Women on the Inside RTÉ 1

Lapin

The focus is on the Dochas.

The female prison. Looks like a fairly cushty set up compared to its next door neighbour, Mountjoy.

Some sad and seriously fúcked up cases in there though.

Any of the regular women here in After Hours know them having spent time there?

House of Blaze

Used to work in a solicitors office which had a number of 'clients' in the dochas centre, even a few famous ones!

Not the sort you would really be too keen to ask an autograph from though...

wiseoldelf34

did it show the scissor sisters?
legends they are.

Lisha

There has to be some way to intervene to stop the cycle of crime, addiction and hopelessness that plagues some people from the tougher sections of society .

Education has to be they key but people seem to think there is no point in trying to be better.

kneemos

Looks nothing like the video's I've seen of women in prison.

Lapin

House of Blaze wrote: »

Not the sort you would really be too keen to ask an autograph from though...

Or how about two autographs on the one page and asking to borrow a scissors to seperate them.

Samsgirl

Am v surprised the lady driving the new baby back to the Dochas centre put the baby seat in wrong!!!

Lapin

Lisha wrote: »

Education has to be they key but people seem to think there is no point in trying to be better.

Learning that wearing pyjamis in broad daylight on the outside doesn't open as many doors as it might on the inside would be a good start.

I wonder if thats where the pyjama wearing craze began. After all, there's feck all to dress up for in there.

the groutch

wiseoldelf34 wrote: »

did it show the scissor sisters?
legends they are.

not really my kinda music

Nib

Looks fairly cushy compared to the conditions in Mountjoy.

Gender equality my arse.

Hitchens

no sign of the BW yet

wiseoldelf34

the groutch wrote: »

not really my kinda music

don't feel like dancing eh?

Lapin

Nib wrote: »

Looks fairly cushy compared to the conditions in Mountjoy.

Gender equality my arse.

You have to get banged up with the Munster women down in Limerick for that.

The Purveyor of Truth

I wish it was among them that I did dwell.

stargazer 68

Not quite 'orange is the new black ' !

Lisha

Lapin wrote: »

Learning that wearing pyjamis in broad daylight on the outside doesn't open as many doors as it might on the inside would be a good start.

I wonder if thats where the pyjama wearing craze began. After all, there's feck all to dress up for in there.

I agree that these women can be their own worst enemy but It's just so sad.
They don't believe themselves that they deserve better.

Lapin

Bad and all as Limerick is, at least the rooms have tea and coffee making facilities.

Lisha

Ah jaysis.

eviltwin

What are they in for?

Strumms

Jeez I've stayed in worse Travelodges then that and some.

Hitchens

what a life, ffs

McGrath5

Ans then upon release your one collects her dole and buys a nagging of Jameson straight away, sad.

kneemos

eviltwin wrote: »

What are they in for?

The robbin and the fightin.

tayto lover

With no place of their own to stay when they get out it's only a matter of time before they are back inside. Very sad.

wiseoldelf34

are the feloni girls still in there??

Tail Docker

The noise. The endless, screeching noise. Just.shut.the.fcuk.up. I pity the Guards..

dr.bollocko

Tail Docker wrote: »

The noise. The endless, screeching noise. Just.shut.the.fcuk.up. I pity the Guards..

Are you in there right now?

angelj

It's pretty depressing isn't it? Some of the women look like they've lived hard lives. I feel sorry for the children of prisoners who don't have their mums at home each day. That must have an impact on the subsequent generation..

AnonoBoy

Strumms wrote: »

Jeez I've stayed in worse Travelodges then that and some.

I suppose the main difference would be you're allowed to leave a Travelodge after a night or two though, yeah?

House of Blaze

angelj wrote: »

It's pretty depressing isn't it? Some of the women look like they've lived hard lives. I feel sorry for the children of prisoners who don't have their mums at home each day. That must have an impact on the subsequent generation..

A lot of parents of children taken into custody at the dochas centre are allowed bring their children in with them...

I s**t you not!

Kermit.de.frog

Looked like a holiday camp.

dr.bollocko

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Looked like a holiday camp.

You should look for a new travel agent.

wiseoldelf34

I have been to visit family members inside.
its not a nice place,but the people there just seem to have accepted it as their lot.
its amazing what humans can adapt to

Paulzx

angelj wrote: »

Some of the women look like they've lived hard lives. .

Sticking Heroin into your veins tends to do that

Aint Eazy Being Cheezy

Paulzx wrote: »

Sticking Heroin into your veins tends to do that

I think they meant that the hard life led them to heroin and prison.

refusetolose

House of Blaze wrote: »

Used to work in a solicitors office which had a number of 'clients' in the dochas centre, even a few famous ones!

Not the sort you would really be too keen to ask an autograph from though...

infamous

Strumms

AnonoBoy wrote: »

I suppose the main difference would be you're allowed to leave a Travelodge after a night or two though, yeah?

That's one difference. The MAIN difference is that you don't have to commit a crime to get into a Travelodge, yeah ?

Yellowblackbird

The Purveyor of Truth wrote: »

I wish it was among them that I did dwell.

Me? The thirteenth Duke of Wybourne? In a womans prison. At three o clock in the morning? With my reputation?
Bingo

Aint Eazy Being Cheezy

The Purveyor of Truth wrote: »

I wish it was among them that I did dwell.

Don't fancy yours much.

Galwayguy35

Prison shouldn't be comfortable, it's for people who broke the law and while they should have basic facilities that's as far as it should go.

It costs the taxpayer at least 70 k a year to keep them in cushy conditions, save the pity for the victims of crime they're the ones who deserve it.

Dr. Zaius Dr. Zaius!

If ever there was a show to keep you on the straight and narrow, that was it.

I do find it hard to feel sorry for them though.

Lapin

House of Blaze wrote: »

A lot of parents of children taken into custody at the dochas centre are allowed bring their children in with them...

I s**t you not!

Well you do a bit.

Very few women are allowed to bring a child in with them. Its not some choice they have and is entirely at the discretion of the judge. Even then it only happens on rare occasions under limited circumstances.

Women who are pregnant at the time of sentencing and give birth as a prisoner are permited to keep their new born child with them on the inside up to one year of age.

Its no creche.

House of Blaze

Lapin wrote: »

Well you do a bit.

Very few women are allowed to bring a child in with them. Its not some choice they have and is entirely at the discretion of the judge. Even then it only happens on rare occasions under limited circumstances.

Women who are pregnant at the time of sentencing and give birth as a prisoner are permited to keep their new born child with them on the inside up to one year of age.

Its no creche.

This would be more typical of my own experience I must say, so I suppose I may just have seen a biased picture of what goes on.

Since my exposure to the intricacies of the centre were purely from dealing with clients as opposed to the actual processing of inmates etc. this is probably the case.

I always thought it was kind of strange though. I mean if a judge is remanding someone in custody who may or may not be a danger to society, (some definitely were) how is the need of the child served by maintaining the connection with the parent? Would the child not be better served in state care?

WilyCoyote

wiseoldelf34 wrote: »

did it show the scissor sisters?
legends they are.

Legends? In origami?

smellmepower

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

Prison shouldn't be comfortable, it's for people who broke the law and while they should have basic facilities that's as far as it should go.

It costs the taxpayer at least 70 k a year to keep them in cushy conditions, save the pity for the victims of crime they're the ones who deserve it.

What facilities shown weren't basic?the only nice part of the centre was reserved for drug free inmates who are working hard and educating themselves whilst serving their sentence,and by doing so have a better chance of not re-offending upon release.

Also not everyone serving a sentence has committed a serious crime.Some are in there for possession of drugs,or because their life is so chaotic and utterly ****e on the outside that they prefer the relative safety of prison.

dickface

37 and 347 convictions!
Impressive.

Lapin

House of Blaze wrote: »

I always thought it was kind of strange though. I mean if a judge is remanding someone in custody who may or may not be a danger to society, (some definitely were) how is the need of the child served by maintaining the connection with the parent? Would the child not be better served in state care?

Hard to discuss in a general sense as each individual case has to be examined on its own merits. But I would imagine that in all cases where a mother is permitted to bring her child in with her, the judge's decision would based on probation reports, social services approval and possible evidence suggesting that the child may actually be safer on the inside with its mother.

WilyCoyote

Lisha wrote: »

There has to be some way to intervene to stop the cycle of crime, addiction and hopelessness that plagues some people from the tougher sections of society .

Education has to be they key but people seem to think there is no point in trying to be better.

Lisha, I was an idealist once. Am not a cynic now ......... but I realise that a mans got to do what a man's got to do.
You've always had this alternative lifestyle ...... be it the Gin houses in London in the 1800s, the Opium dens, prostitution (from necessity), child labour, bonded servitude etc. And not always from the lower classes.
It's called life. But it took me a good few decades to understand.

WilyCoyote

Lapin wrote: »

Learning that wearing pyjamis in broad daylight on the outside doesn't open as many doors as it might on the inside would be a good start.

I wonder if thats where the pyjama wearing craze began. After all, there's feck all to dress up for in there.

The firsat time I heard the Expression "pyjama city" was in reference to Summerhill circa 1995

Lapin

WilyCoyote wrote: »

The firsat time I heard the Expression "pyjama city" was in reference to Summerhill circa 1995

Feck all to dress up for around there either.

guest2014

tayto lover wrote: »

With no place of their own to stay when they get out it's only a matter of time before they are back inside. Very sad.

ya that is true, one time i got locked out of my house for a few hours, i had no where to go, by the time i got back into the house i had committed several robberies and a murder. can they not just stop breaking the law? don't make excuses for them.