IDF save irish..

evo2000 · 13-09-2014 04:18AM #1

http://www.irishcentral.com/news/politics/Israeli-Defense-Force-rescues-Irish-troops-from-Islamist-extremists.html

Its gas, how alot of people in ireland are anti israel and yet IDF had to save irish troops that were supposed to be saving, filipino troops... wtf do they be doin it all out there isnt this the 3rd or 4th time irish troops have been captured abroad?

Fair play to the IDF tho! would have been good enuff for us had they just let it happen, with the stick they ve been gettin lately!

FullblownRose · 13-09-2014 04:25AM

evo2000 wrote: »

http://www.irishcentral.com/news/politics/Israeli-Defense-Force-rescues-Irish-troops-from-Islamist-extremists.html

Its gas, how alot of people in ireland are anti israel and yet IDF had to save irish troops that were supposed to be saving, filipino troops... wtf do they be doin it all out there isnt this the 3rd or 4th time irish troops have been captured abroad?

Fair play to the IDF tho! would have been good enuff for us had they just let it happen, with the stick they ve been gettin lately!

“But that, of course, is precisely the problem with seeking to empower your enemies rather than your allies: If you succeed, your allies will no longer be able to help you when you need them.”

I thought that was a bit unfair, to phrase it that way- but effectively that's what might happen if Israel do leave the area. I thought the Irish were considering pulling out because it was starting to get riskier than they had anticipated and prepared for?

evo2000 · 13-09-2014 04:31AM

FullblownRose wrote: »

“But that, of course, is precisely the problem with seeking to empower your enemies rather than your allies: If you succeed, your allies will no longer be able to help you when you need them.”

I thought that was a bit unfair, to phrase it that way- but effectively that's what might happen if Israel do leave the area. I thought the Irish were considering pulling out because it was starting to get riskier than they had anticipated and prepared for?

I dont think there cut out for the sort of situation thats developing best job would be to head home and "review the mission" by review i mean let the IDF or some other better equipped army handle it!

I think the UN missions are a joke at the best of times, making soldiers more a target than a force

Grayson · 13-09-2014 07:56AM

They can call us Anti israel all they want and maybe even chuck in jew haters for good measure. It won't stop until the israeli government stop treating people like animals.

Shakespeare's Sister · 13-09-2014 08:08AM

evo2000 wrote: »

http://www.irishcentral.com/news/politics/Israeli-Defense-Force-rescues-Irish-troops-from-Islamist-extremists.html

Its gas, how alot of people in ireland are anti israel and yet IDF had to save irish troops that were supposed to be saving, filipino troops... wtf do they be doin it all out there isnt this the 3rd or 4th time irish troops have been captured abroad?

Fair play to the IDF tho! would have been good enuff for us had they just let it happen, with the stick they ve been gettin lately!

How is it "gas"? People are critical of the IDF's excessive force on Palestinians and only people trying to be edgy will say there's something unreasonable about this. Fair play on the IDF members in this case though.
"Would have been good enough for us" - "us"? Don't be so hard on yourself. And no it wouldn't have been good enough for those peacekeepers just because Irish people (along with people across the world) condemn the IDF.

kryogen · 13-09-2014 08:08AM

I am anti-Israel I suppose with how they behave. IDF soldiers going to "save" Irish troops doesn't change that anymore then IDF soldiers committing atrocities against innocent people would make an Israeli supporter any less supportive of them.

Jawgap · 13-09-2014 08:08AM

evo2000 wrote: »

http://www.irishcentral.com/news/politics/Israeli-Defense-Force-rescues-Irish-troops-from-Islamist-extremists.html

Its gas, how alot of people in ireland are anti israel and yet IDF had to save irish troops that were supposed to be saving, filipino troops... wtf do they be doin it all out there isnt this the 3rd or 4th time irish troops have been captured abroad?

Fair play to the IDF tho! would have been good enuff for us had they just let it happen, with the stick they ve been gettin lately!

I suppose that goes some way to making up for the Irish soldiers they allowed to be tortured and murdered by their proxies, the SLA...........

.......never mind the number of times they targeted Irish peace-keeping positions for mortar, artillery and tank fire (as well as small arms). Only luck and the professional preparations made by the Irish soldiers prevented more serious loss of life.

Timberrrrrrrr · 13-09-2014 08:12AM

evo2000 wrote: »

http://www.irishcentral.com/news/politics/Israeli-Defense-Force-rescues-Irish-troops-from-Islamist-extremists.html

Its gas, how alot of people in ireland are anti israel and yet IDF had to save irish troops that were supposed to be saving, filipino troops... wtf do they be doin it all out there isnt this the 3rd or 4th time irish troops have been captured abroad?

Fair play to the IDF tho! would have been good enuff for us had they just let it happen, with the stick they ve been gettin lately!

IDF

Great bunch of lads, yeah i mean i know they slaughtered a couple.of thousand innocent people last month including 600 innocent kids and left hundreds more maimed and scarred for life bit sure great bunch of lads otherwise

:rolleyes:

arybvtcw0eolkf · 13-09-2014 08:22AM

Jawgap wrote: »

I suppose that goes some way to making up for the Irish soldiers they allowed to be tortured and murdered by their proxies, the SLA...........

.......never mind the number of times they targeted Irish peace-keeping positions for mortar, artillery and tank fire (as well as small arms). Only luck and the professional preparations made by the Irish soldiers prevented more serious loss of life.

What kind of "professional preparations" did the Irish soldiers employ?.

The Hill Billy · 13-09-2014 08:27AM

evo2000 wrote: »

http://www.irishcentral.com/news/politics/Israeli-Defense-Force-rescues-Irish-troops-from-Islamist-extremists.html

Its gas, how alot of people in ireland are anti israel and yet IDF had to save irish troops that were supposed to be saving, filipino troops... wtf do they be doin it all out there isnt this the 3rd or 4th time irish troops have been captured abroad?

Fair play to the IDF tho! would have been good enuff for us had they just let it happen, with the stick they ve been gettin lately!

I think that people are more anti-"How-Israel-treats-non-Isrealis" for a start. Fair play to the IDF for supporting our guys.

But I take real issue with the part I have bolded above. "Us", really? It is not like you are out there proudly wearing a blue beret & putting your cock on the block in an effort to keep the peace in the hell-hole that is the Golan Heights.

Don't flatter yourself.

Jawgap · 13-09-2014 08:29AM

Nova CoolS Graphology wrote: »

What kind of "professional preparations" did the Irish soldiers employ?.

siting, digging and roofing proper shelters would be one prep - in other words not assuming that the IDF were going to adopt a benign posture towards the presence of blue helmets.

Victor · 13-09-2014 08:33AM

evo2000 wrote: »

http://www.irishcentral.com/news/politics/Israeli-Defense-Force-rescues-Irish-troops-from-Islamist-extremists.html

Its gas, how alot of people in ireland are anti israel and yet IDF had to save irish troops that were supposed to be saving, filipino troops... wtf do they be doin it all out there isnt this the 3rd or 4th time irish troops have been captured abroad?

Fair play to the IDF tho! would have been good enuff for us had they just let it happen, with the stick they ve been gettin lately!

The article (not originally written for Irish Central) comes across as a bit shill-tastic.

evo2000 wrote: »

IDF had to save irish troops

The were doing what suited themselves.

evo2000 wrote: »

I dont think there cut out for the sort of situation thats developing best job would be to head home and "review the mission" by review i mean let the IDF or some other better equipped army handle it!

The mission is keeping the Israelis and Syrians apart to reduce the risk of violence. How can the Israelis carry out such a mission?

Jawgap · 13-09-2014 08:35AM

Victor wrote: »

The article (not originally written for Irish Central) comes across as a bit shill-tastic.

I liked this bit.....

An article in Commentary Magazine recently described Ireland as “one of the most consistently anti-Israel countries in the EU.”

“The Golan is included in the list of ‘Israeli-occupied territories’ that [Dublin] wants Israel to quit. One wonders whether Dublin appreciates the irony that had Israel complied with this demand, IDF troops wouldn’t have been on hand last week to rescue its peacekeepers.

If the IDF troops weren't there, then the Irish troops wouldn't be needed as the Golan would not be disputed!!

Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo · 13-09-2014 08:36AM

I'd prefer to keep Irish troops out of the Middle East, it is a sh!thole. There's plenty of other places in the world where they could be more effective.

How are a hundred Irish troops positioned in between the IDF, the Jihadis, Hezbollah and god knows what else supposed to keep control? I get the image of a WWF referee trying to stop the wrestlers from fighting each other by getting the ringside bell rung constantly.

evo2000 · 13-09-2014 08:38AM

The Hill Billy wrote: »

I think that people are more anti-"How-Israel-treats-non-Isrealis" for a start. Fair play to the IDF for supporting our guys.

But I take real issue with the part I have bolded above. "Us", really? It is not like you are out there proudly wearing a blue beret & putting your cock on the block in an effort to keep the peace in the hell-hole that is the Golan Heights.

Don't flatter yourself.

ever hear people talk about the football team they support they use "we" even tho they arent part of it, since its our national army i use us as in irish ppl use ur noggin like a good lad, uve a unrealistic view of the un asell if u think there putting your cock on the block

arybvtcw0eolkf · 13-09-2014 08:39AM

Jawgap wrote: »

siting, digging and roofing proper shelters would be one prep - in other words not assuming that the IDF were going to adopt a benign posture towards the presence of blue helmets.

What were the shelters like?

Timberrrrrrrr · 13-09-2014 08:41AM

evo2000 wrote: »

ever hear people talk about the football team they support they use "we" even tho they arent part of it, since its our national army i use us as in irish ppl use ur noggin like a good lad, uve a unrealistic view of the un asell if u think there putting your cock on the block

Most sports fans travel to the away games to support their team at one time or another, will you be taking a tricolour to the Golan heights when you head off to support the lads? Maybe you should take a hamper of Guinness and soda bread to pass on the them IDF lads to show the gratitude of the Irish folks back home :rolleyes:

Little CuChulainn · 13-09-2014 08:42AM

This totally clears them of the cold blooded murder of children. Much like the mob boss who donates to the church or the corrupt politician who does charity work.

Jawgap · 13-09-2014 08:44AM

evo2000 wrote: »

ever hear people talk about the football team they support they use "we" even tho they arent part of it, since its our national army i use us as in irish ppl use ur noggin like a good lad, uve a unrealistic view of the un asell if u think there putting your cock on the block

Seriously? You think Irish soldiers don't go into harm's way when they're on UN duty? Especially in their current role on the Golan as the QRF?

The UNIFIL Mission sustained approx 250 fatal casualties - about 20% of those deaths were Irish soldiers. The last one was Pte. William Kedian who was killed when IDF/DFF mortar fire hit a UNIFIL position. He was hit as he was moving to take cover in a shelter.

evo2000 · 13-09-2014 08:44AM

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Most sports fans travel to the away games to support their team at one time or another, will you be taking a tricolour to the Golan heights when you head off to support the lads? Maybe you should take a hamper of Guinness and soda bread to pass on the them IDF lads to show the gratitude of the Irish folks back home :rolleyes:

werent the un the away support in rwanda? front row seats i believe great spectators!1 but ur point is stupid

Timberrrrrrrr · 13-09-2014 08:47AM

evo2000 wrote: »

werent the un the away support in rwanda? front row seats i believe great spectators!1 but ur point is stupid

So you won't be heading over then? No need to use the word we then next time you are bigging up the baby killers is there.

evo2000 · 13-09-2014 08:47AM

Jawgap wrote: »

Seriously? You think Irish soldiers don't go into harm's way when they're on UN duty? Especially in their current role on the Golan as the QRF?

The UNIFIL Mission sustained approx 250 fatal casualties - about 20% of those deaths were Irish soldiers. The last one was Pte. William Kedian who was killed when IDF/DFF mortar fire hit a UNIFIL position. He was hit as he was moving to take cover in a shelter.

to some extent yea but the way ppl like u go on about it ud swear it was iraq or afghan wars they were in...

The Hill Billy · 13-09-2014 08:48AM

evo2000 wrote: »

ever hear people talk about the football team they support they use "we" even tho they arent part of it, since its our national army i use us as in irish ppl use ur noggin like a good lad, uve a unrealistic view of the un asell if u think there putting your cock on the block

Less of your condescension. Through personal experience, I know exactly what our lads do for the UN. There's a Commendation for Bravery for "saving 361 men, women & children from certain death" hanging on my folks living room wall. (Nice one, Bro!)

Timberrrrrrrr · 13-09-2014 08:48AM

evo2000 wrote: »

to some extent yea but the way ppl like u go on about it ud swear it was iraq or afghan wars they were in...

What was the last war you fought in?

Jawgap · 13-09-2014 08:49AM

Nova CoolS Graphology wrote: »

What were the shelters like?

I don't know I wasn't there - but I'd imagine deep, roofed with something like railway sleepers and earth - sandbagged 90 degree entrance.

catallus · 13-09-2014 08:50AM

I'm sorry, but how is sharing logistical intelligence with United Nations peacekeepers considered to be "saving" anyone?

That site linked to by OP is a dubious rag.

Gatling · 13-09-2014 08:51AM

I call bull**** on the story .

At no stage over the last while has there been any reports of the IDF saving Our Irish Troops or were involved in shooting at all during the rescue of besieged un troops

evo2000 · 13-09-2014 08:55AM

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

What was the last war you fought in?

none but i can certainly tell the difference between the abit of peacekeeping and a full scale war,i suppose ur rambo are ya?

Jawgap · 13-09-2014 08:56AM

evo2000 wrote: »

to some extent yea but the way ppl like u go on about it ud swear it was iraq or afghan wars they were in...

I like the way you are stirring it up but I'll play along.

first a bullet is a bullet and an IED is an IED regardless of what country you are in.

Most engagements are small scale in Iraq, Afghanistan and in Syria - they are all platoon sized or squad sized wars so the fact that you are there as part of a small QRF or a Division probably doesn't mean much when the bullets start zipping by your ears.

Btw, you are right - it's not like Afghanistan (or like Iraq when the US were active there) - the Irish soldiers have stricter rules of engagement - don't have anything like the comforts of Bagram or Bastion - nor do they have the support of Apache, Chinook or Blackhawk helis - they've no close air support and no indirect fire support (and even if they did they probably wouldn't be allowed use it) - but aside from that, from the soldier's perspective, it's just like Afghanistan.......

Timberrrrrrrr · 13-09-2014 08:57AM

evo2000 wrote: »

none but i can certainly tell the difference between the abit of peacekeeping and a full scale war,i suppose ur rambo are ya?

So you have no first hand experience of armed conflict but feel you have the right to comment on it because you have read a book or seen a documentary :rolleyes:

Jawgap · 13-09-2014 08:59AM

evo2000 wrote: »

none but i can certainly tell the difference between the abit of peacekeeping and a full scale war,i suppose ur rambo are ya?

Define 'war' then.......given that you've just stated you can tell the difference between it and peacekeeping

IDF save irish..

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