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Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2014 - Mod Note in OP, 1/09

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,926 ✭✭✭dogbert27


    Benzino wrote: »
    How does a coaches playing career indicate how good of a coach they are? By that logic, Mourinho would never be a good coach, or Rodgers, or Ferguson etc etc. His playing career has no bearing on his coaching ability.

    Mourinho and Rodgers went around Europe learning their trade.

    My example was the perception of the player being coached. John Achterberg went from finishing his playing career with Tranmere straight in to coaching Liverpool reserves and academy keepers.

    He got promoted to first team coach in 2011. My perception of Reina is that he was wondering, what can this guy teach me better than I already have been taught.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,707 ✭✭✭✭cj maxx


    Dickerty wrote: »
    Looking at Enrique's two games so far, and Moreno having been very impressive to date, I wouldn't be surprised to see Enrique as a LW in a few games, he is more direct and links better (as a wide player) than Coutinho or Sterling, who always want to get inside. For the Real games, would give us extra defensive support, and both he and Moreno are capable of getting outside the FB.

    That's my prediction!

    Think that would be the way to go if balo is up front on his own ,
    Get service into him in the mire traditional way


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,144 ✭✭✭DVDM93


    No but everyone is raving about him and I think he is the new English star youngster that LFC have targeted rather than Will Hughes. However I think Liverpool may already have Dele Alli in the shape of Sheyi Ojo 17 years old. I was an Ojo sceptic as I couldn't quite figure out his place or "style" but in the last year its started to become clear he has a lot to offer.

    Ojo v West Ham U21s - fantastico golas



    Alli highlights reel with sh'ite music.



    Obviously Alli plays at a higher level week in week out in the Championship but I'd not bet against Ojo doing similar stuff at a club like MK Dons next season.

    Cheers. Rumours flying about that we've signed him for £8m. To be honest I hadn't heard of him before this morning.

    I've heard of Ojo alright, I have LFC TV so get to see him play quite a bit. Exciting prospect :)

    http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/518032/Liverpool-Chelsea-Man-Utd-Arsenal-Messi-Dele-Alli

    http://m.tribalfootball.com/articles/4042574
    http://metro.co.uk/2014/10/03/liverpool-agree-8million-transfer-deal-to-sign-mk-dons-star-dele-ali-4890863/


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,872 ✭✭✭Dickerty


    Alli is much more of a striker/finisher, whereas Ojo wants to be in midfield creating things. But Ojo doesn't yet have the mindset of a midfielder, only wants to do the attacking stuff.

    Alli is another guy who is unlikely to be a poor acquisition, given is English and young so his value will hold, but not what we need right now...


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,144 ✭✭✭DVDM93


    Rossitier added to the injury list not long after Suso, lovely.

    http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/jordan-rossiter-suso-join-list-7874413


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 61,272 ✭✭✭✭Agent Coulson




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 61,272 ✭✭✭✭Agent Coulson


    Liverpool confident of signing ex-Barcelona star Victor Valdes in next fortnight.

    http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/518046/Liverpool-Ex-Barcelona-Star-Valdes


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,207 ✭✭✭✭Utopia Parkway


    8-10 wrote: »
    I think there's more to the story between Mario and Brendan. The comments just seem odd

    Starting to wonder if Rodgers wanted him at all or whether he was signed on the recommendation of the transfer committee.

    Either way we didn't seem to have any clear plan on who to replace Suarez with. The Sanchez thing only cropped up once Barcelona wanted to get rid of him. You would imagine replacing Suarez should have been number one priority from early in the Summer. Especially given Sturridge's propensity to pick up knocks.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,725 ✭✭✭gafferino



    Thats a bit ridiculous. What is he doing posting something like that ffs.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,024 ✭✭✭✭8-10


    Starting to wonder if Rodgers wanted him at all or whether he was signed on the recommendation of the transfer committee.

    First of all as I said in the match thread, not clapping the travelling fans is a non-story. I left shortly after the final whistle as did most of the supporters and remember seeing Henderson, Gerrard etc clapping but was certainly not the whole team.

    So first off, for Brendan to publicly state that he didn't was odd, kind of like setting the seed in the media that he is not happy with Mario for something, strange thing to target but maybe to get the fans on his side saying that they deserve this and that, and Mario is not giving them respect. Odd.

    Then to further air his dirty laundry in public, he says the next day that he was the best available, it was a gamble and it's not paying off. I'm all for giving a player a rollicking if he's not performing, but an odd way to do it. If he's not performing then drop him. You spend the same money on Sakho and have no issue dropping him so do the same. Make him do extra shooting training or whatever, I don't care but don't run to the media to slate the player. Especially if it's Mario, is that really going to be a constructive way to criticise him?

    I really think there's something else to this story, perhaps something from after the match on Wednesday. If he was unhappy beforehand he wouldn't have played him, if he was unhappy during the game he still had Borini on the bench and only made 2 subs so could easily have dragged him off. But after he leaves him on the field for 90mins (where admittedly he spent most of the time strolling around in an offside position), he's reacted in a very unusual way in firstly making comments about his respect to travelling fans and secondly making indirect comments about his performances by talking about his availability during the summer. I might be wrong but something in this story is not sitting right for me. Let's see if he starts this weekend.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,041 ✭✭✭brevity


    Kinda echoing what others have said but perhaps Rodgers needs to look at his backroom team and see if there is enough experience there to properly help him.

    He really needs to rethink how he's set up in defense & goalkeeping areas.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 61,272 ✭✭✭✭Agent Coulson


    Starting to wonder if Rodgers wanted him at all or whether he was signed on the recommendation of the transfer committee.

    So is this another signing that doesn't work out has to be the committees fault not Rodgers?

    We have seen players that have allegedly been bought by the transfer committe frozen out by Rodgers. Balotelli hasn't been frozen out.

    Brendan has stated many times that he has the final say on what players come in.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 40,059 ✭✭✭✭Harry Palmr


    Which sap is going to start a match thread, or shall we just avoid the ignominy?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,926 ✭✭✭dogbert27


    Which sap is going to start a match thread, or shall we just avoid the ignominy?

    Doesn't matter. I'm taking it upon myself to never follow a match thread again.

    Only two threads I didn't follow this season were Southampton and Spurs. I am the jinx. :(


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,294 ✭✭✭LiamoSail


    dogbert27 wrote: »
    I made a point last week about our coaching.

    When Rafa left he took the goal keeping coach with him. The new goal keeping coach that came in (after Hodgson's coach) played with Tranmere Rovers for 9 years.

    There is a parallel with this guys appointment and Reina's decline. Imagine you have played in the CL final. Won the FA Cup. Finished 2nd in the league. Been part of one of the greatest international football squads that won the European and World Cup.
    You turn up to work one day and you're told that a guy who has played with Tranmere Rovers for 9 years is now your coach. Fxxk that for a game of soldiers.

    Similar happened Bergkamp at Arsenal and Deco at Porto when Wenger/Mourinho turned up. That didn't work out too badly


  • Posts: 45,738 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Fair play Rodgers on the Ballotelli comments.

    Hopefully we sign a striker in January that suits our style and not just the moneyball strategy.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,725 ✭✭✭gafferino


    I have gone ahead and started the match thread. My first one.
    Tread softly for you tread on my dreams.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,775 ✭✭✭✭kfallon


    5starpool wrote: »
    Wasn't Suarez meant to be releasing an auto biography about now? Anyone know the release date?

    23rd of October is the pre order date on Amazon!


  • Posts: 45,738 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Going by most Footballers autobiographies it will be a classic!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,740 ✭✭✭✭MD1990


    It was reported earlier the summer that Rodgers wanted more of a say over transfers for the summer just gone. I think all the signings this summer are his.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,926 ✭✭✭dogbert27


    LiamoSail wrote: »
    Similar happened Bergkamp at Arsenal and Deco at Porto when Wenger/Mourinho turned up. That didn't work out too badly

    Deco hadn't won anything before Mourinho took over Porto in 2001. Mourinho had learned his trade at Barcelona with Bobby Robson and Louis Van Gaal.

    Bergkamp won 1 league with Ajax and 2 Uefa Cups. Arsene Wenger had actually won Ligue 1 as a player and as a manager with Monaco as well as the Coupe de France.

    I don't see the similarities in your examples.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,926 ✭✭✭dogbert27


    gafferino wrote: »
    I have gone ahead and started the match thread. My first one.
    Tread softly for you tread on my dreams.

    kaskusheadlinesmall.gif


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,079 ✭✭✭✭noodler


    Nice to see Rodgers recognises at least some of the problems Ballotelli has displayed.

    Even if there are plentry more problems with the team.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 61,272 ✭✭✭✭Agent Coulson


    Here is the problem I see with what Rodgers said about Ballotelli every single fan and pundit and footballer and manager on the planet new what type of player Ballotelli was when we signed him.

    Then the manager goes and plays him up front on his own which isn't his game he needs someone to play off. So the manager then goes in the press and slates the player for playing in a system that everyone can see doesn't work so instead of changing the system to suit the players the manager blames the players for not working hard enough and scoring goals.

    Rodgers as been caught out each season so far as Liverpool manager with his tactics and not being able to see the changes that need to be done mid game and his lack of defensive coaching.

    Now Rodgers seems to be a top man manager who can and seems to get the best from young players and has a great attacking philosophy which makes for excting football to watch when it is played right.

    Maybe he needs to deflate his ego a small bit and bring in some world class coaches beside him.

    Ego is good in this world for sure but but being able to se your own weakness will make him a world class manager.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,944 ✭✭✭✭SlickRic


    i honestly don't see what's wrong with what Rodgers said.

    like, at all.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,983 ✭✭✭✭NukaCola


    I dont either. If it was said about me i'd take zero offence to it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,983 ✭✭✭✭NukaCola


    Did he not say Gerrard was excellent on Wednesday night.

    Someone else said he did but i haven't seen it. Did you see it personally because in the post match interview on Sky he didn't praise anyone. When the presenter hinted that Sterling was poor BR said he's still young but doing the right things.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,385 ✭✭✭✭D'Agger


    SlickRic wrote: »
    i honestly don't see what's wrong with what Rodgers said.

    like, at all.
    It was the way he said it :pac:


  • Moderators, Music Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 25,740 Mod ✭✭✭✭Boom_Bap


    NukaCola wrote: »
    Someone else said he did but i haven't seen it. Did you see it personally because in the post match interview on Sky he didn't praise anyone. When the presenter hinted that Sterling was poor BR said he's still young but doing the right things.

    On the RTE post match interview, he praised Gerrard. It came on after the first or second batch of highlights from the other games.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,983 ✭✭✭✭NukaCola


    Boom_Bap wrote: »
    On the RTE post match interview, he praised Gerrard. It came on after the first or second batch of highlights from the other games.

    Cant stand the RTE panel. Another reason to be glad I missed it.


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