk of being diagnosed with schizophrenia or reporting psychotic symptoms in adulthood.

Misrepresentation of the facts.

Teenage cannabis smokers do worse at school achieving poorer exam result.

How do alcoholics do?

The study suggests teenagers will smoke into the adulthood impairing intellect, but the mechanism and reversibility of the impairment is unclear.

I don't really believe it.

Regular cannabis smokers have a higher risk of developing chronic bronchitis and if they continue into middle age probably increases the risk of myocardial infarction, a heart problem.

Smoking things i bad for your body.

Driving while cannabis-intoxicated doubles the risk of a car crash which increases if combined with alcohol.

Driving while intoxicated is bad now?

Smoking whilst pregnant harms your baby by stunting its growth.

Smoking what? This is just carried over from smoking tobacco.

These reports are really scraping the bottom of the barrel at this stage. They're basically saying smoking weed makes you stoned. Being stoned all the time probably isn't good for you. Inhaling smoke is bad. They just rap it up in a load of hysterics.

kneemos · 07-10-2014 07:48PM

Daily users definitely seem to have an addiction from what I've seen of them.

DoYouEvenLift · 07-10-2014 07:50PM

JJJJNR wrote: »

Smoked bongs solid for a whole weekend and then ran a marathon in Amsterdam. I'm asthmatic and never had any issues with breathing for the entire day in fact my lungs were completely clear much clearer than if I had of taken my inhalers.. completed the race very happy. Left and haven't smoked it since not even a little bit of a want. It's lovely stuff once you know how to handle it and smoke it without tobacco.

As an asthmatic it'd probably be better for you to use vaporisers instead to cancel out as much impurities as possible, you'd notice the difference in smoothness instantly and never want to smoke a dirty rolled spliff again.

And "dope" is heroin, so why are they claiming teens smoke as much dope as tobacco? They should use the correct terminology if they're going to try to convince their naieve readers that drugs are bad, m'kayyy.

Edit: lmao at their poll backfiring after a clear attempt to sway opinions against legalisation. 71% for yes haha, insane.

Tin Foil Hat · 07-10-2014 07:50PM

Braylon Nutty Reformer wrote: »

Now I'm no expert but isn't WHO a fairly reputable source?

Aren't they the crowd who held a press conference a few months ago, where they literally sat at a table with little tiny piles of sugar in front of them. The same crowd that tell us that if we go out and have three pints then we are involved in problem drinking. The WHO is Valhalla for finger-wagging, nanny-state morons.

Too Tough To Die · 07-10-2014 07:51PM

Tin Foil Hat wrote: »

Aren't they the crowd who held a press conference a few months ago, where they literally sat at a table with little tiny piles of sugar in front of them. The same crowd that tell us that if we go out and have three pints then we are involved in problem drinking. The WHO is Valhalla for finger-wagging, nanny-state morons.

And they used to be so cool back in the day.

Turtyturd · 07-10-2014 07:52PM

Lalealynn wrote: »

It's actually insulting to the brave peeps who went through giving up Heroin and came out the other side!

Those lads just don't get enough props.

J Mysterio · 07-10-2014 07:54PM

Turtyturd wrote: »

Those lads just don't get enough props.

Maybe but probably not a great idea to take heroin in the first place.

Turtyturd · 07-10-2014 07:56PM

J Mysterio wrote: »

Maybe but probably not a great idea to take heroin in the first place.

I suppose praising the quitters would be insulting to the hardcore lads still going strong and banging up on a daily basis.

JJJJNR · 07-10-2014 07:58PM

DoYouEvenLift wrote: »

As an asthmatic it'd probably be better for you to use vaporisers instead to cancel out as much impurities as possible, you'd notice the difference in smoothness instantly and never want to smoke a dirty rolled spliff again.

Sorry it was a vapouriser I was using, you are right. They are the business.

DoYouEvenLift · 07-10-2014 07:59PM

karma_ wrote: »

Cannabis has been smoked or consumed by humans for thousands of years.

I think the most addictive thing about a joint is the tobacco.

There is no tobacco in a joint. You're talking about a spliff. A joint is all marijuana. A blunt is also all marijuana rolled with cigar skins.

J Mysterio · 07-10-2014 07:59PM

qo2cj1dsne8y4k · 07-10-2014 08:01PM

I've lived with a chronic weed smoker, who'd get up at 7am and have two joints before going to work. He was paranoid, moody, aggressive, constantly looking for fights, over small insignificant things. He would flip the lid, lose the rag and hit me for NOTHING. It was at the stage where I wouldn't say anything to him so as not to antagonise him but he'd find something to go loopy over.

My cousins boyfriend is the same, paranoid and angry.

Before I moved away from the person I lived with, I spoke to a guard I was friends with who told me he heard that a lot, people being okay and becoming more aggressive once they start on the weed.

I know the usual people will be on here, defending weed, saying its harmless, saying it wasn't the weed causing the aggression but it was. He was fine, a completely different person before getting goofed off his mallet first thing in the mornings

Wompa1 · 07-10-2014 08:03PM

LexieOnRale wrote: »

Before I moved away from the person I lived with, I spoke to a guard I was friends with who told me he heard that a lot, people being okay and becoming more aggressive once they start on the weed.

My brother is pretty aggressive now too. My girlfriend worked at a rehab center...she couldn't tell me too much but it changed her opinion about pot

J Mysterio · 07-10-2014 08:04PM

There's a time and a place for weed. If you are smoking everyday it's a problem.

DamagedTrax · 07-10-2014 08:05PM

usually by 10am im out robbing aul wans to get my fix of weeds. i need to smoke 3 50 bags a day or else i suffer from severe stomach cramps, nausea and psychotic bouts interlaced with paranoid hallucinations. thats why i smoke a lot of weed.

... hang on, i got mixed up between weed and heroin.

ridiculous article altogether.

handbagmad · 07-10-2014 08:06PM

LexieOnRale wrote: »

I've lived with a chronic weed smoker, who'd get up at 7am and have two joints before going to work. He was paranoid, moody, aggressive, constantly looking for fights, over small insignificant things. He would flip the lid, lose the rag and hit me for NOTHING. It was at the stage where I wouldn't say anything to him so as not to antagonise him but he'd find something to go loopy over.

My cousins boyfriend is the same, paranoid and angry.

Before I moved away from the person I lived with, I spoke to a guard I was friends with who told me he heard that a lot, people being okay and becoming more aggressive once they start on the weed.

I know the usual people will be on here, defending weed, saying its harmless, saying it wasn't the weed causing the aggression but it was. He was fine, a completely different person before getting goofed off his mallet first thing in the mornings

100% this.

Potential-Monke · 07-10-2014 08:06PM

Then weed obviously didn't suit him. Substitute alcohol for weed and the same thing can be said.

Bottom line is, certain people should not take any intoxicants, that includes caffeine, alcohol, weed, etc. It effects everyone differently, and only by trying will someone know. What people like this need are friends who straight up say what they're like while under the influenceand try to help them off it. If they don't want help, then let them off.

Lets say everything drug related was legal, and as a group people came together to decide which ones to make illegal. I would nearly guarantee that weed would be left legal, and alcohol made illegal. But that wouldn't work anyway, prohibition doesn't work.

I also had someone tell me that they'd prefer if their kids were on heroin before weed. Yes really. We nearly came to a physical altercation over it. He just wouldn't listen to sense, and has the most warped view of weed i've ever encountered.

DamagedTrax · 07-10-2014 08:07PM

LexieOnRale wrote: »

I've lived with a chronic weed smoker, who'd get up at 7am and have two joints before going to work. He was paranoid, moody, aggressive, constantly looking for fights, over small insignificant things. He would flip the lid, lose the rag and hit me for NOTHING. It was at the stage where I wouldn't say anything to him so as not to antagonise him but he'd find something to go loopy over.

My cousins boyfriend is the same, paranoid and angry.

Before I moved away from the person I lived with, I spoke to a guard I was friends with who told me he heard that a lot, people being okay and becoming more aggressive once they start on the weed.

I know the usual people will be on here, defending weed, saying its harmless, saying it wasn't the weed causing the aggression but it was. He was fine, a completely different person before getting goofed off his mallet first thing in the mornings

just like alcohol, heroin, cocaine etc.. certain substances dont go well with certain people.

i can smoke weed all day long if im in the mood, generally i stay chilled and happy but i hate drinking because its a downer for me.

if everyone respected what their minds and bodies were capable of, there'd be no need for discussion.

Cannabis withdrawal worse than heroin

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