Ukraine: As it happens.

mmmcake wrote: »

I understand its a huge shock to the system, but the "west" is in the wrong in this conflict.
I have Uk and American relations, get on great with them,have gone on holiday there and loved every minute of it, in fact i would class myself as a fan of the UK/USA lifestyle.
But unlike some posters here, people in the UK/USA can see this conflict is entirely made by the west.
Its easy for you to say fight Russia, but none of you will be fighting.
Ask a UK/USA Citizen and they will be less "Rambo" with their reaction to the Ukraine problem.

Still today 21 september 14 the west media and government has not shown us conclusive proof of a russian invasion of the Ukraine,where is the proof?(Facebook,twitter,youtube don't count).

Google earth has better photos of the ukraine than the pentagon?
Show us in the west the proof of a Russian invasion of the Ukraine .
Until the west backs up its claim of invasion with proof we are relying on the Kiev government as a reliable source.
The kiev government wants to built a wall to defend against russia and has said russia has used nukes against them!
Does this sound like the voice of a rational government?

Let's face it, this conflict is being fought on a high propaganda profile with a dearth of real facts. Not many west of this catastrophe really care about the ethnic cleansing occurring in the Ukraine atm, because the media is not telling them to.
As an example, the day of the MH17 crash, Sky News concurrently ran the story of a new investigation into Alex Litvinenko's death(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Litvinenko), this was the first and last that we heard of this new investigation, even though it was headline news on that day.
But it was a desirable tactic to prompt a connection in viewers brains between Russia and tactical warfare.
BTW no link has ever been found to associate Litvinenko's death to Russian intervention. Why would they use such an obvious and traceable method which reeks of the western perception of how Ruskies operate, it's comical, which is why the new investigation suddenly dis-appeared, the next day in fact, (because it had served it's purpose).

We have witnessed how an upsurge of western support (despite years of propaganda), has helped Gazians, we need to do the same for the people of Donbass before it is too late.

It's ok lads soon people from Russia could find they can't participate in forums like this because their beloved leader and his cronies have decided to cut them off from the world.

Russia's Security Council will convene on Monday to discuss the government's ability to isolate the Russian segment of the internet from the global network during times of crisis, such as military action or foreign-sponsored protests, Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov said Friday, confirming earlier speculation in Russian media.

http://www.themoscowtimes.com/business/article/putin-seeks-ways-to-cut-russia-off-from-the-internet/507449.html

LOL Russia is turning itself into North Korea.

It is hard to tell truth from propaganda in this conflict. One must look at all the presented information and decide for ones self what the 'truth' is.
Crimea was handed to Ukraine on a whim in the 50's I think. There was no referendum or effort to seek the peoples view on the matter. But then there was no referendum on it's absorbtion into the old Russian empire either, I'm sure the original Tatars would have had a view.
When the old USSR broke up, Crimea was part of Ukraine and agreements in relation to the Russian fleet base were made. In fact, as long as there was a Russian backed administration in Ukraine there appears to have been no problem with Crimea being Ukrainian. There was even an international agreement between Russia and Ukraine (and others) on decomissioning Ukraine's nuclear weapons, that agreement was with a Ukraine which included Crimea.
Then came the move towards Europe, swiftly followed by a 'referendum' in Crimea. Russia denied any involvement in the events at the time, but later we saw Putin on Russian TV in Crimea congratulating his troops who had 'facilitated' the 'referendum'. Had he been as facilitating of other popular movements, especially in Chechnia and Ingushetia, one might have come to different conclusions. He wasn't, I didn't. It was a land grab, just like in Georgia.