Dublin GAA Discussion Thread MOD WARNING POST #2944

BarryD · 29-09-2014 08:54AM

Whatever about the result, I thought the game was a good spectacle, far better than the normal football served up by the menfolk. Played at a fairly fast and free flowing pace. The most notable thing apart from the lack of petty cynical fouling was the absence as far as I could see of any 'off the ball incidents', schmozzles or punch ups that regularly characterise the mens game. If women can play the game in this spirit, why not the fellas??

BKWDR · 29-09-2014 08:59AM

BarryD wrote: »

If women can play the game in this spirit, why not the fellas??

Testosterone, pure and simple.

ThunbergsAreGo · 29-09-2014 09:07AM

BarryD wrote: »

Whatever about the result, I thought the game was a good spectacle, far better than the normal football served up by the menfolk. Played at a fairly fast and free flowing pace. The most notable thing apart from the lack of petty cynical fouling was the absence as far as I could see of any 'off the ball incidents', schmozzles or punch ups that regularly characterise the mens game. If women can play the game in this spirit, why not the fellas??

Strange I thought the standard of shooting/free taking/kick passing was poor throughout from both teams.

Felt sorry for them must play on their minds now regarding the collpase

BKWDR · 29-09-2014 09:13AM

When Cork came back to within 3 i knew they would win. Pure momentum closed it out for them. If Dublin had of pointed their couple of chances they had when Cork had put a few wide i think they might have scraped it but it was a terrible collapse.

Very entertaining watching all the same.

corny · 29-09-2014 10:44AM

At half time i suspected Cork would pull it back. Why? Dublin expended far more energy in the first half of the game. You could see Cork biding their time knowing that a tired team will eventually haemorrhage scores, and thats what happened. Comes with experience.

Dublin really have to learn that lesson. Manic workrate up and down the pitch is great in the first half but if you can't sustain it be prepared to give up a huge score towards the end.

Scrummage · 29-09-2014 11:09AM

corny wrote: »

At half time i suspected Cork would pull it back. Why? Dublin expended far more energy in the first half of the game. You could see Cork biding their time knowing that a tired team will eventually haemorrhage scores, and thats what happened. Comes with experience.

Dublin really have to learn that lesson. Manic workrate up and down the pitch is great in the first half but if you can't sustain it be prepared to give up a huge score towards the end.

Agree there, Just to add I think that Cork timed their subs very cleverly and it had an impact in the last 10 minutes.

clint_silver · 29-09-2014 11:54AM

I was pitch side and the last 10 minutes the build up in lactic in the dublin girls was so obvious, heads lolling as they were chasing their markers, couldnt get near their markers. This is a stamina/fitness issue. While this was in contrast to the first 20 when the cork girls couldnt get near the dublin players when they were attacking.

Having sad that, I think I counted 12-13 cork wides in the first half of at least 10 were very poor for that level which anyone who seen the match would have agreed on. so at half time that would have seen the teams closer as Dublin very economical with their scores.
That last 15-20 minutes Cork wave of scores, of which sure some of it was the subs, but seeing 2 dublin players running on empty summed it up for me, even 1 fit player in there to stop 2-3 passes might carried them over the line.

If so much talk was made of Dublin conditioning, why were cork running by them at the end? what are they doing in training that Dublin arent?

what a match though, learning experience for Dublin.

corny · 29-09-2014 12:57PM

clint_silver wrote: »

I was pitch side and the last 10 minutes the build up in lactic in the dublin girls was so obvious, heads lolling as they were chasing their markers, couldnt get near their markers. This is a stamina/fitness issue. While this was in contrast to the first 20 when the cork girls couldnt get near the dublin players when they were attacking.

Having sad that, I think I counted 12-13 cork wides in the first half of at least 10 were very poor for that level which anyone who seen the match would have agreed on. so at half time that would have seen the teams closer as Dublin very economical with their scores.
That last 15-20 minutes Cork wave of scores, of which sure some of it was the subs, but seeing 2 dublin players running on empty summed it up for me, even 1 fit player in there to stop 2-3 passes might carried them over the line.

If so much talk was made of Dublin conditioning, why were cork running by them at the end? what are they doing in training that Dublin arent?

what a match though, learning experience for Dublin.

It doesn't matter how fit you are you will eventually weaken. How quickly you reach that point depends on how hard you work obviously. For me, Dublin were working far harder in attack and defence in the first half. Numbers bursting up the field on a turnover, numbers frantically chasing back on a turnover. That can't last and if the opposition are biding their time (the Cork girls were effectively pacing themselves) eventually you're going to play catch up with relative fatigue. Its an understatement to say the Cork girls know what it takes.

Dublin may actually have been a fitter team you know. ie expended more energy.

TouchingVirus · 29-09-2014 01:11PM

What an annus horribilis for Dublin all round

clint_silver · 29-09-2014 01:14PM

corny wrote: »

It doesn't matter how fit you are you will eventually weaken. How quickly you reach that point depends on how hard you work obviously. For me, Dublin were working far harder in attack and defence in the first half. Numbers bursting up the field on a turnover, numbers frantically chasing back on a turnover. That can't last and if the opposition are biding their time (the Cork girls were effectively pacing themselves) eventually you're going to play catch up with relative fatigue. Its an understatement to say the Cork girls know what it takes.

Dublin may actually have been a fitter team you know. ie expended more energy.

Dublin definitely worked harder in first half but at that level, it had to have been game management to do that and not just individuals busting a gut. So naivety either on the team as a whole, or management or both.

but if they as a team had set out to work harder than cork (Im not talking effort but controlled running which involves pacing oneself as an athlete), they must have thought they had the legs to do it for 70. After 55 minutes, it was obvious they didn't and price was paid.

Was talking to a guy from the midlands who had bussed up 3 under age teams who didnt want to miss the final, said they were blown away by it. He's never seen the interest as big as it is now. Im involved in underage teams and our own club has doubled in girls playing in the last 3 years. Although to be fair what a match to garner interest.

DoctaDee · 29-09-2014 01:15PM

TouchingVirus wrote: »

What an annus horribilis for Dublin all round

I'd like to take full responsibility for that .. brought the #3 lad to Croker for the 1st time this year . AISF and yesterday he's yet to see them win ... we're doing an exorcism next weekend just in case there's an issue

corny · 29-09-2014 01:31PM

TouchingVirus wrote: »

What an annus horribilis for Dublin all round

We still won the U21s and the League i suppose. Some good performances too.... hurlers in Wexford, footballers League semi against Cork.

TouchingVirus · 29-09-2014 01:43PM

corny wrote: »

We still won the U21s and the League i suppose. Some good performances too.... hurlers in Wexford, footballers League semi against Cork.

It's true

But when it came down to really mattering in the seniors we fell short at every hurdle. The day out in Wexford was great but the trip to Thurles was a shocker, as were the trips to Galway and Waterford the first time in the league. In the football the trip to Derry was a kick, the win against Cork in the league was sublime and the Donegal match needs no comment.

DoctaDee · 29-09-2014 01:47PM

I meant to ask if anyone got down to see Ballyboden/Ballinteer last week. Notwithstanding the result just wondering if Gillick matched up on MDM or whether Nicky D was tasked with it. MDM came off at HT so it probably isn't a lot to go on.

I'd really like to see COS drop back into the HB line next year and have a defence that knows how to primarily defend - this of course leads to a gap in midfield.

ArielAtom · 30-09-2014 07:58AM

Gillick is not a footballer. He touched the ball 4 times in game I think. He was against MDMA/Mahoney, Boden owned midfield. Nicky was wasted doing a man marking job on Keaney in the fullback line, Keaney scored 1-2 off him. BSJ were very poor.

Oasis_Dublin · 30-09-2014 10:08AM

The issue, late on, for the ladies on Sunday was the kick-outs. Dublin kept kicking the ball out and losing it every single time. There was no attempt to slow the play down, or win some handy frees. Dublin seemed to be intent on playing right into Cork's momentum. As others have said, this isn't the first time they've thrown away a big lead against Cork, but if the men's team are anything to go by, one win against Cork could remove all those inhibitions.

DoctaDee · 30-09-2014 10:23AM

Oasis_Dublin wrote: »

The issue, late on, for the ladies on Sunday was the kick-outs. Dublin kept kicking the ball out and losing it every single time. There was no attempt to slow the play down, or win some handy frees. Dublin seemed to be intent on playing right into Cork's momentum. As others have said, this isn't the first time they've thrown away a big lead against Cork, but if the men's team are anything to go by, one win against Cork could remove all those inhibitions.

Yeah just on that Cliodhna O'Connor was spoken to once and then a throw up on the 2nd occasion for taking quick kick outs, not privy to all the rules but I'm guessing she had to come out to the 21 yard line to recommence play .. it robbed them of 2 handy possessions all the same

clint_silver · 30-09-2014 10:30AM

DoctaDee wrote: »

Yeah just on that Cliodhna O'Connor was spoken to once and then a throw up on the 2nd occasion for taking quick kick outs, not privy to all the rules but I'm guessing she had to come out to the 21 yard line to recommence play .. it robbed them of 2 handy possessions all the same

2 possessions Which were the difference between winning and losing. Game management.
Even the men's loss to Donegal. The play at 100 mph for as long as possible theory. There's ways to unlock it.

billyhead · 02-10-2014 05:55PM

Does anyone know when the county semi finals are on in both codes and also if you know when the finals will be scheduled for. Its it the Bank Holiday weekend?

DoctaDee · 02-10-2014 09:36PM

billyhead wrote: »

Does anyone know when the county semi finals are on in both codes and also if you know when the finals will be scheduled for. Its it the Bank Holiday weekend?

Howya Billy - we're only at the Q/F stage in Football - this weekend Saturday is a double header in da Nell - OP/ER v Ballymun & Vincents v Templeogue SS

Sunday is down in O'Toole Park another double header Judes v Brigids & BBSE v Lucan

Both days are afternoon throw ins

Edit - Saturday the following week is a double header in Parnell for Hurling Semis
O'Tooles v Judes & BBSE v Kilmacud

Past30Now · 03-10-2014 08:06AM

DoctaDee wrote: »

Howya Billy - we're only at the Q/F stage in Football - this weekend Saturday is a double header in da Nell - OP/ER v Ballymun & Vincents v Templeogue SS

Sunday is down in O'Toole Park another double header Judes v Brigids & BBSE v Lucan

Both days are afternoon throw ins

Edit - Saturday the following week is a double header in Parnell for Hurling Semis
O'Tooles v Judes & BBSE v Kilmacud

Intermediate Football Championship Semi Finals on this evening in Parnell Park. Fingallians vs BBSE (6:45pm) and Clanna Gael Fontenoy vs Castleknock (8:15pm).

DoctaDee · 03-10-2014 09:45AM

Past30Now wrote: »

Intermediate Football Championship Semi Finals on this evening in Parnell Park. Fingallians vs BBSE (6:45pm) and Clanna Gael Fontenoy vs Castleknock (8:15pm).

Looks like it's gonna be a horrible day but I'll probably get in for it anyways. From the outset (certainly after Pats Donabate were beaten) it had the looks of a Fins/Castleknock final - then again Olafs win last year shows anything can happen.

I've seen BBSE's AFL3 team a couple of times this year and they were very poor, but the changing nature of the championship season means that the team out tonight will bear little resemblance to the AFL3 team. The 4 IC players return to the senior set up has allowed them drop a number of their senior panel into the IFC. Their win over Judes last time out sorta reinforces that, coupled with the fact a few of the Judes minors who started in the IFC were taken into the senior panel.

The bigger clubs have the scope to "manage" their championship squads, if I was a betting man (and I am) - Paddy Power are offering 13/5 on BBSE win this evening, I think they'll have the strongest squad available to them with the chance of a county final, coupled with the fact that Flynner seems to be carrying a bit of a knock and being under utilised imo @ full forward. I'd love to see Fins win just have the feeling the BBSE team will be stacked.

Your lads have done exceptionally well to reach a SF without either of the Corcorans or Kilkenny. I know little of Fontenoy other than they've a few good young lads coming through mixed with a few wiser heads (Lyonsy) and some country lads in the back line. They've a strong midfielder (Connolly ?) and the wing forward Divney has caused a few problems to our lads on the couple of occasions I've seen him. On a level playing field I expect Castleknock to get over the line, there's little to suggest otherwise, I'm guessing the only thing against them is their inexperience in the IFC in only their 2nd year.

Just need the rain to stop now.

Past30Now · 03-10-2014 10:38AM

DoctaDee wrote: »

Looks like it's gonna be a horrible day but I'll probably get in for it anyways. From the outset (certainly after Pats Donabate were beaten) it had the looks of a Fins/Castleknock final - then again Olafs win last year shows anything can happen.

I've seen BBSE's AFL3 team a couple of times this year and they were very poor, but the changing nature of the championship season means that the team out tonight will bear little resemblance to the AFL3 team. The 4 IC players return to the senior set up has allowed them drop a number of their senior panel into the IFC. Their win over Judes last time out sorta reinforces that, coupled with the fact a few of the Judes minors who started in the IFC were taken into the senior panel.

The bigger clubs have the scope to "manage" their championship squads, if I was a betting man (and I am) - Paddy Power are offering 13/5 on BBSE win this evening, I think they'll have the strongest squad available to them with the chance of a county final, coupled with the fact that Flynner seems to be carrying a bit of a knock and being under utilised imo @ full forward. I'd love to see Fins win just have the feeling the BBSE team will be stacked.

Your lads have done exceptionally well to reach a SF without either of the Corcorans or Kilkenny. I know little of Fontenoy other than they've a few good young lads coming through mixed with a few wiser heads (Lyonsy) and some country lads in the back line. They've a strong midfielder (Connolly ?) and the wing forward Divney has caused a few problems to our lads on the couple of occasions I've seen him. On a level playing field I expect Castleknock to get over the line, there's little to suggest otherwise, I'm guessing the only thing against them is their inexperience in the IFC in only their 2nd year.

Just need the rain to stop now.

There's a good preview on Grassroots GAA of the Boden Fins match. He's leaning in the direction of Fins, on the basis that while Boden have extra players over and above their AFL3 team, they've had a comparatively easy run, specifically the Jude's match, who were a shadow of the team that beat St Pats (D).

We had an awful run earlier in the summer where a load of our lads went off on J1's. They are all back, and we are significantly stronger for it. The bonus of that period is that a number of young guys got a run on the first team, and whether starting or coming off the bench, they know they are up to AFL2 standard. Whether it's enough for this evenings match we'll find out this evening.

I haven't seen Clanna Gael Fontenoy, but will get a good look at them tonight. They are mid table in league 3 and could qualify for the play-offs.

I'm bringing my brolly.:D

keane2097 · 03-10-2014 10:48AM

DoctaDee wrote: »

Howya Billy - we're only at the Q/F stage in Football - this weekend Saturday is a double header in da Nell - OP/ER v Ballymun & Vincents v Templeogue SS

Sunday is down in O'Toole Park another double header Judes v Brigids & BBSE v Lucan

Both days are afternoon throw ins

Edit - Saturday the following week is a double header in Parnell for Hurling Semis
O'Tooles v Judes & BBSE v Kilmacud

What's parking like around there?

DoctaDee · 03-10-2014 11:13AM

Past30Now wrote: »

There's a good preview on Grassroots GAA of the Boden Fins match. He's leaning in the direction of Fins, on the basis that while Boden have extra players over and above their AFL3 team, they've had a comparatively easy run, specifically the Jude's match, who were a shadow of the team that beat St Pats (D).

We had an awful run earlier in the summer were a load of our lads went off on J1's. They are all back, and we are significantly stronger for it. The bonus of that period is that a number of young guys got a run on the first team, and whether starting or coming off the bench, they know they are up to AFL2 standard. Whether it's enough for this evenings match we'll find out this evening.

I haven't seen Clanna Gael Fontenoy, but will get a good look at them tonight. They are mid table in league 3 and could qualify for the play-offs.

I'm bringing my brolly.:D

Yeah I really hope Fins win this evening if for no other reason they're a proper Inter team in the spirit of the Championship.

Was just onto a few lads trying to drum up a bit of interest in going in tonight, one of them told me that the young lad Divney for Fontenoys is out injured. If it's the same lad I'm thinking of he'll be a big loss

Past30Now · 03-10-2014 11:22AM

keane2097 wrote: »

What's parking like around there?

The locals mightn't like it, but there is plenty of off street parking available around the ground.

Past30Now · 03-10-2014 11:25AM

DoctaDee wrote: »

Yeah I really hope Fins win this evening if for no other reason they're a proper Inter team in the spirit of the Championship.

Was just onto a few lads trying to drum up a bit of interest in going in tonight, one of them told me that the young lad Divney for Fontenoys is out injured. If it's the same lad I'm thinking of he'll be a big loss

I was going to "like" this post but I wouldn't mean it.

What happens if BBSE win the intermediate championship. Obviously they don't field two teams in the senior championship, (from recollection Brigids won it a few years ago). Does the runner up get promoted or is there no relegation?

DoctaDee · 03-10-2014 11:54AM

keane2097 wrote: »

What's parking like around there?

Past30Now wrote: »

The locals mightn't like it, but there is plenty of off street parking available around the ground.

Yeah very similar to Parnell Park

DoctaDee · 03-10-2014 11:58AM

Past30Now wrote: »

I was going to "like" this post but I wouldn't mean it.

What happens if BBSE win the intermediate championship. Obviously they don't field two teams in the senior championship, (from recollection Brigids won it a few years ago). Does the runner up get promoted or is there no relegation?

That's a good one, I don't rightly know. I suspect that runners up won't get a SFC place next year, I do know there's no relegation from IFC until there's 32 teams competing so as to get rid of the 1st round byes etc.

billyhead · 03-10-2014 03:52PM

DoctaDee wrote: »

That's a good one, I don't rightly know. I suspect that runners up won't get a SFC place next year, I do know there's no relegation from IFC until there's 32 teams competing so as to get rid of the 1st round byes etc.

hi doctadee. Do you know what time the plunketts game tomorrow is on at. Cheers

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