9/11 anniversary, where were you when it happened and was it a conspiracy?

darkpagandeath · 15-09-2013 10:57PM

Hulk Hands wrote: »

I'm talking about building 7, the one not hit by a plane. I'm only interested in what happened to building 7 really, as it's unthinkable (to me) that they could pull off the whole operation.

Anyway, there's nothing theorists can do to convince anyone, our arguments are never going to be stronger than the best of the internet vidoes. Similarly, the rest have nothing stronger than the official reports. Up to people to make up their own mind, as basically everyone who has looked at it has at this stage. Hopefully that long awaited independent report will come sooner rather than later, and finally expose the lies or shut the theorists up. Until it comes, this will go on and on.

fair enough but

The other building would have been brought down when the foundations were destroyed collapsed after the first tower went down. The sudden shock of liquefaction or some similar phenomenon would have created instant catastrophic stress on the remaining buildings? were not all of them in the area brought down you have to remember that the 2 towers had huge foundations.

darced · 15-09-2013 11:04PM

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Hulk Hands · 15-09-2013 11:05PM

darkpagandeath wrote: »

fair enough but

The other building would have been brought down when the foundations were destroyed collapsed after the first tower went down. The sudden shock of liquefaction or some similar phenomenon would have created instant catastrophic stress on the remaining buildings? were not all of them in the area brought down you have to remember that the 2 towers had huge foundations.

No, only WTC7, located 100 yards away.

darkpagandeath · 15-09-2013 11:08PM

still massive foundations over several blocks though no ?

Canis Lupus · 15-09-2013 11:28PM

niallo27 wrote: »

I never said it was an inside job, i just think its very odd, you said in your earlier post it was the straighforward answer that the building fell from fire damage and now you are saying its very rare, no other buildings that werent hit by planes suffered a complete collapse that day even building underneath the towers. WTC 7 was a bit away from the towers so a complete collapse was very very odd.

Nope, you said it was rare and I pointed out that just because it's rare doesn't mean it can't happen and lets face it, towers of that size don't get impacted from massive chunks of debris and have fires raging on multiple levels every day now do they so it's not like we have a wealth of information to go on. What we have is A: a report which discovered why and how the building fell and we have B: common sense.

JonathanAnon · 16-09-2013 02:01AM

Jonny7 wrote: »

"Government story?" You make it sound like there weren't thousands of witnesses (or millions if you count in television viewers) and that the only source of information was the government

This sort of backs up my initial point. You cant even say anything without somebody picking up some sort of inferred bias... When I say Government story, I just mean the 9/11 Commission Report, or basically the Government's version of what happened on 9/11.

There are thousands of witnesses both for and against both sides.. I have objectively looked at the footage of every aspect of 9/11, but it just leaves questions... particularly the following two points
i) The plane hitting the pentagon... The pilot could do the flying, and the amazing feat of taking the plane down from 30,000 feet to slam it perfectly in to the side of the Pentagon is very difficult to believe...
ii) WTC7 seems to be a controlled demolition. I've seen actual controlled demolitions, and they are not as perfectly symmetric as the collapse of Building 7. Only steel building in history (that wasnt hit by a plane) that collapsed because of fire? It just doesnt add up.

I'd love to see the footage from the pentagon, if it debunks what I'm saying all the better, but why dont they show it?

ardle1 · 16-09-2013 04:59AM

knucklehead6 wrote: »

Robbing Boney's post.

A tsunami washed away 250,000 people in Thailand and Bangladesh and Indonesia?
It was Stephen's Day, wasn't it? My family had rented out some cabins in County Galway, which had no access to TV or radio, so we didn't hear about it the next day. At home with the folks, trying to get through to my brother who was christmasing in Indonesia. Got hold of him the next day

Another tsunami washed away 15,000 people in Japan?
I was in my rented accommodation and was watching it in my then-housemate's bedroom, both being shocked by what was happening on-screen.
At work. I rang my dad to find out where in SE asia the brother was at that time. He was in N.Z.

An assault on Fallujah killed 40,000 Iraqis?
Don't know what day that was, so can't tell you. your figures are waaaaaaaaaay off

Estimates of Civilians killed vary from 1400 killed in both battles to 2000.
FWIW, I would have been at work for both battles.

Any other day in Afghanistan ...who knows how many?
Dunno, but do you know the answer without looking it up on the news or on Google.

Brevick slaughtered a load of kids?
Oh, this I know. I was at remember this one, I was at my family home and was amazed to hear there had been a bombing there, then in complete shock when I read about what it had lead to.

At work, trying to follow it on Sky news.

7/7?
At my family home again. One of the first things I did is text a then-friend of mine who was living in London at the time, just to make sure they were OK.

At work, but sent a cousin who lived in London at the time an FB message hoping he was ok. His reply was an almost carbon copy of a mail from a cousin on the other side of the family after the American Airlines jet crashed in Queens in November 2001. "London (Queens) is a big place, I'm fine but thanks for the concern"

Saudi tanks moved into Bahrain and destroyed anyone who wanted to say something?
Dunno when that happened. But probably in bed? Dunno that one. When was it?

Diana died?
Don't know, but I remember going to the shop when her funeral was on and being annoyed by how much coverage it was getting across loads of channels. I was young and wanted to watch cartoons.
At work, it was a sunday morning and i got shot down by the hot girl who worked in the newsagents i used stop into on the way to work. There was always a bit of flirting going on but when i suggested a drink she sad no.... ah well.

How lazy is this guy? 'The Lazy Memory Man'......:rolleyes:

ardle1 · 16-09-2013 05:16AM

IvaBigWun wrote: »

Did real planes hit the twin towers? Yes. Anyone who thinks otherwise isnt a conspiracy nut, they're just nuts.

There was however many faked "amateur" videos that have since been exposed.

Like this

Eh listen to you self, the narrator is actually saying that this is a fake video put out by media... In other words he's saying this as if, 'this is what the media or whoever released the video wants us to see/believe'!! so it's not a faked 'amateur' video.. It's a faked video from 'unknown sources'.!!!

knucklehead6 · 16-09-2013 07:36AM

ardle1 wrote: »

How lazy is this guy? 'The Lazy Memory Man'......:rolleyes:

good point, well made... :rolleyes:

renofan · 16-09-2013 09:38AM

I was in work. There used to be a TV shop under our office so went down to it and saw the second place hit the second tower and was gobsmacked.

As for the conspiracy theory, I was young, nobody I knew was involved in it, so I continued to live my life and tbh didn't think much on it. Can't see how something on that scale could be a conspiracy though.

What I am grateful for is that if the planes hit a half hour to 40 mins later there could have been 12k plus people in them buildings as the time it did hit was before most got to work.

IvaBigWun · 18-09-2013 10:08PM

ardle1 wrote: »

Eh listen to you self, the narrator is actually saying that this is a fake video put out by media... In other words he's saying this as if, 'this is what the media or whoever released the video wants us to see/believe'!! so it's not a faked 'amateur' video.. It's a faked video from 'unknown sources'.!!!

Eh listen yourself.

It was a faked video, presented by media sources as real footage taken by an amateur film maker.

IvaBigWun · 10-09-2014 04:31PM

On the eve of the anniversary lets get the debate going again.

Roughly one third of Americans believe that the 9/11 attacks were an inside job.

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/timstanley/100104249/the-911-conspiracy-theories-arent-as-irrational-as-you-might-think/

TwoShedsJackson · 10-09-2014 04:36PM

IvaBigWun wrote: »

On the eve of the anniversary lets get the debate going again.

Roughly one third of Americans believe that the 9/11 attacks were an inside job.

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/timstanley/100104249/the-911-conspiracy-theories-arent-as-irrational-as-you-might-think/

And about 40% of them think Obama is a Muslim Socialist that was born in Kenya.

Shakespeare's Sister · 10-09-2014 04:46PM

Fair play on keeping the inside job a secret, despite the huge numbers who would have been in on it.

TwoShedsJackson · 10-09-2014 04:50PM

Shakespeare's Sister wrote: »

Fair play on keeping the inside job a secret, despite the huge numbers who would have been in on it.

Same story with the Moon landings, yeah that was faked and not one of the 50,000 people in on it has ever blabbed...

Why do people always insist on conveying upon these 'conspirators' this god-like ability to hoodwink people, all evidence to the contrary.

//posted from my secret city underneath Tokyo Bay using my iPhone 78 extra-conspiratorial model.

Larbre34 · 10-09-2014 04:54PM

IvaBigWun wrote: »

On the eve of the anniversary lets get the debate going again.

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Let's not, and just say we did.

I've already given up on C4,E4, More4, Connect 4 and all the Discovery/Nat Geos this week as they remind me of every detail of that day as if Id never heard it before.

Tigger · 10-09-2014 05:08PM

Super-Rush wrote: »

Tomorrow two years i will be gettign married.

1 year to go

Harry Palmr · 10-09-2014 05:41PM

TwoShedsJackson wrote: »

Same story with the Moon landings, yeah that was faked and not one of the 50,000 people in on it has ever blabbed...

Why do people always insist on conveying upon these 'conspirators' this god-like ability to hoodwink people, all evidence to the contrary.

//posted from my secret city underneath Tokyo Bay using my iPhone 78 extra-conspiratorial model.

Who says there were 50,000 working on the Apollo programme eh eh? I bet NASA just made that number up and photoshopped the group picture! :pac:

(I'm posting from inside a volcano somewhere cold, I think its about to blow

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Egginacup · 10-09-2014 06:10PM

Karl Stein wrote: »

A conspiracy of that magnitude could not be kept secret.

No need to keep it a secret.

Just provide an alternative explanation that people are more willing to believe and then ridicule those who disagree.

FloatingVoter · 10-09-2014 06:42PM

I was having an inane argument with my mother. Then the first plane hit. I roared "Shut the **** up, get in here" at her. We watched the second plane live on Sky News. I went down the pub and we watched the towers collapse. Never have so many drunks been so sober at the same time (sorry, Winston).
As for conspiracies - grow up and fantasise about the Loch Ness monster or the moon landing. Too many people died for it to be the subject of childish rubbish. If you have a valid conspiracy theory, write a script and mail it to Hollywood. They'll put robots in. With aliens on top.

Lollipops23 · 10-09-2014 07:12PM

I'm living in Ontario right now and got into discussing the "where were you when it happened" thing with one of my housemates.

She said that after the second plane hit, they were all sent home from school. They didn't know where was going to be hit next, and knew at least one plane was missing. Seeing that where we are is quite near the NY state border, they thought they could be next (a small chance, but big enough to worry authorities) so wanted everyone to go home to their families.

Never occurred to me that Canada would be affected like that- it must have been so terrifying.

Mint Aero · 10-09-2014 07:16PM

IvaBigWun wrote: »

12 years ago tomorrow this generation's JFK shooting happened and the aftermath is still ongoing with extra security measures in airports, in countries where America went hunting for "WMD"s. and in invaded Afghanistan where they "deposed the Taliban" which had "harboured al-Qaeda"

I woke up late that day, just after noon, so I didnt see it live like a lot of people I spoke to that evening. It was Sky News and the BBC for rolling news all day as the images kept coming out and the whispers of where Ireland would start in World War 3 began. It thankfully didnt come to that of course but nothing was being ruled out in the initial few days after.

Do I think it was a conspiracy? Yes.

Ive watched countless documentaries (not Loose Change ) and read up on this as much as possible and it still comes down to that thought I had when I was still half asleep switching on the TV that day:

"Why is someone demolishing the twin towers?"

I believe the twin towers and WTC 7 (a building that was never hit by a plane, yet fell at freefall speed) all came down via controlled demolition.

There is also something very off about the Pentagon attack and the crashing of Flight 93.

Tomorrow is the 9/11 anniversary. Where were you when it happened on 11/9/2001 and was it a conspiracy?

After noon?? Didn't see it live because you woke up just after noon?
Explain...because the first crash happened about 2pm GMT.

So just exactly where were you?!!!!!

IvaBigWun · 10-09-2014 07:54PM

Mint Aero wrote: »

After noon?? Didn't see it live because you woke up just after noon?
Explain...because the first crash happened about 2pm GMT.

So just exactly where were you?!!!!!

I was in WTC 7 conducting it all from the Mayor's Emergancy Bunker

But really, it was 13 years ago (12 when I wrote that) so I might be wrong about the "just after noon" part. I do know Id been out late the night before though so it was a late lie in.

>_>

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Pumpkinseeds · 10-09-2014 07:56PM

We'd just travelled down from York to London and stopped off at the in-laws flat. The tv was on with the volume muted and we were chatting to my brother in-law, not taking much notice of the 'film' that was on tv. It suddenly dawned on us that it wasn't a film, not long after that there were a lot of emergency sirens in the distance in London. An awful time for so many families who lost loved ones that day.

Mint Aero · 10-09-2014 08:46PM

IvaBigWun wrote: »

I was in WTC 7 conducting it all from the Mayor's Emergancy Bunker

But really, it was 13 years ago (12 when I wrote that) so I might be wrong about the "just after noon" part. I do know Id been out late the night before though so it was a late lie in.

>_>

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Story just doesn't add up...what were you doing out late on a Monday night? Hmmm, planning something?

renegademaster · 10-09-2014 08:58PM

as the years go by and the extreemly profitable war on terror that arose from it spreads out even further each and every year it gets harder and harder to remember the shock felt that day, it's nothing to the shock i've experienced since!!

conspiracy or not, some people have made their careers and serious profits from it, 99.9% of the planet have paid a heavy price for it all, and that's a FACT!!

IvaBigWun · 10-09-2014 09:15PM

renegademaster wrote: »

99.9% of the planet have paid a heavy price for it all, and that's a FACT!!

Eh?

Explain.

beks101 · 10-09-2014 09:53PM

I was sat in Mrs. Flaherty's biology class in 5th year, studying Mitosis and staring out the window. Had never been to the States and had never heard about the twin towers, but knew something serious had happened when she stopped class and wheeled the TV in.

We all watched the second tower get hit live on RTE, open-mouthed in horror, Mrs. Flaherty with tears rolling down her cheeks.

I went home then and sat transfixed in front of Sky News watching the replays, the huge smoke clouds billowing, people running for their lives as the towers crashed like it was a horror film.

The following week our English assignment was to "write a reporter's account of Ground Zero in the aftermath of 911". I got an A+ and decided that day I was going to become a journalist. 13 years later I'm stuck in a stuffy newsroom for an American TV network editing the script for an anniversary piece on 911.

Was it a conspiracy: No.

Mint Aero · 10-09-2014 10:12PM

IvaBigWun wrote: »

Eh?

Explain.

"Explain"

Stop trying to be me

Tail Docker · 10-09-2014 10:18PM

beks101 wrote: »

I was sat in Mrs. Flaherty's biology class in 5th year, studying Mitosis and staring out the window. Had never been to the States and had never heard about the twin towers, but knew something serious had happened when she stopped class and wheeled the TV in.

We all watched the second tower get hit live on RTE, open-mouthed in horror, Mrs. Flaherty with tears rolling down her cheeks.

I went home then and sat transfixed in front of Sky News watching the replays, the huge smoke clouds billowing, people running for their lives as the towers crashed like it was a horror film.

The following week our English assignment was to "write a reporter's account of Ground Zero in the aftermath of 911". I got an A+ and decided that day I was going to become a journalist. 12 years later I'm stuck in a stuffy newsroom for an American TV network editing the script for an anniversary piece on 911.

Was it a conspiracy: No.

I believe it was a black op. Simple as. It worked, it made billions and like getting shut of Kennedy, it will always be "a mystery". Fair fecks to the ruthless fcukers, they really did think big, in fairness.

9/11 anniversary, where were you when it happened and was it a conspiracy?

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