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Price Changes FPL 14/15 **Mod warning 1st post**

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,305 ✭✭✭✭Mr.Prodston


    8-10 wrote: »
    You see that's clearly not true. It's still the players who are in form getting points and getting transfers in.

    Look at the players who have risen, Costa, Ulloa, Siggy, Fabregas, Dier, Clyne....etc

    It should be no surprise to anybody that plays this game that these are the players that rise . Similarly it's the players not starting, players at big prices in bad defences, and injured players who are going down.

    Yet people are posting as if FPL have changed it dramatically and there's these random rises and drops all over the place. Name one price rise that looked random?

    I'm going to go out on a limb here and suggest that Rikand was simply joking. Of course there's some kind of system and formula in place, we just don't have all the information. Even if it's just that every 83 hours somebody hits a big shiny "randomiser" button changing everything. I mean Ulloa obviously got his 2nd rise before the 83 hours were up :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,969 ✭✭✭✭alchemist33


    Another possibility is that their thresholds have changed since the season began, throwing all calculations off.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,497 ✭✭✭GiftofGab


    Can’t believe there is so much talk about these price changes sites.

    The game is harder now that people can’t just pick players for the sake of gaining team value.

    With all these sites and forums you can be a great player without actually watching football.

    Now you have to pick players based on performance, form etc. It’s a gut instinct on when a player is likely to rise / fall and you as a player have to make a decision on when to buy / sell a player. Thus making the game all the more enjoyable.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,474 ✭✭✭✭CSF


    GiftofGab wrote: »
    Can’t believe there is so much talk about these price changes sites.

    The game is harder now that people can’t just pick players for the sake of gaining team value.

    With all these sites and forums you can be a great player without actually watching football.

    Now you have to pick players based on performance, form etc. It’s a gut instinct on when a player is likely to rise / fall and you as a player have to make a decision on when to buy / sell a player. Thus making the game all the more enjoyable.

    With such a lecture on how we can make the game harder for ourselves I'm pretty much expecting you to present 3 top 1k finishes to show how the game was previously too easy for you


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,022 ✭✭✭✭Iused2likebusts


    GiftofGab wrote: »
    Can’t believe there is so much talk about these price changes sites.

    The game is harder now that people can’t just pick players for the sake of gaining team value.

    With all these sites and forums you can be a great player without actually watching football.

    Now you have to pick players based on performance, form etc. It’s a gut instinct on when a player is likely to rise / fall and you as a player have to make a decision on when to buy / sell a player. Thus making the game all the more enjoyable.

    I agree with this at the end of the day if you make an early transfer you may get a price rise or a player may not fall. The downside is you have less data on injuries and team news. Late transfer more info but you may have missed out on a riser or lost some value. The main difference from last year is we don't know what day to make the transfer so if you like early transfers you need to do it a bit earlier in the week than previous years as a player may go up or fall when you don't expect it.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,872 ✭✭✭✭8-10


    Honestly it's only in the last 2 seasons that I've noticed third party price sites having a huge influence. Going back 6/7 years I'm pretty sure we were even more in the dark than we are today. Some people are complaining that they made a change but at the same time are saying that they should start supplying the information freely on the site - which would be a bigger change than what they did!

    In any case this is all internet outrage stuff, if people were genuinely put off by it they'd have stopped playing by now.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,262 ✭✭✭iroced


    Just to avoid a little confusion in the debate. Price rises/falls are not exclusively related with building up your team value. As 8-10 said it's only in the recent years that such emphasis has been put on that, especially in the last 2 years when FPL removed the weighting factors on rises/falls and players were rising/falling super fast (they even had to make a threshold to 3 rises/falls).

    I mean if you're just about to afford a player you now HAVE to get him in early. Because you have no reliable info on when he could rise. I think it's an important downside to the "new" system. And that's this lack of control I regret and don't like. Some find it more fun, Some think it's no big deal. Each opinion is as valuable as the others. And in fairness, we'll only really know in a couple of months how it affects or not the game.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,872 ✭✭✭✭8-10


    iroced wrote: »
    Just to avoid a little confusion in the debate. Price rises/falls are not exclusively related with building up your team value. As 8-10 said it's only in the recent years that such emphasis has been put on that, especially in the last 2 years when FPL removed the weighting factors on rises/falls and players were rising/falling super fast (they even had to make a threshold to 3 rises/falls).

    I mean if you're just about to afford a player you now HAVE to get him in early. Because you have no reliable info on when he could rise. I think it's an important downside to the "new" system. And that's this lack of control I regret and don't like. Some find it more fun, Some think it's no big deal. Each opinion is as valuable as the others. And in fairness, we'll only really know in a couple of months how it affects or not the game.

    Yeah I get that and it is a fair viewpoint. I'm just strong in my viewpoint that this reliable info is not really a fair situation as it was provided by third party sites, and the lack of it now makes the game more challenging.

    As I said earlier in the year, any changes that means that casual players will last longer through the season are good in my book. Others have the view that if you put in the effort throughout the year to track price changes and build team value to have the best possible team down the stretch, then you should be allowed to have an advantage over players who weren't as dedicated. Trust me I understand that viewpoint too and it's also valid.

    Personally I get no satisfaction of finishing ahead of ghost teams near the end of the season. My preference would be for everybody to stay active as long as possible. And FPL I would imagine are trying to do all they can to have players active throughout the year and increase the number of players year-on-year. What's important to them is hits on their website, and I'm sure they don't care a jot about website hits for the third party sites.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,022 ✭✭✭✭Iused2likebusts


    The news yesterday that fa cup 6th round games no longer clash with league games meaning less dgws is of much bigger significance in helping casuals than tweaks in the price changes.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,474 ✭✭✭✭CSF


    8-10 wrote: »
    Honestly it's only in the last 2 seasons that I've noticed third party price sites having a huge influence. Going back 6/7 years I'm pretty sure we were even more in the dark than we are today. Some people are complaining that they made a change but at the same time are saying that they should start supplying the information freely on the site - which would be a bigger change than what they did!

    In any case this is all internet outrage stuff, if people were genuinely put off by it they'd have stopped playing by now.
    If I remember correctly, going back that far there were no price changes.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,872 ✭✭✭✭8-10


    CSF wrote: »
    If I remember correctly, going back that far there were no price changes.

    Really? I have no recollection actually. Judging by my finishing positions back then I clearly wasn't paying much attention!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,411 ✭✭✭P.Walnuts


    Any indication if Ward-Prowse will drop before the weekend?

    Really don;t wanna lose 0.1 on him, but don't want to take a 4 point hit either


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,474 ✭✭✭✭CSF


    8-10 wrote: »
    Really? I have no recollection actually. Judging by my finishing positions back then I clearly wasn't paying much attention!

    Yeah I cant remember the timeframe but I know they weren't always around


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,872 ✭✭✭✭8-10


    CSF wrote: »
    Yeah I cant remember the timeframe but I know they weren't always around

    Well the website goes back to 2006/7 and you can see the finishing prices for each player each season if you click on their info and go to the 'History' tab

    Shows Rooney at 12.2 and Drogba at 11.8 in that season so that suggests there were price movements.

    2006/7 was the first season I played FPL, no idea before that


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,337 ✭✭✭G1032


    As of 20:45 tonight

    FISO:
    FISO.png

    FPLStatistics
    FPLStatistics.jpg

    So they are pretty much agreed that Ivanovic, Forster and Fabregas are very close to rising and might even do so tonight although FPLStatistics have yet to put anyone over the 100% threshold.

    FPLStatistics have Rose at 98% of the way to a rise while FISO have him at just 27%.
    How do they have almost the same percentages give or take a few either way for Fab, Ivan and Forster but be so far apart on Danny Rose????? Makes no sense.

    Shawcross, Cissokho and Heaton are in the top 10 to rise on both sites also.
    Senderos and Downing are 11th and 12th on FPLStatistics

    TotalFPL seems to be a total mess and there is nothing to be gained from looking at that site at the moment.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,337 ✭✭✭G1032


    P.Walnuts wrote: »
    Any indication if Ward-Prowse will drop before the weekend?

    Really don;t wanna lose 0.1 on him, but don't want to take a 4 point hit either

    -85% on FISO
    +27 on FPLStatisics

    Make what you will of that!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,748 ✭✭✭Swiper the fox


    G1032 wrote: »
    As of 20:45 tonight

    FISO:
    FISO.png

    FPLStatistics
    FPLStatistics.jpg

    So they are pretty much agreed that Ivanovic, Forster and Fabregas are very close to rising and might even do so tonight although FPLStatistics have yet to put anyone over the 100% threshold.

    FPLStatistics have Rose at 98% of the way to a rise while FISO have him at just 27%.
    How do they have almost the same percentages give or take a few either way for Fab, Ivan and Forster but be so far apart on Danny Rose????? Makes no sense.

    Shawcross, Cissokho and Heaton are in the top 10 to rise on both sites also.
    Senderos and Downing are 11th and 12th on FPLStatistics

    TotalFPL seems to be a total mess and there is nothing to be gained from looking at that site at the moment.

    The forum is always good for a laugh. There was some very insightful commentary on the Scottish referendum last week:rolleyes::pac:

    Seriously though, last season they seemed to be the ones with their fingers exactly on the pulse, wonder what's going on there?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,337 ✭✭✭G1032


    The forum is always good for a laugh. There was some very insightful commentary on the Scottish referendum last week:rolleyes::pac:

    Seriously though, last season they seemed to be the ones with their fingers exactly on the pulse, wonder what's going on there?

    :) Never looked at their forum tbh!! Sounds interesting!

    But ya, last year they had it bang on and FISO was all over the place. I think the guys who used to do the FISO one gave up that responsibility at the beginning of last season and the guys who took over didn't really know what was going on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,337 ✭✭✭G1032


    Forster up to 5.1
    Fabregas up to 9.5
    No increase for Ivanovic

    Fallers include Lovren and Fletcher


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,083 ✭✭✭Chesty08


    G1032 wrote: »
    Forster up to 5.1
    Fabregas up to 9.5
    No increase for Ivanovic

    Fallers include Lovren and Fletcher

    Will Ivanovic hurry up & rise so I can bank the 0.1 & get Baines in


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,318 ✭✭✭✭Menas


    8-10 wrote: »
    Well the website goes back to 2006/7 and you can see the finishing prices for each player each season if you click on their info and go to the 'History' tab

    Shows Rooney at 12.2 and Drogba at 11.8 in that season so that suggests there were price movements.

    2006/7 was the first season I played FPL, no idea before that

    I am playing FPL since the 2002/3 season and there were price changes back then. But I have no idea when FPL started or when the price changes started.
    On some old floppy disks in the attic I have some data scrapes from that era.
    RvN was the man to have!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,872 ✭✭✭✭8-10


    I am playing FPL since the 2002/3 season and there were price changes back then. But I have no idea when FPL started or when the price changes started.
    On some old floppy disks in the attic I have some data scrapes from that era.
    RvN was the man to have!

    Did you ever play the ones in the 90's from the paper? You'd set your team up by using a touchtone landline phone and entering the code published for each player. You could make changes by dialling up again but it was £5 a pop or something crazy.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,411 ✭✭✭P.Walnuts


    8-10 wrote: »
    Did you ever play the ones in the 90's from the paper? You'd set your team up by using a touchtone landline phone and entering the code published for each player. You could make changes by dialling up again but it was £5 a pop or something crazy.

    I played the sunday times one where you sent your team in the post! Transfers also had to be done by post, some pain in the hoop :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 784 ✭✭✭FrClintPower


    8-10 wrote: »
    Did you ever play the ones in the 90's from the paper? You'd set your team up by using a touchtone landline phone and entering the code published for each player. You could make changes by dialling up again but it was £5 a pop or something crazy.

    Claim to fame time - I won the first Irish Indo Fantasy Football back in 94/95. Touch-tone phones to select your team and only one transfer per season! My transfer was Stefan Schwarz out, Brian Roy in, gained me 1 extra point and I won by a single point so an absolute master-stroke!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,872 ✭✭✭✭8-10


    Claim to fame time - I won the first Irish Indo Fantasy Football back in 94/95. Touch-tone phones to select your team and only one transfer per season! My transfer was Stefan Schwarz out, Brian Roy in, gained me 1 extra point and I won by a single point so an absolute master-stroke!
    Shearer and Cole up front?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 784 ✭✭✭FrClintPower


    8-10 wrote: »
    Shearer and Cole up front?

    I can't remember the whole team, but you picked 14 who all scored for you - 2 GKs, and 4 defs, mids and forwards. Definitely had Shearer and Cole alright, Mark Crossley was one of my keepers, and a great midfield of Ruel Fox, Jason Wilcox, Andrei Kanchelskis and Brian Roy/Stefan Schwarz.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,872 ✭✭✭✭8-10


    I can't remember the whole team, but you picked 14 who all scored for you - 2 GKs, and 4 defs, mids and forwards. Definitely had Shearer and Cole alright, Mark Crossley was one of my keepers, and a great midfield of Ruel Fox, Jason Wilcox, Andrei Kanchelskis and Brian Roy/Stefan Schwarz.

    I probably played the same one. What was the prize?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,318 ✭✭✭✭Menas


    8-10 wrote: »
    Did you ever play the ones in the 90's from the paper? You'd set your team up by using a touchtone landline phone and entering the code published for each player. You could make changes by dialling up again but it was £5 a pop or something crazy.

    In season 95/96 or perhaps 96/97 we had a work league going. We used to use the players and prices from the Irish independent FF game. Every week one of us had to manually add the player scores to an excel file and email the updated league table to the other members.
    No transfers or any of that malarkey. I won it that year thanks to a Fowler double on the last day of the season.

    Jeez, am I nearly 20 years playing fantasy footie? Sigh.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 932 ✭✭✭Markx


    8-10 wrote: »
    Shearer and Cole up front?

    If I have the right season I remember Stuart Pearce and Alan Wright being absolute monsters. Had to find someone whose dad had bought the paper after school on a Wednesday. Simpler times.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,510 ✭✭✭Shedite27


    I remember playing one back in the day which was all paper based (small office). Use to send everything in on paper, transfers cost 50p I remember


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