Kelly brook, domestic violence and media silence

TheBeardedLady · 10-09-2014 12:47PM

People don't take it seriously. The comments on this thread prove that.

Gannicus · 10-09-2014 12:49PM

padd b1975 wrote: »

Schofield or his co-anchor really should have called her on this at the time instead of sitting there smirking.

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To me it seemed like they were trying not to giggle at it.

She seems pretty ditzy alright. As a previous poster says if Joey Essex was the one sitting there Holly and Phil would have torn him apart from the get go. it really is a terrible double standard in the media and the wider population.

tritium · 10-09-2014 12:49PM

The Purveyor of Truth wrote: »

Oh, disagree with you there..

Schofield started off with a somewhat serious tone but at the end he was laughing with her and gave her a look like you would give a kid that was denying they eat a packet of biscuits that went missing. I can't imagine them having the same tone if they were discussing male-on-female domestic violence.

The message is regularly sent in society that it's okay for women to hit guys. Each week you will see at least one or two TV shows or movies where a woman is slapping a guy for something, often in comedies. Same with women kneeing men in the groin. Sure when we see how some women can laugh at woman cutting of a man's penis, it's hardly surprising when society has tumbleweed reaction to punches and slaps.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=muuFygvXPAM

Jeez that clip is screwed up. Can you imagine a male panel having a similar discussion about FGM?

No, me neither

We're in danger of going a bit off the op though. Would people still support celebs and the brands they endorse after this sort of scumbaggery?

beks101 · 10-09-2014 12:56PM

Mr.McLovin wrote: »

She can beat the shíte out of me anyday of the week once I get some make up sex later

Really?

You'd let this woman, or any woman you perceive to be 'hot', to full-on punch you right in the face any time she thought you had 'stepped out of line'? Just because you get to have sex with her?

Czarcasm · 10-09-2014 12:59PM

tritium wrote: »

That doesn't really make any sense C? Kelly, image sells, no one cares when she tarnishes that image. Sport star (male) wins big sports games, gets dropped like abbot snot if he tarnishes his image

Not exactly what I meant by "image" (as has clearly been displayed in this thread, people aren't interested in seeing much more beyond a pretty face and a nice rack), but with the likes of a sports star, their endorsements are based on their ability (think Tiger Woods, dropped by his sponsors after his affairs came out).

To take a comparable analogy, if Joey Essex slapped a woman would people just laugh it off?

I have to be honest, the mental image of Joey Essex slapping a woman gave me a chuckle. That's the problem with using celebrities as examples of what for some people is an everyday occurrence. It isn't helped by calling Kelly Brook a violent cow, because while it's nigh on impossible to take Kelly Brook seriously, calling her a violent cow is just giving her more validation than she really deserves, and people will be distracted from the issue of domestic violence in order to pull you up on what they see as your misogyny. Hey, don't look at me, I'm honestly not that fazed, the same way I wouldn't be fazed if I heard Joey Essex slapped a woman.

I think there may be something else going on there, possibly involving the gender thing....

Possibly? Of course it's a gender thing. A double standard exists in reality in society that will never be overcome by all the online talk of "gender equality" and all the rest of it. If you want to highlight the issue of female on male domestic violence specifically, then some silly socialite celebrity is probably not the best way to make that point, and an even worse way to make that point is to start off by referring to her as a violent cow.

People will tend to miss your point.

Dolbert · 10-09-2014 12:59PM

Links234 wrote: »

Hmm, thread about how domestic violence against men doesn't get taken seriously, filled with comments from lads saying "I'd let her slap me around, hur hur hur!"

Even though it's exclusively men joking about it, it's still the feminists' fault. Somehow.

Isolt · 10-09-2014 01:01PM

She's been saying lots of stupid stuff lately. I don't think she's a very smart lady and her advisors are making some very unwise choices. Personally I thought they should have been a little more tactful with her quotes about calling her stillborn baby a miscarriage. I totally understand this was Kelly's coping mechanism after such an awful tragedy but her advisors really should have been more aware of how these comments affect other grieving women, who did give birth and name their babies lost at the same gestation.
Likewise, I worry a little bit about how the giggling response to this woman punching a man in the face is affecting the men out there who are trying to get themselves in the headspace to leave an abusive relationship. I don't expect much better from her, she's not really very intelligent but I am a bit disappointed with how much of her nonsense is being listened to/entertained.

Gatling · 10-09-2014 01:03PM

beks101 wrote: »

Really?

You'd let this woman, or any woman you perceive to be 'hot', to full-on punch you right in the face any time she thought you had 'stepped out of line'? Just because you get to have sex with her?

Have you ever heard the saying

Beat me,
Spank me,
And tie me to a chair ,

Mostly amoust men and young men

All is forgiven for a good ride

Not my opinion but it's fairly common she's hot and I'd rather people went dude your awesome your missus is hot as stink

darced · 10-09-2014 01:06PM

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Shakespeare's Sister · 10-09-2014 01:06PM

Gatling wrote: »

All is forgiven for a good ride

Not my opinion but it's fairly common she's hot and I'd rather people went dude your awesome your missus is hot as stink

****ing hell are you 15?!

Anythings fair game once "the lads" think your missus is hot?

Classicporter · 10-09-2014 01:11PM

humanji wrote: »

It's worth pointing out that in the UK, soccer players rarely get dropped for things they do. There was some footballer (I don't follow it so have no idea who he was, or played for) that was involved in a racist attack. He was told if he did it again, he'd be dropped. He did it again and was told if he did it again, he'd be dropped. And he did it again.

It all depends on the section of celebrity they're in.

I' be surprised if footballers weren't dropped by their sponsors if they were known woman beaters.

Gannicus · 10-09-2014 01:16PM

Gatling wrote: »

Have you ever heard the saying

Beat me,
Spank me,
And tie me to a chair ,

Mostly amoust men and young men

All is forgiven for a good ride

Not my opinion but it's fairly common she's hot and I'd rather people went dude your awesome your missus is hot as stink

I know I'll be brought to task for my original post BUT

Thats easy to say now as you're not in a violent relationship but tell that to men who are being physically and mentally abused by their wives and girlfriends etc but are feeling too ashamed or afraid for people to know its happening to them.

darced wrote: »

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That doesn't in any, way shape of form negate what she did.

The Purveyor of Truth · 10-09-2014 01:17PM

One wonders if there'll be a Saturday Night Live sketch parodying the Ray Rice incident, using *ACTUAL ASSAULT* footage as is what was precisely done with the footage of Solange Knowles kicking and punching her brother in law, Jay-Z.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4zvvzSRdtlk

sbsquarepants · 10-09-2014 01:21PM

tritium wrote: »

Two of her exes, Jason Statham and Danny Cipriani

Jesus, I hope they're both ok!:eek:

I sometimes get told I look like Jason Statham, I reckon I could pull Kelly* and I'd happily risk the domestic violence.

*May not be accurate, would be more likely to pull a hamstring in the attempt.:D

pickarooney · 10-09-2014 01:21PM

If the media made a big deal every time someone punched Danny Cirpriani there'd be no space left for anything else.

darced · 10-09-2014 01:25PM

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qo2cj1dsne8y4k · 10-09-2014 01:27PM

darced wrote: »

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So a "real mans man" wouldn't be that bothered if they got punched in the face?

RollieFingers · 10-09-2014 01:28PM

humanji wrote: »

It's worth pointing out that in the UK, soccer players rarely get dropped for things they do. There was some footballer (I don't follow it so have no idea who he was, or played for) that was involved in a racist attack. He was told if he did it again, he'd be dropped. He did it again and was told if he did it again, he'd be dropped. And he did it again.

It all depends on the section of celebrity they're in.

What does a football player have anything to with female on male violence?

Penny Tration · 10-09-2014 01:29PM

It saddens me to see how many men say they'd happily accept her hitting them if she had sex with them too.

Men being victims of domestic violence is taboo enough as it is.

sbsquarepants · 10-09-2014 01:29PM

I've had many rows with many girlfriends over the years and sometimes been on the receiving end of a clatter or two (usually deserved too I have to say). I don't give a toss what anyone says, it is not the same thing as a man boxing a woman, no amount of political correctness will ever make it so.

Gannicus · 10-09-2014 01:30PM

darced wrote: »

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Because it sets a precedent. Also you don't know he's not bothered by it. Maybe his P.R. lads said play it down or just ignore it given his roles in movies as an action hero.

It may make it harder to market him in these roles in the eyes on production companies if he's seen to be getting a few slaps from his girlfriend or more to the point punched in the face by her

darced · 10-09-2014 01:31PM

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pickarooney · 10-09-2014 01:31PM

green_screen wrote: »

It saddens me to see how many men say they'd happily accept her hitting them if she had sex with them too.

Men being victims of domestic violence is taboo enough as it is.

do you really think Jason Statham lives his life cowering in fear of his abusive partner? It's more than a little disingenuous to compare this to the likes of that NFL guy. Like it or not, a bit of physical abuse is part and parcel of many couples' relationships and they're just fine with it.

Duggy747 · 10-09-2014 01:32PM

sbsquarepants wrote: »

I don't give a toss what anyone says, it is not the same thing as a man boxing a woman, no amount of political correctness will ever make it so.

Get in contact with Amen and tell them that.

Penny Tration · 10-09-2014 01:34PM

pickarooney wrote: »

do you really think Jason Statham lives his life cowering in fear of his abusive partner? It's more than a little disingenuous to compare this to the likes of that NFL guy. Like it or not, a bit of physical abuse is part and parcel of many couples' relationships and they're just fine with it.

I never said he did. Like it or not, though, hitting your partner IS domestic abuse.

tritium · 10-09-2014 01:35PM

Czarcasm wrote: »

Not exactly what I meant by "image" (as has clearly been displayed in this thread, people aren't interested in seeing much more beyond a pretty face and a nice rack), but with the likes of a sports star, their endorsements are based on their ability (think Tiger Woods, dropped by his sponsors after his affairs came out).

I have to be honest, the mental image of Joey Essex slapping a woman gave me a chuckle. That's the problem with using celebrities as examples of what for some people is an everyday occurrence. It isn't helped by calling Kelly Brook a violent cow, because while it's nigh on impossible to take Kelly Brook seriously, calling her a violent cow is just giving her more validation than she really deserves, and people will be distracted from the issue of domestic violence in order to pull you up on what they see as your misogyny. Hey, don't look at me, I'm honestly not that fazed, the same way I wouldn't be fazed if I heard Joey Essex slapped a woman.

Possibly? Of course it's a gender thing. A double standard exists in reality in society that will never be overcome by all the online talk of "gender equality" and all the rest of it. If you want to highlight the issue of female on male domestic violence specifically, then some silly socialite celebrity is probably not the best way to make that point, and an even worse way to make that point is to start off by referring to her as a violent cow.

People will tend to miss your point.

Haha C I actually got a chuckle (as you probably inferred from my response) when the poster complained about the use of the word cow. Terms like mysoginy (which that poster didn't use to be fair) are routinely bandies about in debates like this as a discussion ender. Can't win he debate so lob that grenade and duck (not a dig at you BTW)

Interestingly, if you look at the Ray Price thread, no one batted an eyelid at him being described as a scumbag in the op. I'll give a particular poster in this thread the benefit of the doubt and assume they just didn't get around to it... I'd actually considered using the same term for Kelly but thought cow was more restrained

So is my use if the word cow an example of mysoginy or is people picking up on it while jot being consistent in other threads an example of ingrained misandry?

tritium · 10-09-2014 01:39PM

sbsquarepants wrote: »

I've had many rows with many girlfriends over the years and sometimes been on the receiving end of a clatter or two (usually deserved too I have to say). I don't give a toss what anyone says, it is not the same thing as a man boxing a woman, no amount of political correctness will ever make it so.

Yeah it is the same thing I'm afraid. If you don't realise that then you really need to educate yourself about domestic violence.

Would it be OK for a man to slap a woman by that standard. Probably about equivalent potential for damage as a woman's punch right? What about if its a little man with a bigger girlfriend. Or is your notion purely based on romantic notions of chivalry?

Barely There · 10-09-2014 01:40PM

darced wrote: »

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Consider for a moment a man in an abusive relationship.
He's embarrassed to tell his family and friends.
He worries if he goes to the Guards they will not take him seriously.

After being physically assulted by his partner by being punched in the face without warning again one evening, he decides enough is enough - he has to tell someone.

He turns on the tv and sees Kelly and Philip chuckling away at the time she punched a guy in the face.

He collapses in a heap on the sofa sobbing.

sbsquarepants · 10-09-2014 01:40PM

green_screen wrote: »

It saddens me to see how many men say they'd happily accept her hitting them if she had sex with them too.

Men being victims of domestic violence is taboo enough as it is.

Honestly it saddens me how many so called men are so afraid of a box in the face that they wouldn't take one for a ride off Kelly Brook. It's not mike Tyson we're talking about here. Look at her for god sake, it would be like getting hit with a balloon! Then in return you get hit with 2 balloons - that's a fúcking good deal if you ask me.
Political correctness be damned - sign me up right now.

qo2cj1dsne8y4k · 10-09-2014 01:41PM

Don't think size has much to do with it. I know a girl who is well able to drop her boyfriend. She's about 5'4, and not much more than 8.5 stone (I'd guess). He's 6'1 and about 13 stone. She has no problem flooring him. Tbh I'd rather take my chances against the average man than her

Kelly brook, domestic violence and media silence

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