Football Fan Palestine Flag

Paz-CCFC · 13-09-2014 11:40AM

EunanMac wrote: »

Surely if it's multiculturalism there should be union jacks and the star of David as well, or is it really about trying to infect a sport that has nothing to do with politics ?

People go to sport to get away from bullshyte and politics, not to be surrounded by more of it.

If you want to go ahead and bring a Union Flag to the Cross, go ahead. I won't complain.

Don't try and taint the Family Enclosure, some of the most loyal fans of football and sport, by saying they "infect" a sport for trying to bring a bit of colour and broad minds to the matches.

Cienciano · 13-09-2014 11:41AM

major bill wrote: »

I seriously doubt anyway he was arrested over a flag more to do with his attitude i'd say when asked to hand it over

I'd like to see the start of the video myself, but why was he asked to hand it over? Do the gardai read all flags at a match and decide what's allowed?

As for policing at football grounds, anyone who goes knows how bad it is. Look at english football and the police all have their back to the game and are looking at the crowd. At LOI games the gardai are in little groups of 2 or 3 having a chat while looking at the game. They're an absolute waste of time.

thelad95 · 13-09-2014 11:52AM

Any eejit who decides to bring a Palestinian flag to a match obviously has no interest in the match. The video is completely circumstancial anyway. As people have said, he was probably getting abusive towards the Gardai which give them every right to arrest him.

And no, you do not have a right to make political statements at sporting events. Sport and politics shouldn't mix with each other. The FA in England and UEFA and FIFA always dish out punishment to clubs whose fans make political statements at games. But of course typically some Irish people think they're above that.

major bill · 13-09-2014 11:54AM

Cienciano wrote: »

I'd like to see the start of the video myself, but why was he asked to hand it over? Do the gardai read all flags at a match and decide what's allowed?

Yea I agree as I said in another post they are there to police games not act as enforcers for the FAI

has to be more to it and sadly the video only shows one side, I had no complaints with the Gards last night, I came in the gate with a very large, vocal and fairly pissed Bohs support and there was a bit a banter with the Gards so would like to know the full story.

Guy:Incognito · 13-09-2014 11:54AM

Cienciano wrote: »

I'd like to see the start of the video myself, but why was he asked to hand it over? Do the gardai read all flags at a match and decide what's allowed?

As for policing at football grounds, anyone who goes knows how bad it is. Look at english football and the police all have their back to the game and are looking at the crowd. At LOI games the gardai are in little groups of 2 or 3 having a chat while looking at the game. They're an absolute waste of time.

Why not get some large scale rioting and general crowd disturbance going for a few years where loads of people get injured, then the guards might have to keep an eye on you if thats what you really want. If they can get away with chatting and watching the match that's probably a good sign

Guy:Incognito · 13-09-2014 11:58AM

major bill wrote: »

has to be more to it and sadly the video only shows one side, I had no complaints with the Gards last night, I came in the gate with a very large, vocal and fairly pissed Bohs support and there was a bit a banter with the Gards so would like to know the full story.

They only ever show from where the start of the police "brutality" starts. Sure looks at any of the threads that have popped up from protests that have similar videos.

foggy_lad · 13-09-2014 12:05PM

The guy with the budgie voice holding the camera cursing & swearing and throwing his toys out of the pram sounds like a complete and utter cnut! His family must be so proud of him for being such a tramp and acting like that.

Paz-CCFC · 13-09-2014 12:07PM

Cienciano wrote: »

I'd like to see the start of the video myself, but why was he asked to hand it over? Do the gardai read all flags at a match and decide what's allowed?

As for policing at football grounds, anyone who goes knows how bad it is. Look at english football and the police all have their back to the game and are looking at the crowd. At LOI games the gardai are in little groups of 2 or 3 having a chat while looking at the game. They're an absolute waste of time.

To be fair to Gardaí at LoI matches, I prefer that relaxed approach they take compared to England. Police should just step back and allow things to happen naturally, only intervening if necessary. Not necessarily the case here, but that's been my experience on the whole.

There's a video of a late winner for Cork City and in the background, you can see Gardaí celebrating the goal. That's great, showing the human side, that police can be fans just like everyone and not just robots overlooking scumbags, as some generalise football fans.

EunanMac · 13-09-2014 12:12PM

Paz-CCFC wrote: »

If you want to go ahead and bring a Union Flag to the Cross, go ahead. I won't complain.

Don't try and taint the Family Enclosure, some of the most loyal fans of football and sport, by saying they "infect" a sport for trying to bring a bit of colour and broad minds to the matches.

Family "enclosure" - even the terminology says it all
As i'm interested in sport rather than flegs, politics, and bullshte, and take my family to sports to get away from same, the last thing I'll be ever bringing to a LOI game is a fleg.

caustic 1 · 13-09-2014 12:13PM

Didn't know Palestine were playing in Ireland!!!!

The only reason to bring a flag to a game is to support the teams playing is it not?

major bill · 13-09-2014 12:16PM

Paz-CCFC wrote: »

To be fair to Gardaí at LoI matches, I prefer that relaxed approach they take compared to England. Police should just step back and allow things to happen naturally, only intervening if necessary. Not necessarily the case here, but that's been my experience on the whole.

There's a video of a late winner for Cork City and in the background, you can see Gardaí celebrating the goal. That's great, showing the human side, that police can be fans just like everyone and not just robots overlooking scumbags, as some generalise football fans.

They can be heavy handed but that's always been Irish Police in general, I'd actually give them credit in that regard, while the English police would try to contain and break up the incident without drawing batons the Irish just charge in hitting everything that walks,very seldom see arrests compared to what would happen in England! Ive actually had a Gard suited up in full Riot gear say to me ''I hope you's act the bollox afterwards I didn't get dressed up for nothing'' bit a banter but some love it as much as the hooligans. *Not all*

Paz-CCFC · 13-09-2014 12:19PM

EunanMac wrote: »

Family "enclosure" - even the terminology says it all

No it doesn't. You're just looking for things to make an issue out of. All it is is an alternative name for the family section. We also have a cheetah as the club mascot. They're fairly deadly animals. I suppose that's insinuating that all of our fans are animals.

As i'm interested in sport rather than flegs, politics, and bullshte, and take my family to sports to get away from same, the last thing I'll be ever bringing to a LOI game is a fleg.

Good for you. Meanwhile, people who want to innocently add colour to the matches, as the Family Enclosure have been doing very well, will do so.

caustic 1 wrote: »

Didn't know Palestine were playing in Ireland!!!!
The only reason to bring a flag to a game is to support the teams playing is it not?

Maybe Bohs have Palestinian fans.

smellmepower · 13-09-2014 12:21PM

Love the high pitched eejit demanding to know why yer man with the fleg is being arrested.No police 'brutality' video is complete without it.Bonus points for verbally abusing the guards,because that's definitely going to make them change their mind.

So stupid.Its like a drunk arguing with a bouncer over his refusal to let him in, or a thick footballer protesting after being sent off!

major bill · 13-09-2014 12:22PM

Pats Fan's account as seeing on a Facebook comment

''Terrible pity you didn't film what happened before it, all eager enough to start cameras after he's put on ground, get facts straight, this guy refused to be searched pushed a Garda when he tried to take the bag and was extremely aggressive, flag was never an issue all he was asked was to show what was in the bag just like everyone else was, political morons trying to make an issue here, flag was given back to a friend of his in a tesco bag after the cans of beer that he shouldn't have brought in were removed from it. No need to make such a scene the other 2000 fans had no problem being searched. Usual political crap being brought into sport by morons!''

hmmmmmmm

Jester252 · 13-09-2014 12:23PM

Oh look another video of "police brutality" that starts after the "victim" is arrested.

major bill · 13-09-2014 12:25PM

A reply

''Yes let's actually get the facts straight here because your above post is blatantly ignoring them.

First of all you said the man in question refused to be searched. This just isn't true. He had been already in the stadium and co-operated with all Gardaí searches when the flag was seized.

Second of all you say the flag wasn't an issue. This also isn't true. A member of the Gardaí confiscated the Palestinian flag along with another flag describing them as "provocative". He then informed us that they could be collected from him after the game.

We then asked the Garda under what grounds could he seize a national flag of a country that's recognised by the Irish state. As is usually the case with football fans, we weren't given any straight answers and were told to move on. After this the man in the video picked up the bag with the flag in it which led to the most heavy handed dealing with a civilian ive witnessed in person as can be seen in the video.

I hold a very open minded view on the Garda Síochána as I'm not a man to tar all with one brush but what happened last night was a disgrace. The real problem this outlines is the crimilisation of football fans. For years we have been treated like dirt by some members of the Gardaí and stewards alike.

You can try spin this whatever way you like Michelle. But this is coming from someone who was involved in the removal of the flags. At the end of the day, a man is up in court soon over bringing a Palestinian flag to football and that's just not right.''

Ah **** it....don't care anymore..dunno what to believe:)

anncoates · 13-09-2014 12:25PM

major bill wrote: »

They can be heavy handed but that's always been Irish Police in general, I'd actually give them credit in that regard, while the English police would try to contain and break up the incident without drawing batons the Irish just charge in hitting everything that walks,very seldom see arrests compared to what would happen in England! Ive actually had a Gard suited up in full Riot gear say to me ''I hope you's act the bollox afterwards I didn't get dressed up for nothing'' bit a banter but some love it as much as the hooligans. *Not all*

That's probably why there's never convictions here purely for football rows. They just use it to road test the police batons and blow off steam about pay cuts

EunanMac · 13-09-2014 12:32PM

major bill wrote: »

They can be heavy handed but that's always been Irish Police in general

You must be joking. Compared to police on the continent or the states, Irish police are soft and lenient and have to operate with one hand tied behind their back all the time, along with ineffective courts. Try budgie voice boy's spoiled scumbaggery with police on the continent or the states and see how you get on.

Cienciano · 13-09-2014 12:32PM

thelad95 wrote: »

Any eejit who decides to bring a Palestinian flag to a match obviously has no interest in the match. The video is completely circumstancial anyway. As people have said, he was probably getting abusive towards the Gardai which give them every right to arrest him.

And no, you do not have a right to make political statements at sporting events. Sport and politics shouldn't mix with each other. The FA in England and UEFA and FIFA always dish out punishment to clubs whose fans make political statements at games. But of course typically some Irish people think they're above that.

You can bring a flag to a game and also be interested in watching a match. Basque flags at Bilbao games, catalan flags at Barca games, irish flags at celtic games, israel flags at spurs games, it happens all the time.
The question is, are the gardai there to keep the peace and uphold the law of the land, or do whatever the FAI tell them to do? Serious question, even though it sounds like I'm taking the píss. Are the gardai basically security guards with more power? Can they use their state given power to enforce FAI rules?

major bill · 13-09-2014 12:33PM

EunanMac wrote: »

You must be joking. Compared to police on the continent or the states, Irish police are soft and lenient and have to operate with one hand tied behind their back all the time, along with ineffective courts. Try budgie voice boy's spoiled scumbaggery with police on the continent or the states and see how you get on.

Go to a match in England, lower level and you will see the difference and no I am not joking. When it kicks off the Irish Police don't hold back and I wouldnt fault them for that.

Peist2007 · 13-09-2014 12:35PM

Paz-CCFC wrote: »

Good for you. Meanwhile, people who want to innocently add colour to the matches, as the Family Enclosure have been doing very well, will do so.

I am 100% in support of Palestine but i really think that bringing a Palestinian flag to a public event, one of the most divisive national flags in the world and currently hugely topical over the past few months, is innocently adding colour to anything. It is a political statement plain and simple. Whether or not the muppets with the flag knew any of this is another story.

major bill · 13-09-2014 12:39PM

EunanMac wrote: »

You must be joking. Compared to police on the continent or the states, Irish police are soft and lenient and have to operate with one hand tied behind their back all the time, along with ineffective courts. Try budgie voice boy's spoiled scumbaggery with police on the continent or the states and see how you get on.

Partly the reason behind their heavy handedness too, no point in arresting anyone at matches as it will be thrown out so easier to just beat them around instead,

Guy:Incognito · 13-09-2014 12:48PM

Cienciano wrote: »

You can bring a flag to a game and also be interested in watching a match. Basque flags at Bilbao games, catalan flags at Barca games, irish flags at celtic games, israel flags at spurs games, it happens all the time. ?

None of those are the same as a Palestinian flag at an Irish game

Paz-CCFC · 13-09-2014 12:51PM

Peist2007 wrote: »

I am 100% in support of Palestine but i really think that bringing a Palestinian flag to a public event, one of the most divisive national flags in the world and currently hugely topical over the past few months, is innocently adding colour to anything. It is a political statement plain and simple. Whether or not the muppets with the flag knew any of this is another story.

What the Family Enclosure at Cork City are doing is innocently adding colour. They've displayed the Palestine flag, alongside other national flags that aren't in conflict, for a long time. All those flags prominently contained the club's colours. I'm not sure if it were done every match, to be honest. It could have been that A, B and C's flags were flown at Game 1, X, Y and Z's at Game 2 etc., to give a good spread. As I said in a previous post, a display of multiculturalism. I can't say for sure what the motive's of the fellas in this video were, but I can say that bringing such a flag to a match does not automatically make you a "dickhead", as was suggested by another poster.

I suppose you have two distinctive situations. One, those who've brought such flags (as well as other national flags) for a long time and those who've only brought them in the last few months, when tensions have particularly heightened and they're getting more coverage here.

EunanMac · 13-09-2014 12:54PM

major bill wrote: »

Partly the reason behind their heavy handedness too, no point in arresting anyone at matches as it will be thrown out so easier to just beat them around instead,

There is no heavy handiness, quite the opposite, kid gloves in fact.
Hence we have creations like budgie voice boy in the OP's video

anncoates · 13-09-2014 01:47PM

EunanMac wrote: »

There is no heavy handiness

There is.

We go to games and see it.

I understand you appear to have a pathological need to witter on about the ineffective courts/PC whatever but try another angle.

dundalkfc10 · 13-09-2014 01:48PM

EunanMac wrote: »

Why do dickheads with Palestinian flags go to LOI sporting events ?
What has it got to do with the sport of Irish soccer ?

why do dickheads who have been in Croke Park the last 4 or 5 games to be played there, Munster final etc... have Palestine Flags?

dundalkfc10 · 13-09-2014 01:50PM

EunanMac wrote: »

There is no heavy handiness, quite the opposite, kid gloves in fact.
Hence we have creations like budgie voice boy in the OP's video

You must not go to games regularly/at all here

.jacksparrow. · 13-09-2014 01:58PM

Just seen a Scottish flag in arsenals ground.

Political statement?

thelad95 · 13-09-2014 02:14PM

.jacksparrow. wrote: »

Just seen a Scottish flag in arsenals ground.

Political statement?

It is actually and I wouldn't be surprised if Arsenal are fined after that.

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