Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2014 - Mod Note in OP, 1/09

Fescue · 21-09-2014 08:29PM

If they arrest and charge some of these people and shame them in public, it might prevent others from doing something similar. That can only be good.

Fescue · 21-09-2014 08:31PM

Will I Amnt wrote: »

I think some of you are misunderstanding me. It's a nothing story in a football related context, there is no moral high ground to be taken here. Liverpool have racist fans, United have racist fans, every club in the league has racist fans. There are c*nts everywhere.

This really has nothing to do with the allegiance of the supporters who tweeted it. I don't think anyone is making this an anti-united thing. It's just pretty sickening when a player gets that kind of vitriol from racist scum.

Augmerson · 21-09-2014 08:34PM

Will I Amnt wrote: »

I think some of you are misunderstanding me. It's a nothing story in a football related context, there is no moral high ground to be taken here. Liverpool have racist fans, United have racist fans, every club in the league has racist fans. There are c*nts everywhere.

Can I ask you Will, would you involve the Police in the matter if you were Balotelli? Would you remove or ban these users from Twitter if you were working for Twitter?

Will I Amnt · 21-09-2014 08:35PM

Fescue wrote: »

This really has nothing to do with the allegiance of the supporters who tweeted it. I don't think anyone is making this an anti-united thing. It's just pretty sickening when a player gets that kind of vitriol from racist scum.

Just find it weird how people are so shocked by it. Sadly, I'd be more surprised if it didn't happen.

BMMachine · 21-09-2014 08:35PM

rarnes1 wrote: »

Why are you saying I should ignore them? They didn't racially abuse me? I merely posted the story which bizarrely you are just taking exception to.

as I said, you seemed to be posting it in this nonchalant manner of "oh look at the racist united fans.." and use it as a stick to get a cheap pop. I'm also 99% sure I'm not wrong about that but I have no doubt you will deny it, its the nature of internet communication

and what I'm saying is that these racists CAN be ignored. they CAN be risen above. endless police investigations won't stop the problem. Users actively ignoring them will. You can block them and you can make it so they are pissing in the wind. Giving them air time only encourages it.

oh and that goes for the media too. if they really had a moral conscience (which lets be fair, we know they don't) they would be going for better ways of dealing with this scourge rather than packaging it and selling it to you.

Will I Amnt · 21-09-2014 08:37PM

Augmerson wrote: »

Can I ask you Will, would you involve the Police in the matter if you were Balotelli? Would you remove or ban these users from Twitter if you were working for Twitter?

Yes. Their names are there to be traced and should get whatever punishment is deemed appropriate but I just don't like when people use this kind of thing to take the moral high ground.

Fescue · 21-09-2014 08:39PM

Will I Amnt wrote: »

Just find it weird how people are so shocked by it. Sadly, I'd be more surprised if it didn't happen.

I honestly was shocked when I read it. It might just be me. I didn't realise this went on when players of different ethnic backgrounds posted stuff on Twitter. I expect the usual barage of expletives but that was shocking.

If the police are doing something about it, thats a good thing no?

21-09-2014 08:42PM

BMMachine wrote: »

as I said, you seemed to be posting it in this nonchalant manner of "oh look at the racist united fans.." and use it as a stick to get a cheap pop. I'm also 99% sure I'm not wrong about that but I have no doubt you will deny it, its the nature of internet communication
and what I'm saying is that these racists CAN be ignored. they CAN be risen above. endless police investigations won't stop the problem. Users actively ignoring them will. You can block them and you can make it so they are pissing in the wind. Giving them air time only encourages it.

Well you're 99% wrong, if I was 12 maybe. Believe it or not not everything revolves around man utd, particularly in this thread. Always had you pegged for a pool fan actually.

You are just digging a hole with your ignore racism stuff btw. Certainly shouldn't be ignored. Name and shame.

5starpool · 21-09-2014 08:42PM

Can we discuss something else? This argument is tedious.

Will I Amnt · 21-09-2014 08:45PM

Fescue wrote: »

I honestly was shocked when I read it. It might just be me. I didn't realise this went on when players of different ethnic backgrounds posted stuff on Twitter. I expect the usual barage of expletives but that was shocking.

If the police are doing something about it, thats a good thing no?

Ah come on, you never read YouTube comments or anything like that. The Internet gives these cowardly knuckle draggers the freedom to get their hate across.

Augmerson · 21-09-2014 08:46PM

Will I Amnt wrote: »

Yes. Their names are there to be traced and should get whatever punishment is deemed appropriate but I just don't like when people use this kind of thing to take the moral high ground.

I don't really care for the moral high ground either but if you think these people should be brought to the attention of the law enforcement then I don't think it's a non-story. Hopefully they will, the less of that ****e in the world the better.

Fescue · 21-09-2014 08:48PM

Will I Amnt wrote: »

Ah come on, you never read YouTube comments or anything like that. The Internet gives these cowardly knuckle draggers the freedom to get their hate across.

I do sometimes and have seen plenty of horrendous stuff. But some of these people had their names and pictures beside their comments. I guess that makes it more real.

8-10 · 21-09-2014 08:48PM

5starpool wrote: »

Can we discuss something else? This argument is tedious.

Tuesday night perhaps? I'd play Enrique to give Moreno a rest but I think Lovren and Sakho should start to get more playing time together. Markovic HAS to start, I have to say I'm impressed with his pace but that is it. I'm already worrying about him, I think he probably will make it but he has to start bedding in soon. Lallana and Lambert also should get 90mins together.

Fescue · 21-09-2014 08:51PM

8-10 wrote: »

Tuesday night perhaps? I'd play Enrique to give Moreno a rest but I think Lovren and Sakho should start to get more playing time together. Markovic HAS to start, I have to say I'm impressed with his pace but that is it. I'm already worrying about him, I think he probably will make it but he has to start bedding in soon. Lallana and Lambert also should get 90mins together.

I'm like a broken record but Sakho won't be first choice at Liverpool. Skrtel and Lovren to start.

5starpool · 21-09-2014 08:53PM

5starpool wrote: »

On Tuesday I reckon we'll line out something like:

Jones
Enrique
Sakho
Toure
Manquillo (unless McLaughlin makes the step up)
Henderson
Lucas
Suso
Markovic
Lambert
Borini

Still a reasonably strong team, but might be a bit disjointed having not played together at all really.

8-10 wrote: »

Tuesday night perhaps? I'd play Enrique to give Moreno a rest but I think Lovren and Sakho should start to get more playing time together. Markovic HAS to start, I have to say I'm impressed with his pace but that is it. I'm already worrying about him, I think he probably will make it but he has to start bedding in soon. Lallana and Lambert also should get 90mins together.

Ya, I posted the team I think it'll be earlier. I don't think we'll see a first choice defence playing, even if it is a good idea.

BMMachine · 21-09-2014 08:53PM

rarnes1 wrote: »

Well you're 99% wrong, if I was 12 maybe. Believe it or not not everything revolves around man utd, particularly in this thread. Always had you pegged for a pool fan actually.

You are just digging a hole with your ignore racism stuff btw. Certainly shouldn't be ignored. Name and shame.

I'm talking about racism on the internet, which is absolutely rife with it. I don't really care if you see me as digging a hole, I'm looking at the bigger picture here and forever chasing down morons slapping their wrists (which is what will happen) won't change a thing. If theres racist chants at games, yeah, absolutely chase these morons down but the internet is a different kettle of fish in these terms. Attention seeking, trolling and anger based extremism are the most common causes of this behaviour imo and the best medicine? blocking, ignoring and rising above it.

21-09-2014 08:57PM

BMMachine wrote: »

I'm talking about racism on the internet, which is absolutely rife with it. I don't really care if you see me as digging a hole, I'm looking at the bigger picture here and forever chasing down morons slapping their wrists (which is what will happen) won't change a thing. If theres racist chants at games, yeah, absolutely chase these morons down but the internet is a different kettle of fish in these terms. Attention seeking, trolling and anger based extremism are the most common causes of this behaviour imo and the best medicine? blocking, ignoring and rising above it.

I think you are arguing with yourself at this stage. Carry on, my head hurts!

8-10 · 21-09-2014 08:57PM

Fescue wrote: »

I'm like a broken record but Sakho won't be first choice at Liverpool. Skrtel and Lovren to start.

It's the league cup 3rd round in September, at home to lower league opposition. I wouldn't be starting all first choice players. Skrtel is just coming back from injury so I'd give him the rest. The other 2 will need to be able to play together occasionally so this is a chance for more experience of it, I'm more worried about this pairing than Skrtel + one of them. Trust me, we'll see all 3 of those pairings at some stage this season

21-09-2014 08:59PM

Fescue wrote: »

I'm like a broken record but Sakho won't be first choice at Liverpool. Skrtel and Lovren to start.

You were banging the anti Sahko drum proudly yesterday before the game alright!

Can't blame him for the first two goals. The other two were poor. Lovern has been very disappointing so far imo

8-10 · 21-09-2014 09:00PM

rarnes1 wrote: »

You were banging the anti Sahko drum proudly yesterday before the game alright!

Can't blame him for the first two goals. The other two were poor. Lovern has been very disappointing so far imo

I agree with this but I still think Skrtel and Lovren will be the first choice for the big games this year when fit. Lovren needs to start playing soon though

Fescue · 21-09-2014 09:03PM

rarnes1 wrote: »

You were banging the anti Sahko drum proudly yesterday before the game alright!

Can't blame him for the first two goals. The other two were poor. Lovern has been very disappointing so far imo

I'm getting sick of listening to myself go on about it. Skrtel didn't exactly cover himself in glory either.

My very last word on Sakho, then I'll drop it.

He came on, gave a suicidal pass to Skrtel in the box, almost decapitated Lovren and was the main cause of the last goal with a ridiculous header.

He is not good enough.

mada999 · 21-09-2014 09:05PM

Bowlardo wrote: »

Lucas needs to be off loaded to italy ion January. Lovely player in his day but his legs are completely gone and he offers nothing anymore. The italian pace would be fine for him but he is not able for the premier league anymore.
The midfield is the problem. Gerard has to go. The man is a legend but he has to go from midfield. he's legs are gone and no he should not play centre back, throughout his career he has proven terrible at tracking runs. Is that not why rafa moved him forward as gerard could not do the defensive part of the game correctly. If he had the lags i'd play him right back for the cross but don't think he is capable of that either
If we don't get 4th this year we are ****ed. I don't think we are going to unearth another suares anytime soon.
Mignolet is ****. There is a serious problem with liverpool goal keeper. they come to the club good and end up ****. This can be every keeper that has been there for the last 10 years. Can we just sign whoever celtics goal keepers coaches are as they have consistently made keeper better than the actually were.
We are going to get a trimming off everton next week. Moreno will be caught up in no mans land at some stage and the have coleman and mcgeady to exploit us on the right side.

Be interesting how the reserve team go against the boro during the week

Also sterling needs a major kick upn the whole . he was **** yesterday

here comesd Honey Boo Boo...

BMMachine · 21-09-2014 09:05PM

rarnes1 wrote: »

I think you are arguing with yourself at this stage. Carry on, my head hurts!

I really don't see how what I said could be confusing. and I was replying to you, so what exactly do you mean 'arguing with yourself'? maybe its this kind of communication that would lead me to think you were looking for cheap pops when you originally posted the articles

21-09-2014 09:05PM

8-10 wrote: »

I agree with this but I still think Skrtel and Lovren will be the first choice for the big games this year when fit. Lovren needs to start playing soon though

Lovern will improve I think.

Sakho first choice for me and Lovren in beside him.

Charlie19 · 21-09-2014 09:07PM

Fescue wrote: »

I'm like a broken record but Sakho won't be first choice at Liverpool. Skrtel and Lovren to start.

I'd agree.

Even Rodgers commented on how difficult it was for Loveren to switch to the opposite side of defense due to the injury to Skrtel, that would lead me to believe that Rodgers likes to have a balance in the CB pairing.

mada999 · 21-09-2014 09:07PM

Agent Coulson wrote: »

Lallana when he came on was half decent coming back from injury.

punters will be saying at Christmas " he's only coming back from injury".. needs to step up imo

Fescue · 21-09-2014 09:10PM

rarnes1 wrote: »

Lovern will improve I think.

Sakho first choice for me and Lovren in beside him.

I would consider looking to sign a right sided centre back in January. A proven defender. I think Lovren has something about him and will come good. He's a very good footballer also.

The rest are meh.

21-09-2014 09:16PM

BMMachine wrote: »

I really don't see how what I said could be confusing. and I was replying to you, so what exactly do you mean 'arguing with yourself'? maybe its this kind of communication that would lead me to think you were looking for cheap pops when you originally posted the articles

Look, I posted an article about Balotelli being abused.

You have said twice now I posted it as a cheap pop at Utd fans despite this being the Liverpool thread. Seems you just want an argument tbh.

You think anyone else wants to read it? I'm out

klose · 21-09-2014 09:21PM

rarnes1 wrote: »

Lovern will improve I think.

Sakho first choice for me and Lovren in beside him.

Yup skrtel is what he is and isn't going to get any better, lovren and sakho have room for improvement, i think it makes sense to play both.

Demosthenese · 21-09-2014 09:26PM

Fescue wrote: »

I'm getting sick of listening to myself go on about it. Skrtel didn't exactly cover himself in glory either.

My very last word on Sakho, then I'll drop it.

He came on, gave a suicidal pass to Skrtel in the box, almost decapitated Lovren and was the main cause of the last goal with a ridiculous header.

He is not good enough.

Not good enough why? Based on one game? Based on many games? The question is why can he do it for France (And he does) and not for Liverpool? Why can Lovern do it for his country and not for Liverpool? Why do teams all of a sudden think they can do Liverpool over like it was 10 years ago and we had a soft centre? Why do our centre halves get bullied by aggressive attackers? Why do our players - Hendo yerterday/Skrtle/Lovern/Sahko when defending a corner/free kick grab hold of the opposition and get too carried away with assaulting the opposition instead of watching the flight of the ball and actually WINNING the f***ing header???

Its not rocket science ... in fact go out to LSL senior league on a sunday morning and see the most basic of defenders do it.

It's not acceptable to do what Liverpool do. To have an image of a soft centre and one that opposition managers come out afterwards and talk about "tactics to get at Liverpool" which includes lobbing high balls in on top of their centre halves and pressing Gerard. That happens in every game ... Do they say that about Chelsea/City??? No ... cos Kompany/Terry wouldn't be bullied like that.

Yes it comes down to the players that are directly involved - BUT - i also think Rodgers needs to address this characteristic before it becomes an underlying problem of the season.

Liverpool have an absolutely HUGE game this week against Everton and i'd say Lukaku is chomping at the bit to get at us. It's time to stand up and be counted. All of a sudden BR is making strange decisions (Lucas/Borini) are prime examples. It's certainly interesting times.

Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2014 - Mod Note in OP, 1/09

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