Cannabis withdrawal worse than heroin

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http://www.irishmirror.ie/news/world-news/cannabis-addictive-causes-mental-health-4393439

Not one for the tabloids myself but I spotted that on Facebook and the headline piqued my interest.

Now I'm no expert but isn't WHO a fairly reputable source? I'm still on the fence about this particular topic but every time it comes up it reminds me of a mate of mine who sank into the doobhole and refuses to climb out.

He was a fairly healthy and normal chap in school, mad into his sports and trying to get into Trinity after the Leaving. But then he fell into the wrong crowd, got arrested a few times for petty crimes (joyriding, carrying weed when he was caught) and ended up dropping out of about three college courses in four years.

Last I heard he doesn't get into legal trouble any more but he's stuck at his parents house all day. Friendless, jobless and prospectless he spends his life puffing away on the mongsticks and posting about conspiracy theories on Facebook. I had to block him after a while.

Then again, one of the lads he hung out with did heroin and now he's dead so I suppose I'd rather get trapped in the pot haze. Still unfortunate though.

I know that's a really extreme example and loads of you are probably healthy, responsible adults who smoke weed non-stop without any ill-effects. But it is easy to forget that it does effect some people negatively and can be the catalyst for ruined potential. Like anything else, really. Still, be careful.

AndonHandon

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Nib

Heroin can't be that bad. Worked out well for that guy in Trainspotting. He ended up with loads of money and he shagged a 15 year old.

J Mysterio

Braylon Nutty Reformer wrote: »

http://www.irishmirror.ie/news/world-news/cannabis-addictive-causes-mental-health-4393439

Not one for the tabloids myself but I spotted that on Facebook and the headline piqued my interest.

Now I'm no expert but isn't WHO a fairly reputable source? I'm still on the fence about this particular topic but every time it comes up it reminds me of a mate of mine who sank into the doobhole and refuses to climb out.

He was a fairly healthy and normal chap in school, mad into his sports and trying to get into Trinity after the Leaving. But then he fell into the wrong crowd, got arrested a few times for petty crimes (joyriding, carrying weed when he was caught) and ended up dropping out of about three college courses in four years.

Last I heard he doesn't get into legal trouble any more but he's stuck at his parents house all day. Friendless, jobless and prospectless he spends his life puffing away on the mongsticks and posting about conspiracy theories on Facebook. I had to block him after a while.

Then again, one of the lads he hung out with did heroin and now he's dead so I suppose I'd rather get trapped in the pot haze. Still unfortunate though.

I know that's a really extreme example and loads of you are probably healthy, responsible adults who smoke weed non-stop without any ill-effects. But it is easy to forget that it does effect some people negatively and can be the catalyst for ruined potential. Like anything else, really. Still, be careful.

WHO's pronouncements have been going badly downhill recently and they are approaching farcical levels with this shìt. Their comments on e-cigs have also been roundly criticised by academics and scientists

stimpson

For most people it doesn't seem to be a problem. Most (all) of my mates were stoners growing up and we all have careers and family's now. Apart from the odd or regular spliff we were all law abiding citizens.

Compared to alcohol it does very little harm from what I've seen.

Lapin

I'm not havin that.

I saw Trainspotting and yer man Tommy was grand until he started that heroin lark.

The odd joint here and there was no problem and he could tape himself ridin his missus away to his knob's content.

Then he took up the ould heroin and got hooked.

Then got poisoned by a kitten.

Then he died like.

So now for ya.










The kitten is fine though.

karma_

Cannabis has been smoked or consumed by humans for thousands of years.

I think the most addictive thing about a joint is the tobacco.

DLMA23

Thread title is pure hyperbole

DoYouEvenLift

I know lots of people, myself included, who have and still smoke occasionally just like most of us will also have an occasional drink and are stilly fully normally functioning students and career people. Have never heard of any of them being addicted or experiencing withdrawals. I honestly think if someone has addictive tendencies and lacks will power then the substance doesn't matter, they'll get addicted or dependent either way. Maybe people with sh!t will power should just stay completely away from anything that inhibits complete self control.


People can lose motivation without drugs, have seen that plenty of times too, so I wouldn't necessarily say that marijuana is to blame for your friends situation.

Lalealynn

I witnessed an ex go in and out of both. No the dragon's clutch is more powerful. BS. His limbs spasmed on withdrawal from H. It's why they call it kicking the habit his legs kept kicking.

PAWS can last for weeks or months.

Pain in the back and the legs as his body became more sensitive again. People do weird **** on drugs because their body doesn't feel pain any,ore so they don't worry about getting into fights etc. Part of the way heroin works is to block the body's pain pathways..When you withdraw from heroin, there is a rebound effect. Morphine is a relative of heroin. Vomit stomach pain etc.



I have NEVER AND WILL NEVER do drugs. Yes withdrawal from cannabis is bad too. I don't know many weed addicts. But I don't think you can compare them at all. Still would never do weed though.

For anyone out there doing it. HUGS xxx never give up giving up! You got this.

JJJJNR

Smoked bongs solid for a whole weekend and then ran a marathon in Amsterdam. I'm asthmatic and never had any issues with breathing for the entire day in fact my lungs were completely clear much clearer than if I had of taken my inhalers.. completed the race very happy. Left and haven't smoked it since not even a little bit of a want. It's lovely stuff once you know how to handle it and smoke it without tobacco.

Too Tough To Die

Lalealynn wrote: »

I witnessed an ex go in and out of both. No the dragon's clutch is more powerful. BS. His limbs spasmed on withdrawal from H. It's why they call it kicking the habit his legs kept kicking.

PAWS can last for weeks or months.

Pain in the back and the legs as his body became more sensitive again. People do weird **** on drugs because their body doesn't feel pain any,ore so they don't worry about getting into fights etc. Part of the way heroin works is to block the body's pain pathways..When you withdraw from heroin, there is a rebound effect. Morphine is a relative of heroin. Vomit stomach pain etc.



I have NEVER AND WILL NEVER do drugs. Yes withdrawal from cannabis is bad too. But I don't think you can compare them at all.

For anyone out there doing it. HUGS xxx never give up giving up! You got this.

No it isn't.

Lalealynn

It's actually insulting to the brave peeps who went through giving up Heroin and came out the other side!

ScumLord

Teenagers who smoke dope regularly are at double the risk of being diagnosed with schizophrenia or reporting psychotic symptoms in adulthood.

Misrepresentation of the facts.

Teenage cannabis smokers do worse at school achieving poorer exam result.

How do alcoholics do?

The study suggests teenagers will smoke into the adulthood impairing intellect, but the mechanism and reversibility of the impairment is unclear.

I don't really believe it.

Regular cannabis smokers have a higher risk of developing chronic bronchitis and if they continue into middle age probably increases the risk of myocardial infarction, a heart problem.

Smoking things i bad for your body.

Driving while cannabis-intoxicated doubles the risk of a car crash which increases if combined with alcohol.

Driving while intoxicated is bad now?

Smoking whilst pregnant harms your baby by stunting its growth.

Smoking what? This is just carried over from smoking tobacco.


These reports are really scraping the bottom of the barrel at this stage. They're basically saying smoking weed makes you stoned. Being stoned all the time probably isn't good for you. Inhaling smoke is bad. They just rap it up in a load of hysterics.

kneemos

Daily users definitely seem to have an addiction from what I've seen of them.

DoYouEvenLift

JJJJNR wrote: »

Smoked bongs solid for a whole weekend and then ran a marathon in Amsterdam. I'm asthmatic and never had any issues with breathing for the entire day in fact my lungs were completely clear much clearer than if I had of taken my inhalers.. completed the race very happy. Left and haven't smoked it since not even a little bit of a want. It's lovely stuff once you know how to handle it and smoke it without tobacco.

As an asthmatic it'd probably be better for you to use vaporisers instead to cancel out as much impurities as possible, you'd notice the difference in smoothness instantly and never want to smoke a dirty rolled spliff again.


And "dope" is heroin, so why are they claiming teens smoke as much dope as tobacco? They should use the correct terminology if they're going to try to convince their naieve readers that drugs are bad, m'kayyy.

Edit: lmao at their poll backfiring after a clear attempt to sway opinions against legalisation. 71% for yes haha, insane.

Tin Foil Hat

Braylon Nutty Reformer wrote: »

Now I'm no expert but isn't WHO a fairly reputable source?

Aren't they the crowd who held a press conference a few months ago, where they literally sat at a table with little tiny piles of sugar in front of them. The same crowd that tell us that if we go out and have three pints then we are involved in problem drinking. The WHO is Valhalla for finger-wagging, nanny-state morons.

Too Tough To Die

Tin Foil Hat wrote: »

Aren't they the crowd who held a press conference a few months ago, where they literally sat at a table with little tiny piles of sugar in front of them. The same crowd that tell us that if we go out and have three pints then we are involved in problem drinking. The WHO is Valhalla for finger-wagging, nanny-state morons.

And they used to be so cool back in the day.

Turtyturd

Lalealynn wrote: »

It's actually insulting to the brave peeps who went through giving up Heroin and came out the other side!

Those lads just don't get enough props.

J Mysterio

Turtyturd wrote: »

Those lads just don't get enough props.

Maybe but probably not a great idea to take heroin in the first place.

Turtyturd

J Mysterio wrote: »

Maybe but probably not a great idea to take heroin in the first place.

I suppose praising the quitters would be insulting to the hardcore lads still going strong and banging up on a daily basis.

JJJJNR

DoYouEvenLift wrote: »

As an asthmatic it'd probably be better for you to use vaporisers instead to cancel out as much impurities as possible, you'd notice the difference in smoothness instantly and never want to smoke a dirty rolled spliff again.

Sorry it was a vapouriser I was using, you are right. They are the business.

DoYouEvenLift

karma_ wrote: »

Cannabis has been smoked or consumed by humans for thousands of years.

I think the most addictive thing about a joint is the tobacco.

There is no tobacco in a joint. You're talking about a spliff. A joint is all marijuana. A blunt is also all marijuana rolled with cigar skins.

J Mysterio

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I've lived with a chronic weed smoker, who'd get up at 7am and have two joints before going to work. He was paranoid, moody, aggressive, constantly looking for fights, over small insignificant things. He would flip the lid, lose the rag and hit me for NOTHING. It was at the stage where I wouldn't say anything to him so as not to antagonise him but he'd find something to go loopy over.

My cousins boyfriend is the same, paranoid and angry.

Before I moved away from the person I lived with, I spoke to a guard I was friends with who told me he heard that a lot, people being okay and becoming more aggressive once they start on the weed.

I know the usual people will be on here, defending weed, saying its harmless, saying it wasn't the weed causing the aggression but it was. He was fine, a completely different person before getting goofed off his mallet first thing in the mornings

Wompa1

LexieOnRale wrote: »

Before I moved away from the person I lived with, I spoke to a guard I was friends with who told me he heard that a lot, people being okay and becoming more aggressive once they start on the weed.

My brother is pretty aggressive now too. My girlfriend worked at a rehab center...she couldn't tell me too much but it changed her opinion about pot

J Mysterio

There's a time and a place for weed. If you are smoking everyday it's a problem.

DamagedTrax

usually by 10am im out robbing aul wans to get my fix of weeds. i need to smoke 3 50 bags a day or else i suffer from severe stomach cramps, nausea and psychotic bouts interlaced with paranoid hallucinations. thats why i smoke a lot of weed.


... hang on, i got mixed up between weed and heroin.

ridiculous article altogether.

handbagmad

LexieOnRale wrote: »

I've lived with a chronic weed smoker, who'd get up at 7am and have two joints before going to work. He was paranoid, moody, aggressive, constantly looking for fights, over small insignificant things. He would flip the lid, lose the rag and hit me for NOTHING. It was at the stage where I wouldn't say anything to him so as not to antagonise him but he'd find something to go loopy over.

My cousins boyfriend is the same, paranoid and angry.

Before I moved away from the person I lived with, I spoke to a guard I was friends with who told me he heard that a lot, people being okay and becoming more aggressive once they start on the weed.

I know the usual people will be on here, defending weed, saying its harmless, saying it wasn't the weed causing the aggression but it was. He was fine, a completely different person before getting goofed off his mallet first thing in the mornings

100% this.

Potential-Monke

Then weed obviously didn't suit him. Substitute alcohol for weed and the same thing can be said.

Bottom line is, certain people should not take any intoxicants, that includes caffeine, alcohol, weed, etc. It effects everyone differently, and only by trying will someone know. What people like this need are friends who straight up say what they're like while under the influenceand try to help them off it. If they don't want help, then let them off.

Lets say everything drug related was legal, and as a group people came together to decide which ones to make illegal. I would nearly guarantee that weed would be left legal, and alcohol made illegal. But that wouldn't work anyway, prohibition doesn't work.

I also had someone tell me that they'd prefer if their kids were on heroin before weed. Yes really. We nearly came to a physical altercation over it. He just wouldn't listen to sense, and has the most warped view of weed i've ever encountered.

DamagedTrax

LexieOnRale wrote: »

I've lived with a chronic weed smoker, who'd get up at 7am and have two joints before going to work. He was paranoid, moody, aggressive, constantly looking for fights, over small insignificant things. He would flip the lid, lose the rag and hit me for NOTHING. It was at the stage where I wouldn't say anything to him so as not to antagonise him but he'd find something to go loopy over.

My cousins boyfriend is the same, paranoid and angry.

Before I moved away from the person I lived with, I spoke to a guard I was friends with who told me he heard that a lot, people being okay and becoming more aggressive once they start on the weed.

I know the usual people will be on here, defending weed, saying its harmless, saying it wasn't the weed causing the aggression but it was. He was fine, a completely different person before getting goofed off his mallet first thing in the mornings

just like alcohol, heroin, cocaine etc.. certain substances dont go well with certain people.

i can smoke weed all day long if im in the mood, generally i stay chilled and happy but i hate drinking because its a downer for me.

if everyone respected what their minds and bodies were capable of, there'd be no need for discussion.

karma_

DoYouEvenLift wrote: »

There is no tobacco in a joint. You're talking about a spliff. A joint is all marijuana. A blunt is also all marijuana rolled with cigar skins.

Well I'm not going to change the nomenclature because we don't go to the extravagance of smoking it like that. Here, we call them joints and they have tobacco.

JJJJNR

LexieOnRale wrote: »

I've lived with a chronic weed smoker, who'd get up at 7am and have two joints before going to work. He was paranoid, moody, aggressive, constantly looking for fights, over small insignificant things. He would flip the lid, lose the rag and hit me for NOTHING. It was at the stage where I wouldn't say anything to him so as not to antagonise him but he'd find something to go loopy over.

My cousins boyfriend is the same, paranoid and angry.

Before I moved away from the person I lived with, I spoke to a guard I was friends with who told me he heard that a lot, people being okay and becoming more aggressive once they start on the weed.

I know the usual people will be on here, defending weed, saying its harmless, saying it wasn't the weed causing the aggression but it was. He was fine, a completely different person before getting goofed off his mallet first thing in the mornings

You can't blame weed for this, not defending it in anyway, but I guess anyone with a different perspective will be viewed as a goofed stoner, so I won't bother.

Roquentin

Lapin wrote: »

I'm not havin that.

I saw Trainspotting and yer man Tommy was grand until he started that heroin lark.

The odd joint here and there was no problem and he could tape himself ridin his missus away to his knob's content.

Then he took up the ould heroin and got hooked.

Then got poisoned by a kitten.

Then he died like.

So now for ya.










The kitten is fine though.

he contracted HIV which progressed to AIDS

Lalealynn

Too Tough To Die wrote: »

No it isn't.

Is it worse than not giving it up?

Lapin

Roquentin wrote: »

he contracted HIV which progressed to AIDS

Well there you go.

Sharing a joint doesn't give you HIV.

Sharing needles does.



There was something about a kitten too though. Wasn't there?

qo2cj1dsne8y4k

JJJJNR wrote: »

You can't blame weed for this, not defending it in anyway, but I guess anyone with a different perspective will be viewed as a goofed stoner, so I won't bother.

I absolutely can blame the weed for this as it was responsible for MANY black eyes and MANY broken bones, it wasn't a one time thing.
I knew him very well before he got in on weed and he wasn't an aggressive asshole. Then he smoked it, and he was.

If he was coming home drunk and beating me up I'd be saying he was an alcoholic and abusive with drink in him.

Weed isn't harmless. Just because it doesn't affect someone doesn't mean it doesn't cause another person to turn skitzo and influct domestic abuse onto someone who does not deserve it.

I am pie

Roquentin wrote: »

he contracted HIV which progressed to AIDS

The kitten was OK though, or no?

Sweating bullets here, pls confirm.

Roquentin

i concur that some people are just not cut out for weed. i knew a guy in secondary school. this is ages ago now. he was very quiet and sort of introverted, but highly intelligent academically. We think he was autistic or something. anyway he started smoking weed and became extremely paranoid.

Tin Foil Hat

I am pie wrote: »

The kitten was OK though, or no?

Sweating bullets here, pls confirm.

That film is 20 years old. The kitten is fiukkin' dead now, one way or the other.

Roquentin

Lapin wrote: »

Well there you go.

Sharing a joint doesn't give you HIV.

Sharing needles does.



There was something about a kitten too though. Wasn't there?

because of the AIDS his immune system was depleted and he died of toxiplasmosis i think, which a normal immune system would kill of. yea nice kitten though

Roquentin

I am pie wrote: »

The kitten was OK though, or no?

Sweating bullets here, pls confirm.

cats can get cat HIV, but its different to the human strain.....yes the kitten was put up for adoption, found a family, got married and lived a merry auld life

Lalealynn

LexieOnRale wrote: »

I've lived with a chronic weed smoker, who'd get up at 7am and have two joints before going to work. He was paranoid, moody, aggressive, constantly looking for fights, over small insignificant things. He would flip the lid, lose the rag and hit me for NOTHING. It was at the stage where I wouldn't say anything to him so as not to antagonise him but he'd find something to go loopy over.

My cousins boyfriend is the same, paranoid and angry.

Before I moved away from the person I lived with, I spoke to a guard I was friends with who told me he heard that a lot, people being okay and becoming more aggressive once they start on the weed.

I know the usual people will be on here, defending weed, saying its harmless, saying it wasn't the weed causing the aggression but it was. He was fine, a completely different person before getting goofed off his mallet first thing in the mornings

I don't smoke it never have and I don't defend it.

But I do know people who react to it as you describe. But I also know people who smoke who are nothing like that.

I do think if you refuse to accept the substance you use can be harmful there is an issue. But it can't be compared to heroin.

I did have an ex who blamed a lot of his **** on cannabis or other drug withdrawals though maybe I'm naive.

Certainly I know people who smoke who are ok too though. But they don't take it lightly though. They don't think they are invincible. I think there is an arrogance in some drug users and some staunchly anti drugs people.

Jamiekelly

DoYouEvenLift wrote: »

There is no tobacco in a joint. You're talking about a spliff. A joint is all marijuana. A blunt is also all marijuana rolled with cigar skins.

LOL

DoYouEvenLift

Potential-Monke wrote: »

Then weed obviously didn't suit him. Substitute alcohol for weed and the same thing can be said.

Bottom line is, certain people should not take any intoxicants, that includes caffeine, alcohol, weed, etc. It effects everyone differently, and only by trying will someone know. What people like this need are friends who straight up say what they're like while under the influenceand try to help them off it. If they don't want help, then let them off.

Lets say everything drug related was legal, and as a group people came together to decide which ones to make illegal. I would nearly guarantee that weed would be left legal, and alcohol made illegal. But that wouldn't work anyway, prohibition doesn't work.

I also had someone tell me that they'd prefer if their kids were on heroin before weed. Yes really. We nearly came to a physical altercation over it. He just wouldn't listen to sense, and has the most warped view of weed i've ever encountered.

If we made alcohol illegal and marijuana legal there could possibly be a lot more positives from a law enforcement point of view at least. People going out would either be relaxed due to smoking or they'd be sober and a lot more respectful to everyone around them as opposed to the same people who may be notorious pricks while drunk. No more money wasted on unnecessary raids or arrests over a plant unless there was a significant black market. No more retards picking fights in and outside clubs because they get a heightened sense of how hard they are while drunk. Walking through puke and piss filled streets and stepping on empty cans and broken glass would be almost non existent. In general people would either be forced to rely on their social skills while sober which would help them progress positively as an individual or otherwise they'd still be easy going and relaxed while smoking. Take always, especially pizza shops, would probably experience a boom lol.

I'm not saying it'd cause a perfect society, because it wouldn't, but I can definitely see the possible benefits if there was more awareness and education either gained through school or everyone doing their own research and coming to their own conclusions about whether they want to take part or not.

karma_ wrote: »

Well I'm not going to change the nomenclature because we don't go to the extravagance of smoking it like that. Here, we call them joints and they have tobacco.

Here, as in Ireland, everyone I know calls them spliffs like I explained.

Goodshape

1 in 10 become addicted? That's 90% that don't become addicted at all, then. That sounds perfectly reasonable. You can become addicted to anything really.

And it's a mind altering substance. I don't think anyone is suggesting that any mind altering substance is a good idea for everyone all of the time. Just don't persecute the rest of us.

mikom

Fucktards be Fucktards.
Blaming the cannabis is a cop out.
If it wasn't the cannabis, it'd be the alcohol.
If it wasn't the alcohol, it'd be the fizzy drinks.
If it wasn't the fizzy drinks, it'd be the video games.
If it wasn't the video games, it'd be the video nasties.
If it wasn't the video nasties, it'd be the rock n roll music..........

Repeat until you start to sound like your ould wan.

Lalealynn wrote: »

For anyone out there doing it. HUGS xxx never give up giving up! You got this.

Thanks......

Augmerson

LexieOnRale wrote: »

I've lived with a chronic weed smoker, who'd get up at 7am and have two joints before going to work. He was paranoid, moody, aggressive, constantly looking for fights, over small insignificant things. He would flip the lid, lose the rag and hit me for NOTHING. It was at the stage where I wouldn't say anything to him so as not to antagonise him but he'd find something to go loopy over.

My cousins boyfriend is the same, paranoid and angry.

Before I moved away from the person I lived with, I spoke to a guard I was friends with who told me he heard that a lot, people being okay and becoming more aggressive once they start on the weed.

I know the usual people will be on here, defending weed, saying its harmless, saying it wasn't the weed causing the aggression but it was. He was fine, a completely different person before getting goofed off his mallet first thing in the mornings

If it was a chronic alcoholic it'd be the same thing. Chronic anything is bad. What those people are doing is abusing a drug.

I'm fine with 2 or 3 pints and I'm fine with 2 or 3 spliffs. But I won't drink or smoke again the next day and tbh I prefer to enjoy these things as a treat rather than a habit. It loses it's quality if you abuse it.

It could also be that your former roommate was just a ****ing asshole.

harry Bailey esq

kneemos wrote: »

Daily users definitely seem to have an addiction from what I've seen of them.

I've been smoking more or less daily since 1994,Apart from the occasional drought.I've never experienced any withdrawal symptoms, ever.People coming off heroin get a really bad flu and a severe case of the scutters for up to a month, and that's just the physical part.The mental scars can last a lifetime for many ex users.Story is total bs

UCDVet

Cannabis is less addictive than caffeine and has fewer withdrawal symptoms.

http://druglibrary.org/schaffer/library/basicfax5.htm

Also, alcohol withdrawl is worse than heroin and cocaine.

The tables listed below show the rankings given for each of the drugs. Overall, their evaluations for the drugs are very consistent. It is notable that marijuana ranks below caffeine in most addictive criteria, while alcohol and tobacco are near the top of the scale in many areas.

I am pie

Make it legal, create safer ways (i.e. less tobacco) ways of enjoying it, generate revenue, develop safe dosage limits, etc etc etc.

Uruguay is still standing last time I looked over the water here, pretty sure Montevideo hasn't been overcome by hoards of violent zombies.