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Ian Paisley has died

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  • #512
    Going Forward
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 8,224 ✭✭✭Going Forward


    Good riddance.


  • #513
    Chrissybhoy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 931 ✭✭✭Chrissybhoy


    Filmer Paradise wrote: »
    No big deal.

    As Nelson Mandella said 'You don't make peace with your friends, you make peace with your enemies'.

    They had a good turn as the Chuckle Brothers for a while too.

    Surprised that he would use the word friend. Insult to republicans. Paisley stood for everything republicans hated.


  • #514
    Karl Stein
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,687 ✭✭✭Karl Stein


    Chrissybhoy wrote: »
    Don't know what to make of Martin McGuiness calling him a friend ???

    It was said that MMcG was more respectful towards Paisley and his Mrs than many of his former lifelong political associates and congregation were in recent times. Some people can just click with each other despite having seemingly intractable differences.

    MMcG was asked about Paisley's past today in an interview and made no bones about his past. MMcG is also very conscious of his leadership role and would be very aware that the 'if Paisley and MMcG can end up friends' thing influences how people think and act.


  • #515
    Shakespeare's Sister
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,412 ✭✭✭Shakespeare's Sister


    thomur wrote: »
    OK put a star trek movie. That's really good. Maybe all you can understand is Klingons and Vulcans. Back to preschool
    This thread needs a peace process. :o
    In fairness the comparison with Mandela isn't valid. Mandela was fighting against the sick system of apartheid. Ian Paisley and his community were not downtrodden like that - they had the upper hand. Protecting their religion and their identity and their political views - fine. But doing so via discriminating against, repressing and ostracising nationalists - it only served to stoke the flames of anger and division.


  • #516
    Bafucin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 642 ✭✭✭Bafucin


    Martin McGuinness
    Martin McGuinness

    Very sad to learn that Ian Paisley has died.My deepest sympathy to his wife Eileen & family.Once political opponents - I have lost a friend.

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  • #517
    Karl Stein
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,687 ✭✭✭Karl Stein


    thomur wrote: »
    Ok I know it affected you how?. I've lived in Dublin for 40+ years, he has never bothered me.

    How is this relevant? What are the rules of this game you've made up in your head? You have to have had direct experience of something before you can comment? If these are your bizarre rules then why are you commenting on this issue?
    My original point was that it took a lot for him to bring a lot of Northern Protestants into the peace process.

    He had nothing to do with the peace process and opposed it at every turn - he kept people away from it. You haven't a clue what you're talking about.


  • #518
    thomur
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 279 ✭✭thomur


    Shakespeare's Sister wrote: »
    This thread needs a peace process. :o
    In fairness the comparison with Mandela isn't valid. Mandela was fighting against the sick system of apartheid. Ian Paisley and his community were not downtrodden like that - they had the upper hand. Protecting their religion and their identity and their political views - fine. But doing so via discriminating against, repressing and ostracising nationalists - it only served to stoke the flames of anger and division.

    Agree. But that was 20 years ago. Not the same now. I think its going the other way now


  • #519
    Filmer Paradise
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,345 ✭✭✭Filmer Paradise


    Chrissybhoy wrote: »
    Surprised that he would use the word friend. Insult to republicans. Paisley stood for everything republicans hated.

    Which is ironically why he was the only one who could have done the deal that led to the peace.

    He was the ultimate Bogie Man.

    The images of Paisley not alone being in the same room as republicans, but working with them aswell made world news!

    Laughing & joking with Martin Mc Guinness.:eek:

    Stuff like this would have been the stuff of makebelieve only a few years earlier.


  • #520
    marienbad
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,463 ✭✭✭marienbad


    Just because he mellowed in old age doesn't change the fact that he was just a bigot like Bull Connor or Major Bunting. He bears a huge responsibility for poisoning the political atmosphere to such an extent that we are still stuck in a time warp.

    A truly dreadful man.


  • #521
    thomur
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 279 ✭✭thomur


    Karl Stein wrote: »
    How is this relevant? What are the rules of this game you've made up in your head? You have to have had direct experience of something before you can comment? If these are your bizarre rules then why are you commenting on this issue?
    Well I've had 40 years of it so what's your experience? Wha??



    He had nothing to do with the peace process and opposed it at every turn - he kept people away from it. You haven't a clue what you're talking about.

    Go to bed now, school tomorrow


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  • #522
    Bafucin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 642 ✭✭✭Bafucin


    Karl Stein wrote: »
    It was said that MMcG was more respectful towards Paisley and his Mrs than many of his former lifelong political associates and congregation were in recent times. Some people can just click with each other despite having seemingly intractable differences.

    MMcG was asked about Paisley's past today in an interview and made no bones about his past. MMcG is also very conscious of his leadership role and would be very aware that the 'if Paisley and MMcG can end up friends' thing influences how people think and act.

    Or else Mc Guinness is just an opportunist with few actual scruples.


  • #523
    thomur
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 279 ✭✭thomur


    Chrissybhoy wrote: »
    Surprised that he would use the word friend. Insult to republicans. Paisley stood for everything republicans hated.

    Who cares, Im Irish, pay my taxes and do my best for people in my area. Don't know any Republicans.


  • #524
    lulu1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,816 ✭✭✭lulu1


    He was somebody's husband, brother father and Grandfather I am sure they are mourning him and they will never forget him. and we will never be let forget him because his name will go down in history for years to come.

    Never knew the man personally just my feelings


  • #525
    Karl Stein
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,687 ✭✭✭Karl Stein


    thomur wrote: »
    Go to bed now, school tomorrow

    I see.. ignoring my points in favour of petty jibes.

    You're seriously out of your depth here so I'll leave you alone.

    Tomorrow is Sunday btw.


  • #526
    thomur
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 279 ✭✭thomur


    Karl Stein wrote: »
    I see.. ignoring my points in favour of petty jibes.

    You're seriously out of your depth here so I'll leave you alone.

    Tomorrow is Sunday btw.

    Read your own post. Nothing of any value there. I would respond if there was anything an intelligent person would respond to. But there's not, so night.


  • #527
    thomur
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 279 ✭✭thomur


    lulu1 wrote: »
    He was somebody's husband, brother father and Grandfather I am sure they are mourning him and they will never forget him. and we will never be let forget him because his name will go down in history for years to come.

    Never knew the man personally just my feelings

    Agree


  • #528
    keithclancy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,157 ✭✭✭keithclancy


    lulu1 wrote: »
    He was sombody's husband brother father and grandfather and I'm sure they are mourning him.They will never forger him and we will never be let forget him because his name will go down in history for years to come.

    Never met the man just my fellings

    Fellings ... you drinking ?


  • #529
    Esel
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,808 ✭✭✭✭Esel
    Not Your Ornery Onager


    Edited my post above, just in case AHers want to go back....

    Not your ornery onager



  • #530
    WilyCoyote
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,059 ✭✭✭WilyCoyote


    I for one am glad that Paisley came to such prominence. He split the Unionist Party and thereby contributed to the fall of British domination in the North East of Ireland.
    Ruby ............let's hear it for The Reverend!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZOgP9PVhqQ


  • #531
    thomur
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 279 ✭✭thomur


    keithclancy wrote: »
    Fellings ... you drinking ?

    Maybe he is. I am. He did his part


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  • #532
    marienbad
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,463 ✭✭✭marienbad


    lulu1 wrote: »
    He was somebody's husband, brother father and Grandfather I am sure they are mourning him and they will never forget him. and we will never be let forget him because his name will go down in history for years to come.

    Never knew the man personally just my feelings

    So what ? Everybody is somebodies mother fathers sister brother likes dogs and mows the lawn . This business of canonizing the dead in these political correct times is just hypocrisy

    The fact that the world is marginally a better place than when he came into it is despite him and not because of him.


  • #533
    mcko
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 755 ✭✭✭mcko


    If there is a hell he is on his way there complete biggott.
    Bet RTE will be fawning over his memory.
    He had a lot of blood on his hands.
    Good riddance to bad rubbish.


  • #534
    Shakespeare's Sister
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,412 ✭✭✭Shakespeare's Sister


    lulu1 wrote: »
    He was somebody's husband, brother father and Grandfather I am sure they are mourning him and they will never forget him. and we will never be let forget him because his name will go down in history for years to come.
    All true, but it doesn't take away from what he said and did in relation to an entire community in Northern Ireland, and which it's not unreasonable to criticise.


  • #535
    lulu1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,816 ✭✭✭lulu1


    Shakespeare's Sister wrote: »
    All true, but it doesn't take away from what he said and did in relation to an entire community in Northern Ireland, and which it's not unreasonable to criticise.

    Yea I know and I agree 100%


  • #536
    Karl Stein
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,687 ✭✭✭Karl Stein


    mcko wrote: »
    Bet RTE will be fawning over his memory.

    Tommy Gorman was paying sickening platitudes to Paisley today on RTE News. I switched over to BBC NI and their political commentators were far more honest about Paisley's past.

    It's an indictment on the quality of mainstream journalism/reporting in the Republic and it descends from the McCarthy-ite style chilling effect of Section 31 censorship.


  • #537
    uch
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,035 ✭✭✭uch


    RIP Ian, may your god look after you

    22/25



  • #538
    Shakespeare's Sister
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,412 ✭✭✭Shakespeare's Sister


    So edgy to say RIP.


  • #539
    thelad95
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,812 ✭✭✭thelad95


    Martin McGuinness and Gerry Adams could hardly stifle their smiles when being interviewed.


  • #540
    Filmer Paradise
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,345 ✭✭✭Filmer Paradise


    Shakespeare's Sister wrote: »
    So edgy to say RIP.

    Aye, agree with you. I did it earlier & it still dosen't sit well.


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  • #541
    dasdog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,138 ✭✭✭dasdog


    85% being a cvnt, 15% being sound.

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