Ian Paisley has died

joseph brand · 12-09-2014 05:59PM

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

Given this is AH I think the hatred is kinda funny given most of the people posting wouldn't have even been alive during the worst of the Troubles

Paisley in his day did embody the worst of the Unionist agenda, but let's not pretend that there weren't similar figures on the other side of the conflict as well. However in later life he was able to change enough to not only support but apparently embrace the peace process and former enemies and had he not done so the border posts and troops on the street of those dark days could still be a reality.

Pity some of the posters here can't move on in the same manner - even more ironic given the whole Republican/Catholic idea of forgiveness and that people can change.

What's that? Is it an actual thing or did you just make it up?

joseph brand · 12-09-2014 06:01PM

Coat22 wrote: »

Always thought this would be a happier day

Few pints of Devils Buttermilk might help though

What are the chances that it would be a Friday night?

Cheers everyone!

fr336 · 12-09-2014 06:02PM

Brian? wrote: »

He was tea total and vehemently pro temperance.

Maybe that's all he needed!

Lapin · 12-09-2014 06:09PM

Its fashionable and popular right now to throw insulting and defamitory remarks on the family of Dr Paisley right now.

The truth is - Most of those spurting their artificial angst and vitriol in his direction in After Hours haven't a fucking clue what the hell they are on about.

If they are old enough to remember the violence in this island, they should know better.

But I reckon most of those posting here were still shítting in their nappies after the Good Friday Agreement was signeed.

They haven't a clue.

twinytwo · 12-09-2014 06:13PM

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

Dieing for a piece of cloth isn't dieing to preserve my freedom and rights.

Find me one person who ever died for a,piece of cloth?

Its what that piece of cloth represents.

Donkey Oaty · 12-09-2014 06:15PM

fr336 wrote: »

Maybe that's all he needed!

He used to have a glass of cider vinegar with honey for breakfast.

Source: an interview with Deborah Ross in The Independent, and reproduced in the LA Times obit, which doesn't credit her.

Let's lighten the atmosphere and celebrate the life of Big Ian with a song.

hotmail.com · 12-09-2014 06:17PM

Lapin wrote: »

A Great Man in so many ways.

And occasionally flawed in others.

But his contribution to the betterment of everyone on these islands will be his outstanding and everlasting legacy.

History will judge him well.

And rightly so.

Rest in Peace.

He was part of the problem for 35 years, opposed the civil rights marches of the 1960s, ran a Ulster says No to sodomy campaign (which he never regretted), heightened tensions, effectively encouraged Loyalist actions (whilst by contradiction, condemned them) and so on and on.

I think "flawed" is the quite the understatement.

Karl Stein · 12-09-2014 06:17PM

Lapin wrote: »

Its fashionable and popular right now to throw insulting and defamitory remarks on the family of Dr Paisley right now.

Who is insulting Paisley's family? Why are you using 'Dr' as a prefix? What was he a Doctor of?

But I reckon most of those posting here were still shítting in their nappies after the Good Friday Agreement was signeed.

And that's why I never criticise Hitler, Stalin, Pinochet, Suharto etc.. I have no right to because they did their deeds before I was born.

And you say others' haven't a clue.

Ridiculous.

hotmail.com · 12-09-2014 06:19PM

Lapin wrote: »

Its fashionable and popular right now to throw insulting and defamitory remarks on the family of Dr Paisley right now.

The truth is - Most of those spurting their artificial angst and vitriol in his direction in After Hours haven't a fucking clue what the hell they are on about.

If they are old enough to remember the violence in this island, they should know better.

But I reckon most of those posting here were still shítting in their nappies after the Good Friday Agreement was signeed.

They haven't a clue.

The Good Friday Agreement was opposed by Paisely FYI. Yes if you remember the period or have read about, Ian Paisely was a bigotted man that did not aid in the process of peace and many people believe he exacerbated the situation, ultimately prolonging the death and destruction.

And people are entitled to hold that view and don't need to be talked down to by you.

ballsymchugh · 12-09-2014 06:22PM

hotmail.com wrote: »

The Good Friday Agreement was opposed by Paisely FYI. Yes if you remember the period or have read about, Ian Paisely was a bigotted man that did not aid in the process of peace and many people believe he exacerbated the situation, ultimately prolonging the death and destruction.

And people are entitled to hold that view and don't need to be talked down to you.

aye. he had a vigil outside Stormont on the Thursday night beforehand hoping it would all fall apart.

se conman · 12-09-2014 06:25PM

Hate myself for posting this, but,
Dr. Paisley converted to Catholicism on his death bed, his reasoning was that he would rather a Catholic die instead of a good Protestant.

Uriel. · 12-09-2014 06:31PM

I'd be another person that has nothing good to say of the man, and I won't mourn his passing either. Nor will I celebrate it mind you.
I can't fathom how he could ever label himself a Christian, considering his actions and words

Chrissybhoy · 12-09-2014 06:32PM

se conman wrote: »

Hate myself for posting this, but,
Dr. Paisley converted to Catholicism on his death bed, his reasoning was that he would rather a Catholic die instead of a good Protestant.

Proof of the the disgusting man he was.

FTA69 · 12-09-2014 06:33PM

joseph brand wrote: »

I want to play 'devil's advocate' and say something nice about Ian, but I'm having trouble.

He didn't murder or rape anyone. Is that good enough?

He didn't murder anyone directly, he just had a hand in three different paramilitary groups that went on to kill people and later made sanctimonious declarations about the evils of "terrorism".

joseph brand · 12-09-2014 06:34PM

"No, I wouldn't" - his response to John Hume, an SDLP politician who said that if the word "no" were removed from the English language, Paisley would be speechless.

Hitchens has a great quote about another religious, hate-filled bigot:
“If you gave [Jerry] Falwell an enema he could be buried in a matchbox.”

Always worth sharing, and it could be modified for Ian.

FTA69 · 12-09-2014 06:36PM

Lapin wrote: »

Its fashionable and popular right now to throw insulting and defamitory remarks on the family of Dr Paisley right now.

The truth is - Most of those spurting their artificial angst and vitriol in his direction in After Hours haven't a fucking clue what the hell they are on about.

If they are old enough to remember the violence in this island, they should know better.

But I reckon most of those posting here were still shítting in their nappies after the Good Friday Agreement was signeed.

They haven't a clue.

He was a fanatical bigot who had a direct hand in fomenting sectarian violence based on the notion of a superior people in Ireland. Spare us your pseudo-wisdom rubbish please. His deeds are plain as day to be judged.

porsche959 · 12-09-2014 06:36PM

Karl Stein wrote: »

Who is insulting Paisley's family? Why are you using 'Dr' as a prefix? What was he a Doctor of?

He had a doctorate from dodgy fundamentalist Bob Jones University. Perhaps Paul Brady's cutting allusion is more fitting however:

They're raising banners over by the markets
Whitewashing slogans on the shipyard walls
Witchdoctors praying for a mighty showdown
No way our holy flag is gonna fall

conorh91 · 12-09-2014 06:38PM

Ah shur he's up there now, with Our Lord and Stalin and Bob Marley.

Shakespeare's Sister · 12-09-2014 06:41PM

Lapin wrote: »

Its fashionable and popular right now to throw insulting and defamitory remarks on the family of Dr Paisley right now.

The truth is - Most of those spurting their artificial angst and vitriol in his direction in After Hours haven't a fucking clue what the hell they are on about.

If they are old enough to remember the violence in this island, they should know better.

But I reckon most of those posting here were still shítting in their nappies after the Good Friday Agreement was signeed.

They haven't a clue.

I think one person had a go at his family.

It's "fashionable" actually to be a revisionist in relation to Northern Ireland and to pretend Ian Paisley (linked to loyalist paramilitaries, spreading hate towards nationalists) was "a great man".
And I echo Karl Stein: what the utter fuq difference does it make if people don't remember the Troubles?

What a feeble attempt to sh-t on people's views.
If anything, those who remember the Troubles would surely remember his loathsome behaviour, but oh yeh, it's "in" now to pretend the Troubles was ALL the IRA.
I think Robinson is worse and can recognise big Ian was probably all right in some ways as an individual, but the glossing over his appalling bigotry is sickening and pathetically forelock-tugging.

If he had apologised for his bigotry and hate-spreading and links to loyalism I'd find that very admirable, but he didn't so people can criticise him (instead of licking up pitifully) if they wish. They have good cause.

greenman09 · 12-09-2014 06:43PM

Indirectly responsible for many deaths in the north with his vile hate speeches. I soften towards him when the assembly began. His documentary on BBC was supposed to be good too
My granny used to say 'hell will never be full til that bastard is in it'

Red Nissan · 12-09-2014 06:44PM

As I understand it, he stood up for his rights and what he believed in, even if he was a loud mouthed eeejit type of cartoon character.

Oddly enough, an entertaining character, as time passes.

iDave · 12-09-2014 06:45PM

This truly is a great day for Ireland

Chrissybhoy · 12-09-2014 06:48PM

Red Nissan wrote: »

As I understand it, he stood up for his rights and what he believed in, even if he was a loud mouthed eeejit type of cartoon character.

Oddly enough, an entertaining character, as time passes.

What he believed in that people shouldn't be equal ?

Shakespeare's Sister · 12-09-2014 06:51PM

Red Nissan wrote: »

As I understand it, he stood up for his rights and what he believed in, even if he was a loud mouthed eeejit type of cartoon character.

Oddly enough, an entertaining character, as time passes.

As I understand it, he spread hate towards a community. I love this "he stood up for his beliefs" sh-t, conveniently leaving out the way he endorsed ostracisation and subjugation of a community.

And Dr? This is based on an honorary doctorate bestowed on him by Bob jones university - lifted the ban on interracial dating in 2000.

Lol at lickspittles calling him Dr paisley.

MRnotlob606 · 12-09-2014 06:54PM

How can you say rest in peace to a man full of hate. I don't give a **** about him.

Red Nissan · 12-09-2014 06:55PM

Chrissybhoy wrote: »

What he believed in that people shouldn't be equal ?

Everyone cannot be equal, even today, though free, we cannot be equal, we should be paid our responsibility rate in exchange for labour.

The Backwards Man · 12-09-2014 06:57PM

Shakespeare's Sister wrote: »

As I understand it, he spread hate towards a community. I love this "he stood up for his beliefs" sh-t, conveniently leaving out the way he endorsed ostracisation and subjugation of a community.

And Dr? This is based on an honorary doctorate bestowed on him by Bob jones university - lifted the ban on interracial dating in 2000.

Lol at lickspittles calling him Dr paisley.

Have to agree with you there, if Dobson said it one more time there the 40inch was getting a twelve inch boot.:pac:

Red Nissan · 12-09-2014 06:58PM

Shakespeare's Sister wrote: »

And Dr? This is based on an honorary doctorate bestowed on him by Bob jones university - lifted the ban on interracial dating in 2000.

I always thought he bestowed that title on himself. Like I can write away to a US University, enclose said amount in ready cash and be Dr. Red Nissan in the morning.

20Cent · 12-09-2014 06:59PM

Wonder what would have happened if the civil rights movement had been able to operate without having been attacked by Paisley's mobs. A strong movement would have de legitimised the IRA and probably gotten us to where we are today without thirty odd years of violence.

20Cent · 12-09-2014 06:59PM

Wonder what would have happened if the civil rights movement had been able to operate without having been attacked by Paisley's mobs. A strong movement would have de legitimised the IRA and probably gotten us to where we are today without thirty odd years of violence.

Ian Paisley has died

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