Ian Paisley has died

Shakespeare's Sister · 12-09-2014 01:10PM

dgt wrote: »

Popular man in AH, half the threads in here are about him....

RIP

Learn the meaning of the term "popular".

Vile bigot with questionable links to hardline loyalists who did mellow when career ended and was apparently a pleasant fella to deal with one on one.

But still... vile bigot with questionable links to hardline loyalists.

Acknowledging this as an Irish person won't make you a ra-head, it's ok.

Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo · 12-09-2014 01:11PM

Frank Lee Midere wrote: »

You have to judge a long life by the end of it. If Nelson Mandela died in prison he would have remembered as a firey anti-white terrorist radical on par with Malcom X.

Same goes for Adams. Judge the entire life.

He wasn't a nice man.

ardle1 · 12-09-2014 01:12PM

Reoil wrote: »

RIP the big man.
Wonder what the reaction will be up here!

I'm very saddened............... by this particular Geographical error.
It's 'down' here! Not 'up' here!
That's all I have to say on the matter,.
Carry on.

Nailz · 12-09-2014 01:12PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxpYW_w5pgo

jaykay74 · 12-09-2014 01:12PM

Why do the good die young...

SpaceTime · 12-09-2014 01:12PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Bigots tend to be nice to some people.

Yup, absolutely but I think the guy actually did "grow up" and start to see the bigger picture in his 70s.

All I'd say is that he kind of personifies a section of Northern Irish's political history.
Maybe we can learn something from his later years and maybe not go down that disastrous route that he took people in the 60s, 70s and 80s.

I'm certainly open to seeing someone change and develop and I think he genuinely did and that's a major redeeming feature that a lot of people who were key to the peace process have.

We need to bury the hatchet sometimes and accept that people can learn and change.

Santa Cruz · 12-09-2014 01:12PM

The Backwards Man wrote: »

If only everything in life were black and white eh? I know plenty of people that had enormous respect for Paisley the local politician, Paisley the fire and brimstoner is a whole other fish.

I know a Tory Islander who swears they'd have all been thrown off the island if it wasn't for Paisley standing up for them in Europe.

And Stalin loved labradors.

SEPT 23 1989 · 12-09-2014 01:13PM

He was right about this state and its relationship with the Catholic Church

Shakespeare's Sister · 12-09-2014 01:13PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Remember guys, despising someone for their well-documented actions makes you no better than a bigot. Somehow.

Don't mind them, they're just trying to make themselves feel all enlightened and superior and smug.

con___manx1 · 12-09-2014 01:14PM

They breed like rabbits and multiply like vermon. Talking about Catholics at a rally in 1969. **** him and that kunt thatcher. Hope they rot in hell

policarp · 12-09-2014 01:15PM

anncoates wrote: »

I'll not bother with any insincere homilies about him 'making the peace process possible' when a peace process wouldn't have been required in the first place if not for him and others of his ilk.

He was the I.R.A's most successful recruiting officer at that time.

R P McMurphy · 12-09-2014 01:15PM

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Whether you agree or not he fought for the people he represented the same as Adams and McGuinness. I won't lose any sleep over his passing but i also wouldn't throw out hateful posts.

'fought for the people he represented' by opposing any reforms in the 1960's to bring about a more equitable society. That is not exactly fighting for the people he represented as some ended up dead or maimed over the next 30 years. His contribution to the instigation of hostilities can't be overstated

FTA69 · 12-09-2014 01:15PM

I knew there'd be the typical nonsense about "a man of his time", and "peaceful in his later life" etc. The reality is that Ian Paisley embodied the worst aspects of bigotry and fanaticism in Ireland. You could never blame one individual for the conflict in Ireland, but you can be sure that his campaign of dehumanisation of Catholics in the 1960s was one the single biggest factors in reigniting it. His methods of organisation (or inflammation) went far beyond "fire and brimstone" preaching as well. He was up to his neck in paramilitarism and at one stage would actually speak from a podium in Loyalist areas and read out names and addresses of Catholics who happened to live there. Needless to say he was in his car home before the windows were smashed and the houses burned.

His brand of politics was rooted in a concept of Unionist supremacy, instigating fear of the Fenian hordes and intertwined with fanatical and exclusionary Bible-bashing religion. He was an awful character.

fr336 · 12-09-2014 01:15PM

Shakespeare's Sister wrote: »

Don't mind them, they're just trying to make themselves feel all enlightened and superior and smug.

Yes that can only ever be the explanation - "what's in it for me". Don't judge others by your own standards.

ireland.man · 12-09-2014 01:15PM

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Whether you agree or not he fought for the people he represented the same as Adams and McGuinness. I won't lose any sleep over his passing but i also wouldn't throw out hateful posts.

He didn't fight for his people like republicans did... Adams and McGuinness were part of a movement seeking equal rights for everyone (ostensibly anyway, if you're not a supporter of republicans). He was a bigot using violence and fear to keep one community disenfranchised and downtrodden.

Dermighty · 12-09-2014 01:15PM

Good riddance

jaykay74 · 12-09-2014 01:16PM

half of Ulster say Yes

McGrath5 · 12-09-2014 01:17PM

con___manx1 wrote: »

They breed like rabbits and multiply like vermon. Talking about Catholics at a rally in 1969. **** him and that kunt thatcher. Hope they rot in hell

I think if you are taking comments that where made in 1969 to heart, you need to chill.

12-09-2014 01:17PM

SpaceTime wrote: »

Yup, absolutely but I think the guy actually did "grow up" and start to see the bigger picture in his 70s.

All I'd say is that he kind of personifies a section of Northern Irish's political history.
Maybe we can learn something from his later years and maybe not go down that disastrous route that he took people in the 60s, 70s and 80s.

I'm certainly open to seeing someone change and develop and I think he genuinely did and that's a major redeeming feature that a lot of people who were key to the peace process have.

We need to bury the hatchet sometimes and accept that people can learn and change.

When he got a sniff of power you mean?

I have no truck with people I haven't met. I don't despise Loyalists or Protestants or Unionists as some kind of faceless proletariat. Burying the hatchet with Paisley is like giving Timothy McVeigh a dustpan and brush and telling him he can home when he's tired.

Timberrrrrrrr · 12-09-2014 01:17PM

R P McMurphy wrote: »

'fought for the people he represented' by opposing any reforms in the 1960's to bring about a more equitable society. That is not exactly fighting for the people he represented as some ended up dead or maimed over the next 30 years. His contribution to the instigation of hostilities can't be overstated

I never said he didn't contribute to the troubles, Am just surprised at the amount on here who seem to think everything was down to him, one man caused it all and he is dead now so Yayyyyyyyy says AH :rolleyes:

Dyr · 12-09-2014 01:18PM

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

He was right about this state and its relationship with the Catholic Church

You could'nt have slid a blade of grass between Ian's views on social issues and the popes.

His problem with the bead rattlers down south was that they were papists not that they were backward superstitious ball bags.

EunanMac · 12-09-2014 01:18PM

whippet wrote: »

he was in my list of the top three people i'd have loved to have a pint with. I'd say he had some stories to tell.

As for his young fella .....

For inciting and promoting sectarian hatred for 60+ years ?

Paisley was one of the chief causes of the troubles in NI

Shakespeare's Sister · 12-09-2014 01:19PM

fr336 wrote: »

Yes that can only ever be the explanation - "what's in it for me". Don't judge others by your own standards.

Platitudes as to how he was just misunderstood and really a decent auld skin, especially from catholic Irish (whom he openly detested) are misguided, end of.

fr336 · 12-09-2014 01:19PM

ulstergael wrote: »

He is viewed as satan himself in these parts but I enjoyed listening to his rants "Ulssstteeeer"

He was a great performer, he inspired big liam neeson to get into acting.

Oh well all is forgiven.

Yamanoto · 12-09-2014 01:19PM

Laughed at this from The Guardians comments section

I think the best tribute which we can pay is to all observe a minutes shouting

FrKurtFahrt · 12-09-2014 01:19PM

Excellent timing. I haven't had a good pi$$ up since Thatcher died, I might just have one this evening.

o1s1n · 12-09-2014 01:20PM

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

I never said he didn't contribute to the troubles, Am just surprised at the amount on here who seem to think everything was down to him, one man caused it all and he is dead now so Yayyyyyyyy says AH :rolleyes:

Is anyone really saying that though?

Just because he was one of many bigots doesn't mean he's any less of a bigot.

Santa Cruz · 12-09-2014 01:20PM

Reoil wrote: »

Martin McGuinness:

"Over a number of decades we were political opponents and held very different views on many, many issues but the one thing we were absolutely united on was the principle that our people were better able to govern themselves than any British government."

not to mention "if I had my way you wouldn't have lived to 88"

fr336 · 12-09-2014 01:20PM

Shakespeare's Sister wrote: »

Platitudes as to how he was just misunderstood and really a decent auld skin, especially from catholic Irish (whom he openly detested) are misguided, end of.

What I read wasn't quite like that, more trying to get beyond petty immaturity which allowed people like Paisley to thrive so much before and evidently would again sadly.

Professional Griefer · 12-09-2014 01:20PM

Last Monday I seen a picture of him in a article and had to check to see if he was still alive. :eek:

RIP

Ian Paisley has died

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