Group of Irish J1 Students trash San Fran rental house, then leave the country

NIMAN · 23-09-2014 02:52PM

prizefighter wrote: »

It isn't WORLD news, it is just news from a specific location relevant to the population of another. It isn't on the same scale as ISIS or the Ebola epidemic but it IS a local interest story in San Fran and in turn of interest to Irish people and how they are perceived internationally. It's probably not getting a great deal of coverage in Chile or Germany right now.

Was it not on CNN?

h2005 · 23-09-2014 03:18PM

kneemos wrote: »

The news station has one side of the story like the rest of us,no doubt it was careful not to make any direct allegations.

The bottom line is the Irish group were in a house that was damaged at some stage,either before or after they left,by persons unknown.

I thought you'd seen pictures that proves they didn't do it?

prizefighter · 23-09-2014 03:35PM

NIMAN wrote: »

Was it not on CNN?

Not that I know of.

cookie24 · 23-09-2014 03:43PM

At least the Irish community over there is rallying to repair the damage, and also to help 'track down' the perpetrators

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/irish-in-san-francisco-offer-help-to-owner-of-trashed-house-1.1938585

kneemos · 23-09-2014 04:41PM

Paddy Cow wrote: »

Didn't they say it was a party that got out of hand before they left? Hardly persons unknown if they're willing to admit to that much.

Also said there was 50 at the party.
They also said they had pictures to prove there was no damage done.

So basically tiny bits of varying information.As I say nobody knows what happened .

Wompa1 · 23-09-2014 04:48PM

kneemos wrote: »

Also said there was 50 at the party.
They also said they had pictures to prove there was no damage done.

So basically tiny bits of varying information.As I say nobody knows what happened .

The Landlady said, she went to check the apartment 2 days before their lease was up for a spot check. So, if you choose to believe her. Which I do, it is the responsibility of the lad that signed the lease. 50 people or 5, his a$$ should be on the hook.

kneemos · 23-09-2014 04:52PM

Wompa1 wrote: »

The Landlady said, she went to check the apartment 2 days before their lease was up for a spot check. So, if you choose to believe her. Which I do, it is the responsibility of the lad that signed the lease. 50 people or 5, his a$$ should be on the hook.

There was also varying reports about who had the lease.

Paul_Hacket · 23-09-2014 07:56PM

The guy whose name was on the arrest envelope in the original report has spoken to the Irish Times so his name is now a matter of public record. He denies being on the original lease, as if that will absolve him, and is whining about somehow being "defamed". He says he has offered to pay for repairs. I wonder if he was going to make this generous offer before this story became front page news?

Honestly, reading some of the above justifications for these gobshyte's behavior reminds me of why I would never consider renting to J1ers in NYC where I live. I know that most of them are fine but there is an unfortunate subset who seem to have been raised on a diet of reality TV and who think being a professional wanker is some sort of performance art. If these would have admitted that they screwed up and offered a full apology that would be one thing, instead they're trying to blame others and whining. Frigging millennials.

pedro1234 · 23-09-2014 08:45PM

I really couldn't give two shites about their names being released; they have no legs to stand on trying to argue that case. In America, the names of people who commit crimes are always released over here. Every week you'll see names published of people who were done for drunk driving, assault, etc etc. They also publish the names of individuals the police need to speak to. Tough titties there. If you were so worried about being defamed you wouldn't have destroyed an apartment and done a runner. You've made your bed, now lay in it.

Electric Sheep · 23-09-2014 08:45PM

Some people just don't know when to stop digging the hole.

cookie24 · 23-09-2014 09:51PM

Electric Sheep wrote: »

Some people just don't know when to stop digging the hole.

what gets bigger the more you take out of it?

loh_oro · 23-09-2014 10:52PM

The group responsible should be ashamed of themselves. The state that house was in was beyond belief. Kicked out of college, pay all damages, fine on top and banned from the US is the only way to deal scum like this. Its about time we adopted a zero tolerance policy for this sort of behavior.

rawn · 23-09-2014 10:54PM

loh_oro wrote: »

Kicked out of college, pay all damages, fine on top and banned from the US is the only way to deal scum like this.

Woah.

tomwaterford · 23-09-2014 11:01PM

loh_oro wrote: »

The group responsible should be ashamed of themselves. The state that house was in was beyond belief. Kicked out of college, pay all damages, fine on top and banned from the US is the only way to deal scum like this. Its about time we adopted a zero tolerance policy for this sort of behavior.

why would you kick them out of collage??

loh_oro · 23-09-2014 11:04PM

tomwaterford wrote: »

why would you kick them out of collage??

I doubt any college wants scum like that representing them. Why should they be allowed get free fees (they clearly don't deserve them) and what not when they go off to america, and take advantage of someone being very generous to them by totally destroying her property and then running away.

tomwaterford · 23-09-2014 11:07PM

loh_oro wrote: »

I doubt any college wants scum like that representing them. Why should they be allowed get free fees (they clearly don't deserve them) and what not when they go off to america, and take advantage of someone being very generous to them by totally destroying her property and then running away.

but the collage is not sending them to America??

im not doubting what they did was wrong...just couldn't see why a collage would bother to intervene??
if that was the case there would be some issues in Waterford with wit....I think the collages would be better off to mind what happens in there locality no mind halfway across the world

h2005 · 23-09-2014 11:09PM

*College

Paulownia · 24-09-2014 10:39AM

Would be nice to know who they all were, apart from the one who left the envelope behind, and what school they went to and who their parents are

Brendan Flowers · 24-09-2014 11:57AM

Paulownia wrote: »

Would be nice to know who they all were, apart from the one who left the envelope behind, and what school they went to and who their parents are

Yes, then people on the likes of Boards and Reddit can start a proper witch-hunt...

I'm sure those who were involved in damaging the house will receive their punishments. No need for keyboard warriors to get involved.

Paulownia · 24-09-2014 12:14PM

just interested to know where not to send my children to school!

anncoates · 24-09-2014 12:26PM

Bunch of clowns for destroying a house, whoever did it. Make them pay fully for the damage and leave it at that.

Some people seem to get almost aroused on the buzz of mob outrage and campaigns against people online.

Paulownia · 24-09-2014 12:35PM

anncoates wrote: »

Bunch of clowns for destroying a house, whoever did it. Make them pay fully for the damage and leave it at that.

Some people seem to get almost aroused o the buzz of mob outrage and campaigns against people online.

Talk about overreaction! Maybe you are one of their mammies, that you feel the need to defend them. Clowns they are not, they harmed someones property and walked away not expecting that the owner would have any recourse and that they would be able to resume their lives in Ireland without anybody knowing and it has all gone wonderfully wrong for them. Had they owned up before leaving and made good the damage then your comment might be justified, as it is only the publicity is causing them to pay up

anncoates · 24-09-2014 12:42PM

Paulownia wrote: »

Talk about overreaction! Maybe you are one of their mammies, that you feel the need to defend them.

Ironically, you sound exactly like the screeching mammy you are purporting to identify.

My wife is a landlord by the way. If these clowns wrecked the house, i'd want them to pay for every bit of damage and perhaps clatter them if I got my hands on them but I'd have no interest in trying to destroy their lives in some kind of mob internet campaign.

Egginacup · 24-09-2014 01:02PM

loh_oro wrote: »

I doubt any college wants scum like that representing them. Why should they be allowed get free fees (they clearly don't deserve them) and what not when they go off to america, and take advantage of someone being very generous to them by totally destroying her property and then running away.

Are you serious? Didn't take long for someone to bring up "taxpayer's money" bullsh1t.

First off....what have they done to warrant being kicked out of college? You get expelled from college for generally committing offences IN college, be they criminal or morally reprehensibile like cheating on exams, hacking computer systems, etc. Not for trashing someone's house on another continent.
And how do you know they are getting free fees [sic]?
In fact how do you even know they trashed the house?
If they did they are scumbags but I don't know why the bloody Irish embassy is getting involved and calling for their banning from the US. This isn't a diplomatic matter, nor is it a matter for customs and immigration.

Egginacup · 24-09-2014 01:09PM

Paulownia wrote: »

Talk about overreaction! Maybe you are one of their mammies, that you feel the need to defend them. Clowns they are not, they harmed someones property and walked away not expecting that the owner would have any recourse and that they would be able to resume their lives in Ireland without anybody knowing and it has all gone wonderfully wrong for them. Had they owned up before leaving and made good the damage then your comment might be justified, as it is only the publicity is causing them to pay up

Do you even know if they wrecked the house. You've seen damage to houses that were advertised on social media and gatecrashed by hundreds. The places are fit to be condemned after a mob have at it. It's very possible also that these students threw a party and they lost control of the people who came and those people trashed the place. Knowing that I couldn't pay for the damage and might wind up in jail for years (you know how the Americans are....they lock people up for years for jaywalking) I'd flee the country too.

Paulownia · 24-09-2014 01:25PM

Egginacup wrote: »

Do you even know if they wrecked the house. You've seen damage to houses that were advertised on social media and gatecrashed by hundreds. The places are fit to be condemned after a mob have at it. It's very possible also that these students threw a party and they lost control of the people who came and those people trashed the place. Knowing that I couldn't pay for the damage and might wind up in jail for years (you know how the Americans are....they lock people up for years for jaywalking) I'd flee the country too.

have a look at the film, the house was wrecked. Only for the publicity they would never have paid, thanks to a reader who sent me a PM I now know the identity of some of them and they do come from comfortable middle class backgrounds with private schools and third level education. Had the lady not gone public she would have ended up footing the bill herself. As for Ann Coates, suggesting he would have beaten them up if it had been his wife's house, he would not have had the opportunity as they had flown

Peist2007 · 24-09-2014 01:37PM

I don't think expulsion from college is the way to go but the argument in favour of it would be that they were on a J1. Can people get J1's if not in college? Therefore the college or a higher educational authority (whatever it is called these days) could in theory use that as a reason to expel them

Pro Hoc Vice · 24-09-2014 01:39PM

Mr.S wrote: »

It has nothing to do with the college(s), cop on.

The rules of all such institutions I am aware of would disagree with you.

http://www.tcd.ie/registrar/assets/documents/statutes/60.2-Student-Conduct-and-Capacity_Schedule_2.pdf

"Disciplinary offences to which this Schedule applies shall include breaches or attempted breaches of the criminal law and of College regulations (including those set out in the Calendar), whether committed inside or outside the College, including but not limited to
(a) activity which brings the College into disrepute,"

kneemos · 24-09-2014 01:40PM

Egginacup wrote: »

Do you even know if they wrecked the house. You've seen damage to houses that were advertised on social media and gatecrashed by hundreds. The places are fit to be condemned after a mob have at it. It's very possible also that these students threw a party and they lost control of the people who came and those people trashed the place. Knowing that I couldn't pay for the damage and might wind up in jail for years (you know how the Americans are....they lock people up for years for jaywalking) I'd flee the country too.

Trying to reason or present facts around here appears to be rather futile I'm afraid.

Egginacup · 24-09-2014 02:23PM

Paulownia wrote: »

have a look at the film, the house was wrecked. Only for the publicity they would never have paid, thanks to a reader who sent me a PM I now know the identity of some of them and they do come from comfortable middle class backgrounds with private schools and third level education. Had the lady not gone public she would have ended up footing the bill herself. As for Ann Coates, suggesting he would have beaten them up if it had been his wife's house, he would not have had the opportunity as they had flown

I can see the pictures....yes the house is wrecked. And yes they are responsible for the house as they were left in charge....but they my not have done it as it may have been done by party gate crashers. Doesn't excuse anything and they are still responsible. It's that there are two possibilities:

1. They are scumbags (and well-off scumbags according to you) who did it deliberately for a laugh and then absconded back to their daddies in Ireland.

2. They lost control of a party, gate crashers wrecked the place and the Irish guys panicked and fled after the damage was done.

In the case of 1. They should have to book thrown at them, although I don't know what the "book" constitutes in this case.

In the case of 2. I would be more lenient but would still expect them to be punished somehow.

In both cases they should make good the damage.

I don't see how this constitutes a ban from entering a country. That's a rather stupid, knee-jerk notion. There's probably people calling for them to be put on no-fly lists, labelled domestic terrorists and sent to Gitmo, and all other such claptrap.

Group of Irish J1 Students trash San Fran rental house, then leave the country

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