Ian Paisley has died

Annasopra · 13-09-2014 01:17AM

I never celebrate the death of anyone. Not Bin Laden, Not Thatcher . Im not glad he's dead. I would never celebrate his death. I feel sorry for the loss his family are going through. In remembering his life we should not gloss over the ugly bigotry of his political words and deeds and the effects on Catholics, Nationalists and the LGBT community in NI. He was admirable in his political determination but deeply deeply unadmirable in his political stances.

crockholm · 13-09-2014 01:20AM

Way too early to write an honest obituary,in 30 years......maybe.

An Riabhach · 13-09-2014 01:20AM

My name is URL wrote: »

If he wasn't Irish then what was he?

Anti-Irish.

P_1 · 13-09-2014 01:24AM

thelad95 wrote: »

Martin McGuinness and Gerry Adams could hardly stifle their smiles when being interviewed.

Well hopefully they'll be next, plenty of drooling and shítting themselves on the menu for them also if karma plays its part.

An Riabhach · 13-09-2014 01:29AM

mcko wrote: »

If there is a hell he is on his way there complete biggott.
Bet RTE will be fawning over his memory.
He had a lot of blood on his hands.
Good riddance to bad rubbish.

If there was a hell,I don't think they'd take him in there!!

Whatever about RTÉ,I'd hate to imagine what the arse-lickin goody-two-shoes on Ireland AM were sayin about it.

An Riabhach · 13-09-2014 01:35AM

Chrissybhoy wrote: »

Don't know what to make of Martin McGuiness calling him a friend ???

Somethin between political etiquette and arse-licking.

Filmer Paradise · 13-09-2014 01:40AM

Seasan wrote: »

Anti-Irish.

Not Anti-Irish.

He was a lifelong puppeteer.

He liked to pull the strings & was able to do it for a long number of years.

As the years went on, more people got educated to his level.

He was clever enough to realise this & changed his tack to suit the times.

uch · 13-09-2014 01:46AM

Good Night Ian, may your God bless you

Esel · 13-09-2014 01:59AM

Chrissybhoy wrote: »

Don't know what to make of Martin McGuiness calling him a friend ???

Must. Remember. To. Not. Derail. The. Peace. Process.

rwbug · 13-09-2014 02:04AM

blah blah - feign sympathy etc.
The Truth is - The world is a better place without him.

TheBegotten · 13-09-2014 02:21AM

I don't think anyone is going to pull punches, but I will say I can respect the strength of his convictions. Said convictions were a contributing factor to many an atrocity and I hope he hits every pothole on the long and winding road to hell, but I can respect his sheer...not charisma, but something like it. A man vitriolic enough to create enemies on both sides of the divide, and in the days too early for friendship a common enemy was provided. A man so bigoted and biased that equality could be seen as a reasonable concession rather than a radical change. A man so outspoken, so downright vile that his views were eventually abandoned by all but the most extreme of supporters.

Maybe in his later years he did come to believe in peace. Maybe it was the atonement of regretful old man who saw the sun of his life dipping towards the horizon. Maybe he had just run out of things to say or people to listen to him. With his funeral the scabs may be torn off old wounds one more time, we can only wait and see. But one thing is certain: the air in the North is lighter since his departure. A relic of the darkest days, a potential rallying point for Republicans and Unionists alike will very soon cease to be, and perhaps with his death the peace he fought so hard to prevent will become that bit more permanent.

I won't say Rest in Peace, because peace was alien to a man like him. May he find justice with his god.

Esel · 13-09-2014 02:40AM

thomur wrote: »

Had many grandparents in the IRA..

How many though? More than four?

thomur wrote: »

Go to bed now, school tomorrow

Karl Stein wrote: »

Tomorrow is Sunday btw.

Go to Sunday School, then!

There, one can memorise selected/recommended excerpts from the Old Testament so that at some future point (you will be told when) you can recite, rant, rave and recruit at will. Rinse and repeat.

Get so powerful that you can assemble 500 men who will wave a piece of paper in the air at your command. All for the media, of course, unless the next move is immediate death to the enemy (death by paper cut not guaranteed). No media, no point.

Retreat strategically to some kind of HQ/old boys' club; accept pats on the back/head; disclaim any responsibility for the subsequent murders.

Finally, accept invitation to the aristocracy and therefore agree to piss out of the tent rather than into same. Sleep warm and dry. Then die.

Happy.

Karl Stein · 13-09-2014 03:07AM

TheBegotten wrote: »

I can respect the strength of his convictions.

I think black skinned people are inferior to white skinned people, black skinned people should not mix, and should serve white skinned people. That's my conviction and I shall not waver from it. I'm a man who will not be told I'm wrong. Sure doesn't god himself guide me.

I expect you will respect the strength of my convictions.

BeerBoobs · 13-09-2014 05:39AM

I've read through all 38 pages so far, and I can't understand why there is a very few amount of posters on here who are sympathizing him; or worse yet, outright wishing he R.I.P.

It doesn't matter what religious denomination you come from. I think everyone should agree that he was a downright ****ebag.

What's worse than speaking ill of the dead, is people romanticizing men of hatred and bitterness.

Shame on the media as well for doing this!

13-09-2014 08:49AM

A bitter bitter man, hatred running through him.

.jacksparrow. · 13-09-2014 09:16AM

Karl Stein wrote: »

Tommy Gorman was paying sickening platitudes to Paisley today on RTE News. I switched over to BBC NI and their political commentators were far more honest yabout Paisley's past.

It's an indictment on the quality of mainstream journalism/reporting in the Republic and it descends from the McCarthy-ite style chilling effect of Section 31 censorship.

Fine fail, fine Gael all staunch anti Republican, plus now sinn fein are knocking they really have upped this agenda.

Rte just play to whatever tune its told.

R P McMurphy · 13-09-2014 09:52AM

Filmer Paradise wrote: »

Which is ironically why he was the only one who could have done the deal that led to the peace.

He was the ultimate Bogie Man.

The images of Paisley not alone being in the same room as republicans, but working with them aswell made world news!

Laughing & joking with Martin Mc Guinness.:eek:

Stuff like this would have been the stuff of makebelieve only a few years earlier.

He didn't do the deal. David Trimble did

Chrissybhoy · 13-09-2014 10:00AM

Esel wrote: »

Must. Remember. To. Not. Derail. The. Peace. Process.

True. The same peace process that was supposed to bring a united Ireland. I think that's why he could call him a friend because Martin lost the fight for a united Ireland a long time ago which Paisley would of had Paisley smiling. Prob shouldn't be surprised that they ended up very good friends.

Banjo String · 13-09-2014 10:23AM

Brian? wrote: »

He was tea total and vehemently pro temperance.

The free Presbyterians are indeed a strange lot. Very, very strict and disciplined.

Drink is a big no no, likewise any kind of work/business on Sundays.

I remember Paisley once suggesting that owners of budgerigars should think of tying up the swings in their cages on Sundays.

Banjo String · 13-09-2014 10:31AM

KidsRtheFuture wrote: »

Ian Paisley was a hero !

I predict you'll be banned permanently before 11am.

Clock is ticking little troll..... Tick tock.....

tigger123 · 13-09-2014 10:48AM

Chrissybhoy wrote: »

True. The same peace process that was supposed to bring a united Ireland. I think that's why he could call him a friend because Martin lost the fight for a united Ireland a long time ago which Paisley would of had Paisley smiling. Prob shouldn't be surprised that they ended up very good friends.

What? Are you referring to the Good Friday Agreement? That was supposed to bring about a united Ireland?

BrensBenz · 13-09-2014 11:03AM

I believe that, off camera and in private, he was a warm and pleasant man - sympathies to his family for their loss but......

there'll be fierce ructions when he gets to Heaven and finds that Catholics are allowed in. NEVER NEVER NEVER......

thelad95 · 13-09-2014 11:04AM

Chrissybhoy wrote: »

True. The same peace process that was supposed to bring a united Ireland. I think that's why he could call him a friend because Martin lost the fight for a united Ireland a long time ago which Paisley would of had Paisley smiling. Prob shouldn't be surprised that they ended up very good friends.

Despite being on opposites sides of the debate, they were like-minded people I suppose.

Big C · 13-09-2014 11:12AM

no reports in any news of the bonfires in Belfast and Derry last night

EunanMac · 13-09-2014 11:27AM

thelad95 wrote: »

Despite being on opposites sides of the debate, they were like-minded people I suppose.

blood soaked brothers more like, "chuckle brothers" indeed, the laugh was on the people of the six counties.

EunanMac · 13-09-2014 11:27AM

Big C wrote: »

no reports in any news of the bonfires in Belfast and Derry last night

bonfires by who ?

cloudatlas · 13-09-2014 11:44AM

I won't be searching for his showreel.

michael999999 · 13-09-2014 11:45AM

I hope he's first night in the pits of hell went well for him!

Happyman42 · 13-09-2014 11:56AM

The attempts by RTE and the media to 'dilute' what this man did and tried to do would be laughable if it wasn't so pathetic and sad. Their hypocrisy is mirrored by those on here who would seek to revise this man's contribution while still seeking retribution for what Adams allegedly did. 'F***ing hypocrites'...to paraphrase Paisley himself.

Long Gone · 13-09-2014 12:13PM

I'll never understand why Paisley always said No when the man from DelMonte always said Yes - And he was an Orangeman as well....

Ian Paisley has died

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