Women on the Inside RTÉ 1

dr.bollocko · 08-09-2014 11:03PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Looked like a holiday camp.

You should look for a new travel agent.

wiseoldelf34 · 08-09-2014 11:13PM

I have been to visit family members inside.
its not a nice place,but the people there just seem to have accepted it as their lot.
its amazing what humans can adapt to

Paulzx · 08-09-2014 11:22PM

angelj wrote: »

Some of the women look like they've lived hard lives. .

Sticking Heroin into your veins tends to do that

Aint Eazy Being Cheezy · 08-09-2014 11:32PM

Paulzx wrote: »

Sticking Heroin into your veins tends to do that

I think they meant that the hard life led them to heroin and prison.

refusetolose · 08-09-2014 11:59PM

House of Blaze wrote: »

Used to work in a solicitors office which had a number of 'clients' in the dochas centre, even a few famous ones!

Not the sort you would really be too keen to ask an autograph from though...

infamous

Strumms · 09-09-2014 12:04AM

AnonoBoy wrote: »

I suppose the main difference would be you're allowed to leave a Travelodge after a night or two though, yeah?

That's one difference. The MAIN difference is that you don't have to commit a crime to get into a Travelodge, yeah ?

Yellowblackbird · 09-09-2014 12:23AM

The Purveyor of Truth wrote: »

I wish it was among them that I did dwell.

Me? The thirteenth Duke of Wybourne? In a womans prison. At three o clock in the morning? With my reputation?
Bingo

Aint Eazy Being Cheezy · 09-09-2014 12:27AM

The Purveyor of Truth wrote: »

I wish it was among them that I did dwell.

Don't fancy yours much.

Galwayguy35 · 09-09-2014 12:55AM

Prison shouldn't be comfortable, it's for people who broke the law and while they should have basic facilities that's as far as it should go.

It costs the taxpayer at least 70 k a year to keep them in cushy conditions, save the pity for the victims of crime they're the ones who deserve it.

Dr. Zaius Dr. Zaius! · 09-09-2014 01:05AM

If ever there was a show to keep you on the straight and narrow, that was it.

I do find it hard to feel sorry for them though.

Lapin · 09-09-2014 01:35AM

House of Blaze wrote: »

A lot of parents of children taken into custody at the dochas centre are allowed bring their children in with them...

I s**t you not!

Well you do a bit.

Very few women are allowed to bring a child in with them. Its not some choice they have and is entirely at the discretion of the judge. Even then it only happens on rare occasions under limited circumstances.

Women who are pregnant at the time of sentencing and give birth as a prisoner are permited to keep their new born child with them on the inside up to one year of age.

Its no creche.

House of Blaze · 09-09-2014 01:53AM

Lapin wrote: »

Well you do a bit.

Very few women are allowed to bring a child in with them. Its not some choice they have and is entirely at the discretion of the judge. Even then it only happens on rare occasions under limited circumstances.

Women who are pregnant at the time of sentencing and give birth as a prisoner are permited to keep their new born child with them on the inside up to one year of age.

Its no creche.

This would be more typical of my own experience I must say, so I suppose I may just have seen a biased picture of what goes on.

Since my exposure to the intricacies of the centre were purely from dealing with clients as opposed to the actual processing of inmates etc. this is probably the case.

I always thought it was kind of strange though. I mean if a judge is remanding someone in custody who may or may not be a danger to society, (some definitely were) how is the need of the child served by maintaining the connection with the parent? Would the child not be better served in state care?

WilyCoyote · 09-09-2014 01:58AM

wiseoldelf34 wrote: »

did it show the scissor sisters?
legends they are.

Legends? In origami?

smellmepower · 09-09-2014 02:07AM

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

Prison shouldn't be comfortable, it's for people who broke the law and while they should have basic facilities that's as far as it should go.

It costs the taxpayer at least 70 k a year to keep them in cushy conditions, save the pity for the victims of crime they're the ones who deserve it.

What facilities shown weren't basic?the only nice part of the centre was reserved for drug free inmates who are working hard and educating themselves whilst serving their sentence,and by doing so have a better chance of not re-offending upon release.

Also not everyone serving a sentence has committed a serious crime.Some are in there for possession of drugs,or because their life is so chaotic and utterly ****e on the outside that they prefer the relative safety of prison.

dickface · 09-09-2014 02:07AM

37 and 347 convictions!
Impressive.

Lapin · 09-09-2014 02:20AM

House of Blaze wrote: »

I always thought it was kind of strange though. I mean if a judge is remanding someone in custody who may or may not be a danger to society, (some definitely were) how is the need of the child served by maintaining the connection with the parent? Would the child not be better served in state care?

Hard to discuss in a general sense as each individual case has to be examined on its own merits. But I would imagine that in all cases where a mother is permitted to bring her child in with her, the judge's decision would based on probation reports, social services approval and possible evidence suggesting that the child may actually be safer on the inside with its mother.

WilyCoyote · 09-09-2014 02:21AM

Lisha wrote: »

There has to be some way to intervene to stop the cycle of crime, addiction and hopelessness that plagues some people from the tougher sections of society .

Education has to be they key but people seem to think there is no point in trying to be better.

Lisha, I was an idealist once. Am not a cynic now ......... but I realise that a mans got to do what a man's got to do.
You've always had this alternative lifestyle ...... be it the Gin houses in London in the 1800s, the Opium dens, prostitution (from necessity), child labour, bonded servitude etc. And not always from the lower classes.
It's called life. But it took me a good few decades to understand.

WilyCoyote · 09-09-2014 02:25AM

Lapin wrote: »

Learning that wearing pyjamis in broad daylight on the outside doesn't open as many doors as it might on the inside would be a good start.

I wonder if thats where the pyjama wearing craze began. After all, there's feck all to dress up for in there.

The firsat time I heard the Expression "pyjama city" was in reference to Summerhill circa 1995

Lapin · 09-09-2014 02:43AM

WilyCoyote wrote: »

The firsat time I heard the Expression "pyjama city" was in reference to Summerhill circa 1995

Feck all to dress up for around there either.

guest2014 · 09-09-2014 02:45AM

tayto lover wrote: »

With no place of their own to stay when they get out it's only a matter of time before they are back inside. Very sad.

ya that is true, one time i got locked out of my house for a few hours, i had no where to go, by the time i got back into the house i had committed several robberies and a murder. can they not just stop breaking the law? don't make excuses for them.

Lapin · 09-09-2014 03:03AM

Guest2014

Even the simplest of minds would do well to confuse the following two states of affairs.

This one you mention -

guest2014 wrote: »

one time i got locked out of my house for a few hours,

And this one in the post you quoted -

tayto lover wrote: »

With no place of their own to stay when they get out.....

Thats the kind of strech of imagination that impresses the Daily Mail lovers around here. But most people would regard it as a lame attempt at shít stirring.

deco nate · 09-09-2014 03:38AM

Right let's just cut through the bs, so if i were to say.... Watch this on the Rte Player, would
Lube and tissues ahem... Come in handy, so to speak?!

NegativeCreep · 09-09-2014 04:59AM

No sympathy for them and the place is way too cushy to be a proper prison. Why should men and women be treated differently when it comes to prison? Why do they have television? Why did they let the alco out when they thought it was only a matter of time before she committed another crime?

I know how to break that cycle. Life (and I mean actual life, stay in prison until you die kinda life) if you accumulate 10 convictions. Any more that that and you're taking the piss.

Kermit.de.frog · 09-09-2014 05:45AM

Prison should be a frightening place to go as a deterrent. Irish prisons are not a deterrent. They should have a toilet, 2 hours a day in a stone yard and back to the cell. No tv, radio or any appliance. See how much they want to go back then.

mylefttesticle · 09-09-2014 08:56AM

Lisha wrote: »

There has to be some way to intervene to stop the cycle of crime, addiction and hopelessness that plagues some people from the tougher sections of society .

Education has to be they key but people seem to think there is no point in trying to be better.

People always say this, Education is the way! It doesn't even come into it, it goes way beyond that, in most cases its about the destruction of childhood, abuse, neglect, violent and mental abuse that leads to crime and drug abuse.

Want to stop this, find better homes for the multiple scumbags raising children.

smellmepower · 09-09-2014 11:19AM

NegativeCreep wrote: »

No sympathy for them and the place is way too cushy to be a proper prison. Why should men and women be treated differently when it comes to prison? Why do they have television? Why did they let the alco out when they thought it was only a matter of time before she committed another crime?

I know how to break that cycle. Life (and I mean actual life, stay in prison until you die kinda life) if you accumulate 10 convictions. Any more that that and you're taking the piss.

The above post is so stupid (especially the really idiotic bit I've highlighted) and full of hyperbolic, the world is black white type BS that I wouldn't bother even trying to argue against it.

AnonoBoy · 09-09-2014 01:44PM

Strumms wrote: »

That's one difference. The MAIN difference is that you don't have to commit a crime to get into a Travelodge, yeah ?

The standard of some of the rooms in Travelodges is a crime!

Hi-oh!

Askabout · 09-09-2014 02:26PM

It looked like a holiday camp, they had flat screens tvs and all and the meals looked very good, no wonder they reoffended on purpose to go back there

rosedream · 09-09-2014 03:31PM

I do get a lot of them have had pretty s**ty lives, but that is just taking the mick on how nice the prison actually is. The place looks more like apartment blocks than an actual prison!

People out there work so hard to make ends meet for them and their kids, and they wouldn't be able to get half the luxuries that some prisoners get in there.

Maybe for serious crimes and re-offenders who would commit a crime on purpose just to come back in, they should have a tougher prison system.

Askabout · 09-09-2014 03:32PM

I agree rosedream, I was shocked at how easy life is for them in there.

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